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    R1B-U152-Z56 Phylogenetic tree

    Hey Moderators


    Is it okay if you guys can start a Z56 phylogenetic tree please? ;)

    As familytreedna progress through our ydna reasearch, we get more detailed results; same is the case for Ydna U152-Z56. It appears that some subclades; like my Ydna BY3957 and itís ancestors were already established in the British Isles; or at least in Northern France around the same time the Italic tribes took over Italy; specifically R1B-Z71 subclades.
    Paradoxingly, no one in Pre-Roman Britain has tested positive for R1B-Z56 as of yet.

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    Source for quote: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...shtml#S28-U152
    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    R1b-U152 would have entered Italy in successive waves from the northern side of the Alps, starting in 1700 BCE with the establishment of the Terramare culture in the Po Valley. From 1200 BCE, a larger group of Hallstatt-derived tribes founded the Villanova culture (see below). This is probably the migration that brought the Italic-speaking tribes to Italy, who would have belonged mainly the Z56 clade of R1b-U152.


    As you can see below, Z71 is concentrated in the United Kingdom and therefore itís unlikely that Ydna R1B-Z71 was solely descended from Italic tribes; I also posted a picture of Eupediaís current U152 phylogenetic tree on the bottom of this paragraph. I also included multiple posts to organize R1B-Z71ís different subclades for the Moderatorís convenience.
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    Question:
    - Could the British R1B-Z71 community be directly descended from the LaTene Culture instead?
    Roman Auxiliaries or Iron-Age migrants from Hallstatt Culture perhaps?

    - Were there some R1B-Z71 subclades that appear uprooted from Roman-Italia into Britannia?

    - Are the German and French R1B-Z71 community descended from Italic Tribes or Gaulish LaTene Tribes?


    R-Z145/Z71 grand total

    56 United Kingdom, 15 Italy, 4 Germany, 4 France, 2 Italo-Roman Samples,
    9 United States/Latin America/Australia


    R-Z145/Z71ís age corresponds to about 1800 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2491 and 1253 BCE.

    Thanks so much in advanced

    PS: I felt like I was singing the 12 days of Christmas posting these, lol. Kudos to Maciamo for all of the hard work for the past 20 years.




    Last edited by Twilight; 11-09-22 at 03:04.

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    15/32 British, 5/32 German, 9/64 Irish, 1/8 Scots Gaelic, 5/64 French, 1/32 Welsh
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    R-Z145; aka Z71ís age corresponds to about 1800 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2491 and 1253 BCE.
    Sources: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-Z145/story
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z145/
    R-BY204154; descended from R-Z145/Z71

    1 Dominican Republic, 1 Scotland


    R-BY204154ís age corresponds to about 1000 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2571 BCE and 60 CE.



    R-BY1823; descended from R-Z145/Z71

    55 United Kingdom, 15 Italy, 6 United States, 4 Germany, 4 France, 2 Italo-Roman Samples, 1 Columbia, 1 Australia


    R-BY1823ís age corresponds to about 1500 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2133 and 982 BCE.




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    R-BY1823ís age corresponds to about 1500 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2133 and 982 BCE.
    Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY1823/story



    R-BY3951; descended from R-BY1823

    9 Italy, 6 England, 2 France, 1 Scotland, 1 Germany


    R-BY3951ís age corresponds to about 1400 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2221 and 733 BCE.


    R-PH2982; descended from R-BY1823

    2 Ancient remains from Roma, Italy according to Yfull; one dated between (550 BC-150 BC) and another from (450 AD-650 AD)
    Source: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH2982/



    R-BY28794; descended from R-BY1823

    48 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 6 Italy, 6 United States, 3 Germany, 2 France, 1 Columbia, 1 Australia

    R-BY28794ís age corresponds to about 1500 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2077 and 923 BCE.






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    R-BY28794Ďs age corresponds to about 1500 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2077 and 923 BCE.Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y...-BY28794/story

    R-BY41133; descended from R-BY28794

    3 England, 2 France, 1 Italy, 1 Netherlands, 1 United States


    R-BY41133ís agecorresponds to about 1100 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2030 and 385 BCE.


