And where I would pass as native?
Thank you in advance.
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And where I would pass as native?
Thank you in advance.
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Estonian
or
Latvian
Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155
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Thank you for the answer. What do you think my phenotype is?
One Reddit user said that I am a nordomed; atlatomed+keltic+mediterranid. Another one said atlatomed+keltic residual. The other said that I am a mix between alpine-dinaric and some british/atlantic phenotype.
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some are mixing anthropologic types with ethnic+geographic terms.
I have no time, but I wonder where someone could find 'alpin' type evident input?!?
You look exactly like what you are, Iberian and Italian mixed.
You have (central southern European) Mediterranean and (North Western European) Celtic physical attributes.
Do I look more italian or more iberian?
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You look like Lionel Messi with a beard.
As a whole you could pass in Western Europe more easily than in Eastern Europe, but without any total exclusion;
rather France, Belgium (more than Britain), Iberia (for me more than Italia as a whole).
Let's play now: concerning typology, you seem dolichocephalic and rather leptoprosope but not the most extreme long faced type; your beard is a problem concerning your jaw and chin. I would risk a long ovale face (some reasonable breadth of cheekbones) what evokes more 'mediter' than 'nordic', roughly said; Not the gentle 'small mediter': your frontal is too inclined, not too bread, face too long.
: some 'brünnlike' or better 'capellidlike' old influence (for the shape, don't search a direct heritage) I see also in the 'irano-afghan' type which could also explain the differences between the 'viril mediter' and the 'small mediter': maybe a modification mediated by the SouthCaucasus input in Anatolia and N-E rather late (BA) but the same crossing could have found place in Western Europe at Neolithic, except for the nose, I think.
Dolicho allover dominance doesn't signify pure type: BI your nostrils shapes show what I suppose to be a crossing
between a short and a long nose elements (broken line of the nostril).
Concerning N-W Europe, your lips are not is the mean: thick, and more typically, the seemingly high ratio inferior/superior lip is rather a 'mediter' trait. Very broadly said, 'mediter(s)' (more) and 'nordic' (? - very less), no 'alpin' no 'dinaric'.
All this is a game based on 'typology' badly applied to pics insufficient concerning all the angles.
Considering that Messi is of mixed Italian and Iberian ancestry, you could be a typical phenotype of mixed Italian and Iberian as Jovialis said.
Messi is more Northern and Central Italian than Catalan, but whatever. The only Iberian (Catalan) trait I can see in Messi is perhaps the fact that his eyes are pretty close set.
He has a picture of his mother's face tattooed on his shoulder; I always liked him, but now I like him more.
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I am mostly northern italian and western iberian (portuguese). Angela, do you think I look more italian or iberian?
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I think I look more my father, who is 5/8 Veneto (Rovigo, Treviso, Padova, Verona, Veneza) 2/8 south Tuscan (Siena and Livorno) and 1/8 Lombard (Mantova). Bellow there is one photo of him and mom sat and my cousin standing and the others are me (the last one without beard).
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Two more photos
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What I see is face shape your father, and perhaps mouth, but eyes and pigmentation your mother, and also probably nose. Like most children you took some traits from each one.
Just recently a Lombard posted on this thread and looked a lot like you. On the other hand, I'm sure there are Iberians who look like you. I saw a good number in Catalonia.
Here's the Southern Italian pigmentation version, more or less, in a Neapolitan actor, Antonio Folletto
Pigmentation can be very deceiving; the "tells" are the head and face shape and the features.
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Hi HYGILI4K.
I think you are very Italian and your features remind me of those descended from Veneto immigrants. IMO, You would be fine in any country in central or northeastern Europe. Perhaps to a lesser extent in northeastern Spain. Yes, the beard hides some traits a bit. I no longer wear a beard, although I like the style, and I think that makes me look more Portuguese than ever (‘Portuguese like’). I am very similar to my father and my uncles. I don't see in myself traits from people of Northeast Europe like I see in you.
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Last edited by Duarte; 24-11-22 at 20:05. Reason: Changed the last photo of the post (was me without beard) by another one pic of me with beard taken in the same place of the others five posted here.
Thank you very much Angela and Duarte! Duarte, my compatriot, are your ancestors from North Portugal? Mine are from Castelo Branco.
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