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    Huge genetic changes in Albanians ?

    Claims there was a huge genetic change in Albanians https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...o-Balkan-times , and that we are only minimal Illyrian apparently . Claims no Balkanites are more than 50% Illyrian.

    Bronze / IA Balkans:

    Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16251
    1.07484410 Albanians_Montenegro
    1.07831303 Albanian_Kosovo
    1.14188940 Albanian_north

    1.14271966 GR_Thesalloniki
    1.17530993 Albanian_south
    1.20025960 IT_Friuli
    1.22644462 GR_Thrace
    1.24474885 IT_Marche
    1.26894943 GR_Central
    1.27190658 GR_Macedonia

    Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_1d.rel.I16256_I17633
    2.17016013 Albanian_Kosovo
    2.17512344 IT_Ladinia
    2.18195216 Albanians_Montenegro

    2.18261172 IT_Veneto
    2.20123659 IT_Trentino
    2.20877324 IT_Piedmont
    2.24590834 Moldova_sud
    2.24797207 Albanian_north
    2.26309665 IT_Friuli
    2.28406401 Tirol

    Distance to: HRV_IA_I3313
    1.41428962 IT_Veneto
    1.51111193 IT_Aosta
    1.53241280 Albanian_Kosovo
    1.53417027 Albanian_north
    1.53700296 IT_Friuli
    1.55188512 IT_Piedmont
    1.58708565 Albanians_Montenegro
    1.61639078 Albanians_FYROM
    1.62339206 IT_Lombardia
    1.64073982 IT_Trentino

    Distance to: HRV_Cetina_BA:I11843
    0.02479983 Albanian

    Distance to: MKD_BA:I7231
    0.02721903 Albanian



    Even PostMDV range from Italian to Albanian like:

    Distance to: ALB_PostMdv_I15707
    1.29778409 IT_Toscania
    1.32981445 IT_Lazio

    1.33616391 IT_Lombardia
    1.34786390 IT_Marche
    1.39457615 Albanian_south
    1.40270779 IT_Emilia-Romagna
    1.41089991 FR_Corsica
    1.43074119 Albanians_FYROM
    1.45119799 Albanian_north
    1.48041752 IT_Umbria

    Distance to: ALB_PostMdv_I15707
    1.29778409 IT_Toscania
    1.32981445 IT_Lazio
    1.33616391 IT_Lombardia
    1.34786390 IT_Marche
    1.39457615 Albanian_south
    1.40270779 IT_Emilia-Romagna
    1.41089991 FR_Corsica
    1.43074119 Albanians_FYROM
    1.45119799 Albanian_north
    1.48041752 IT_Umbria
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    Basically cherrypicks one ancient sample and one postMDV sample and creates a thread to make it appear as huge but even the difference between those samples she picked isn't even that huge

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1337_ View Post
    This person is probably one of the most stupid people I have ever seen on the internet and jealous claims so much dum stuff about history and genetics.

    who is this person or do you suffer from gender equality issues ?
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    who is this person or do you suffer from gender equality issues ?
    The person in the link I posted , the OP in that link. Croatian member, incredibly butthurt person . Claimed on TA as ''Intelligent'' , they have even given her 11 thumbs up , I consider this person to be an idiot.

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    CommonSense Said:

    There's no room for speculation anymore, now that these samples have been analyzed and published. Both genetic and linguistic evidence place the ethnogenesis of the Albanians somewhere in the central-eastern part of the Balkans.
    Nope. Not based on any genetic or linguistic evidence. In fact Thracian/Dacian language does not even match Albanian. EV-13 must of acquired a huge bottle neck effect to of been spread unless you're saying all EV-13 in the Balkans came from Dacian/Thracian. This still does not mean it eas Proto-Albanian
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    We have 4 Illyrians with EV-13 so the premise is wrong to begin with.

    These people are sick in the head. No point in dealing with them. The authors of the paper themselves stated Albanians have largely remained static since the Middle Bronze Age (which surprise, surprise is when the Illyrians invaded the Balkans).

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    We have 4 Illyrians with EV-13 so the premise is wrong to begin with.

    These people are sick in the head. No point in dealing with them. The authors of the paper themselves stated Albanians have largely remained static since the Middle Bronze Age (which surprise, surprise is when the Illyrians invaded the Balkans).
    She (the OP in the link) is a loser who is jealous of our Illyrian origin.

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    There is not a single genetic evidence that shows Albanians have only less 50% IA Albania. Those are just calculators that model you etc. These samples match Albanians actually pretty well. She's also using some Thracian samples in her calculators which puts the Illyrian down basically since these Thracians cluster like Italians for example or close also. But this idiot actually thinks these calculators can actually even tell genetically similar populations apart.