    R-FT200181; descended from R-BY28794

    2 Italy


    R-FT200181ís age corresponds to about 150 CE with a 95% probability he was born between 978 BCE and 922 CE.


    R-PF6582; descended from R-BY28794

    45 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 6 United States, 4 Italy, 3 Germany, 2 France, 1 Columbia, 1 Australia


    R-PF6582ís age corresponds to about 1300 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1914 and 791 BCE.








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    R-PF6582ís age corresponds to about 1300 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1914 and 791 BCE.
    Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-PF6582/story

    R-FT175546; descended from R-PF6582

    2 United States, 1 Italy


    R-FT175546ís age corresponds to about 1200 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2484 and 229 BCE.


    R-PF6577; descended from R-PF6582



    45 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 4 United States, 3 Italy, 3 Germany, 2 France, 1 Columbia, 1 Australia.


    R-PF6577ís age corresponds to about 1100 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1684 and 621 BCE.





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    15/32 British, 5/32 German, 9/64 Irish, 1/8 Scots Gaelic, 5/64 French, 1/32 Welsh
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    R-PF6577ís age corresponds to about 1100 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1684 and 621 BCE.Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-PF6577/story
    R-FT303192; descended from R-PF6577


    1 United Kingdom, 1 Italy


    R-FT303192ís age corresponds to about 900 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2064 and 34 BCE.


    R-FGC39850; descended from R-PF6577


    2 Italy, 1 United States

    R-FT303192ís age corresponds to about 800 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1843 BCE and 28 CE.


    R-BY82038; descended from R-PF6577

    2 France, 1 Germany, 1 Australia, 1 United States


    R-BY82038ís age corresponds to about 1100 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2083 and 302 BCE.


    R-BY3953; descended from R-PF6577

    44 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 3 Swiss, 2 Germany, 2 United States, 1 Columbia


    R-BY3953ís age corresponds to about 1000 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1542 and 498 BCE.









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    R-BY3953ís age corresponds to about 1000 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1542 and 498 BCE.
    Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-BY3953/storyR-Y39092; descended from R-BY3953:

    3 England, 2 American


    R-Y39092ís age corresponds to about 850 CE with a 95% probability he was born between 287 and 1240 CE.

    R-BY109876; descended from R-BY3953

    5 England


    R-BY109876ís age corresponds to about 1500 CE with a 95% probability he was born between 1242 and 1659 C


    R-FTA87063; descended from R-BY3953

    2 Swiss

    R-FTA87063ís age corresponds to about 1800 CE with a 95% probability he was born between 1692 and 1941 CE.


    R-BY77185; descended from R-BY3953

    1 Columbia, 1 German


    R-BY77185ís age corresponds to about 700 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2148 BCE and 356 CE.


    R-FGC36897; descended from R-BY3953

    36 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 1 Italian, 1 Swiss, 1 German


    R-FGC36897ís age corresponds to about 900 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1442 and 406 BCE.










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    R-FGC36897

    36 United Kingdom, 6 Eastern European Jew, 1 Italian, 1 Swiss, 1 German

    R-FGC36897ís age corresponds to about 900 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1442 and 406 BCE.

    Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y...FGC36897/story




    






    R1B-FGC36903 Subclades; descended from

    R-FGC36897

    Source: https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-FGC36903/story

    R-FGC48672: Exclusively United Kingdom; 34 testers

    FGC48672ís age corresponds to about 750 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1312 and 291 BCE.


    R-BY187690: Eastern European Jews; 6 testers

    R-FGC48672ís age
    corresponds to about 100 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 858 BCE and 448 CE.




    R1B-FGC36903ís minor subclades


    R-A14978: 1 Brazilian-Italian and 1 German

    A14978ís age corresponds to about 500 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1637 BCE and 367 CE.



    R-BY39237 1 Scotland and 1 Swiss

    BY39237ís age corresponds to about 650 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 1961 BCE and 324 CE.
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    R-BY205549; descended from FGC36897:

    1 England, 1 Germany
    R-BY205549ís age corresponds to about 600 BCE with a 95% probability he was born between 2010 BCE and 402 CE.









    Last edited by Twilight; 11-09-22 at 01:58.

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