    Even Albanian female members called her out for it:

    Posted by Ylla:

    The autosomal results don’t show any change, let alone a ‘huge change’. EV13 was the most successful and selected paternal lineage, that’s all I can tell if anything at all. And cultures mixed, for example the Dardanians were an Illyrian-Thracian hybrid which shows paternally in Kosovo Albanians, but they identified as Illyrian. So EV13 carriers automatically not being Illyrian is just a silly conclusion to jump to. It’s much more complex than that. It’s like saying South Slavs are now not Slavs because they are not 100%?
    It’s about carrying their legacy.

    Edit: I only saw the Italian_Tuscany population which Albanians overlap with but even so it’s not as SW shifted as the Croatian Illyrian. It is equidistant between a Spaniard and a modern Albanian for example. Interesting.



    we are mostly Illyrian, you are just butthurt and jealous.

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    Same idiot who claimed Romans genetically changed the Balkans . claimed in some of her posts Albanians are like 30%-40% Slavic

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    MyTrue Ancestry Albanian results I found:


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    Some more Albanian results




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    Distance to: HRV_Cetina_BA_1d.rel.I19027.possible.1d.rel.I19020 _I19022
    2.57576725 IT_Umbria
    2.67594621 GR_Thessaly
    2.67975328 GR_Cyclades
    2.68626073 IT_Toscania
    2.68846434 IT_Marche
    2.69212259 IT_Lazio
    2.72573609 IT_Molise
    2.73259056 IT_Apulia
    2.74776161 IT_Emilia-Romagna
    2.75208103 GR_Peloponese

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    Claims huge genetic change, claims all these samples cluster like South-Western Euros, while many do, many also actually don't.

    Distance to: ALB_cinamak_EBA_I14689
    2.26200081 Abazin
    2.27705781 Nogai_Dagestan
    2.42679020 Kumyk
    2.50643175 Cirkassian
    2.50839349 Kabardin
    2.54580501 Tabassaran
    2.57755846 Avar
    2.58018007 Kaitag
    2.59597530 Lezgin
    2.69214487 Tsakhur

    Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16254
    1.38996490 IT_Emilia-Romagna
    1.40692595 IT_Toscania
    1.45480085 IT_Marche
    1.47499639 IT_Lazio
    1.48542944 Albanian_south
    1.49398528 Albanian_north
    1.51249405 IT_Molise
    1.51453737 FR_Corsica
    1.53371901 Albanian_Kosovo
    1.54069327 GR_Ipeiros


    Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16253
    1.57707919 IT_Lombardia
    1.60222133 IT_Toscania
    1.69901036 IT_Emilia-Romagna
    1.70666551 Albanians_FYROM
    1.79720556 Albanian_south
    1.82056761 Albanian_north

    1.84134941 IT_Trentino
    1.86122534 GR_Ipeiros
    1.86669777 FR_Corsica
    1.87879243 Albanian_Kosovo

    Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I16251
    1.07484410 Albanians_Montenegro
    1.07831303 Albanian_Kosovo
    1.14188940 Albanian_north
    1.14271966 GR_Thesalloniki
    1.17530993 Albanian_south

    1.20025960 IT_Friuli
    1.22644462 GR_Thrace
    1.24474885 IT_Marche
    1.26894943 GR_Central
    1.27190658 GR_Macedonia

    Distance to: ALB_cinamak_Anc_I14692
    1.29229025 IT_Toscania
    1.29838966 IT_Emilia-Romagna
    1.33822026 IT_Liguria
    1.43573303 IT_Lombardia
    1.45826258 GR_Ipeiros
    1.50588238 FR_Corsica
    1.51392313 Swiss_Italian
    1.52106062 IT_Trentino
    1.53061001 Albanian_Kosovo
    1.54144663 IT_Marche

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    Quote Originally Posted by enter_tain View Post
    We have 4 Illyrians with EV-13 so the premise is wrong to begin with.

    These people are sick in the head. No point in dealing with them. The authors of the paper themselves stated Albanians have largely remained static since the Middle Bronze Age (which surprise, surprise is when the Illyrians invaded the Balkans).
    No we don't.

    We have single Illyrian V13. And we have 3 Roman era samples. For the earliest of them a case might be made for an Illyrian origin.

    For the others, they are not Illyrian as Illyrians as an identifiable separate group of people no longer existed in those areas where the samples are from.

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    She even literally god banned from Anthrogenica . This person I can hands down say is probably the most mentally challenged person I have ever seen. I have never in my life ever learned anything from this idiot be it about history or genetics. I have never seen this person actually post factual evidence for some of the things she claims. It's also pseudo science, pseudo history etc. All her sources regarding history are also all pretty much from wikipedia. Just some mentally unstable person who larps and larps all day long , people actually give this idiot 11 thumbs up for her cherry picked samples

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