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    Yamnaya may have been the world’s earliest known horseback riders.


    The Yamnaya may have been the world’s earliest known horseback riders
    Excavated human skeletons indicate that the Yamnaya rode horses around 5,000 years ago




    WASHINGTON — The tale of the first horseback riders may be written on the bones of the ancient Yamnaya people.

    Five excavated skeletons dated to about 3000 to 2500 B.C. show clear signs of physical stress that hint these Yamnaya individuals may have frequently ridden horses, researchers reported March 3 at the American Association for the Advancement of Science Annual Meeting and in Science Advances. That makes the Yamnaya the earliest humans identified as likely horseback riders so far.





    In many ways, [the Yamnaya] changed the history of Eurasia,” says archaeologist Volker Heyd of the University of Helsinki.

    Horse domestication became widely established around 3500 B.C., probably for milk and meat (SN: 7/6/17). Some researchers have suggested the Botai people in modern-day Kazakhstan started riding horses during that time, but that’s debated (SN: 3/5/09). The Yamnaya had horses as well, and archaeologists have speculated that the people probably rode them, but evidence was lacking.

    But the oldest known depictions of horseback riding are from about 2000 B.C. Complicating efforts to determine when the behavior emerged, possible riding gear would have been made of long-decayed natural materials, and scientists rarely, if ever, find complete horse skeletons from that time.


    Heyd and colleagues weren’t seeking evidence of horsemanship. They were working on a massive project called the Yamnaya Impact on Prehistoric Europe to understand every aspect of the people’s lives.

    While assessing over 200 human skeletons excavated from countries including Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary, bioanthropologist Martin Trautmann noticed that one individual’s bones carried distinct traits on the femur and elsewhere that he’d seen before. He immediately suspected horseback riding.

    “It was just kind of a surprise,” says Trautmann, also of the University of Helsinki.

    If it were a one-off case, he says he would have dismissed it. But as he continued analyzing skeletons, he noticed that several had the same traits.

    Trautmann, Heyd and colleagues assessed all the skeletons for the presence of six physical signs of horseback riding that have been documented in previous research, a constellation of traits dubbed horsemanship syndrome. These signs included pelvis and femur marks that could have come from the biomechanical stress of sitting with spread legs while holding onto a horse, as well as healed vertebrae damage from injuries that could have come from falling off. The team also created a scoring system to account for the skeletal traits’ severity, preservation and relative importance.

    “Bones are living tissue,” Trautmann says. “So they react to any type of environmental stimulus.”

    The team deemed five Yamnaya male individuals as frequent horseback riders because they had four or more signs of horsemanship. Nine other Yamnaya males probably rode horses, but the researchers were less confident because the skeletons each displayed only three markers.

    A Przewalski’s horse (shown) is similar in appearance, color and size to the kind of horse the Yamnaya may have ridden.
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    “Hypothetically speaking, it’s very logical,” says bioarchaeologist Maria Mednikova of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow, who was not involved in the new study. The Yamnaya were very close to horses, she says, so at some point, they probably experimented with riding.

    She now plans to check for the horse-riding traits in the Yamnaya skeletons she has access to. “The human skeletal system is like a book — if you have some knowledge, you can read it,” Mednikova says.

    Archaeologist Ursula Brosseder, who also was not involved in the work, warns not to interpret this finding as equestrianism reaching its full bloom within the Yamnaya culture. Brosseder, formerly of the University of Bonn in Germany, sees the paper’s discovery as humans still figuring out what they could do with horses as part of early domestication.

    As for Heyd, he says he has long suspected that the Yamnaya rode horses, considering that they had the animals and expanded so rapidly across such a large area. “Now, we have proof.”
    https://www.sciencenews.org/article/...rseback-riders

    First bioanthropological evidence for Yamnaya horsemanship
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    The origins of horseback riding remain elusive. Scientific studies show that horses were kept for their milk ~3500 to 3000 BCE, widely accepted as indicating domestication. However, this does not confirm them to be ridden. Equipment used by early riders is rarely preserved, and the reliability of equine dental and mandibular pathologies remains contested. However, horsemanship has two interacting components: the horse as mount and the human as rider. Alterations associated with riding in human skeletons therefore possibly provide the best source of information. Here, we report five Yamnaya individuals well-dated to 3021 to 2501 calibrated BCE from kurgans in Romania, Bulgaria, and Hungary, displaying changes in bone morphology and distinct pathologies associated with horseback riding. These are the oldest humans identified as riders so far.


    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.ade2451
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    The pre-Yamnaya sample in this study from Romania (032), which was confirmed to have the horse riding traits, predates the Yamnaya by 300 years. Horseback riding was likely to be an established practice in the region prior to the arrival of the Yamnaya.

    Table 1. List of individuals with possible “horsemanship syndrome” displaying at least three of the six diagnostic traits.

    032 RO Blejoi (Prahova District, Romania) 2016, mound III, grave 3 95% m 25–35 years Pre-Yamnaya (DeA-8814) 4437 ± 34 before the present (B.P.), 3331–2927 calBCE 7

    034 RO Blejoi (Prahova District, Romania), mound III, grave 5 100% m 25–35 years Pre-Yamnaya (DeA-8815) 4452 ± 33 B.P., 3338–2939 calBCE 5

    064 RO Strejnicu (Prahova District, Romania) 2011, mound I, grave 3 95% m 30–40 years Yamnaya (Hd-30719) 4106 ± 38 B.P., 2869–2501 calBCE (BRAMS-3586) 4190 ± 28 B.P., 2891–2669 calBCE 12
    While we imagine that horsemanship was possibly widespread in the steppes by this time (43), our sample demonstrates that the practice may not always show up reliably in all traits, which is to be expected because of the aforementioned varying influences. This prevents us from securely quantifying horse riding in steppe societies of the third and second millennium BCE. However, having five plausible Yamnaya cases from three different countries in southeast Europe, spanning the near entire duration of Yamnaya culture in these regions, may well speak for a wider practice.
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    But the oldest known depictions of horseback riding are from about 2000 B.C.
    Is it a joke?!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moja View Post
    Is it a joke?!
    My kid could draw that. Seriously, though, the date of that cave painting is debated. Some date it to 1000 B.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamakore View Post
    My kid could draw that. Seriously, though, the date of that cave painting is debated. Some date it to 1000 B.C.
    It doesn't matter what some people guess, almost all reliable sources say it is from about 10,000 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moja View Post
    Yes, it is a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moja View Post
    It doesn't matter what some people guess, almost all reliable sources say it is from about 10,000 years ago.
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    That's obviously a garbage source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johen View Post
    Yes, it is a joke.
    Animal Domestication in the Zagros from 11,000 years ago is not a joke.

    https://www.persee.fr/doc/mom_1955-4..._act_49_1_2709

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moja View Post
    Animal Domestication in the Zagros from 11,000 years ago is not a joke.
    https://www.persee.fr/doc/mom_1955-4..._act_49_1_2709
    Smart people domesticated animals for meat by capturing baby animals hidden in bushes. However, horse is totally different. It is nothing but a killer.
    So human needs a break(cheek pieces) and balancing power (spurs) during riding.
    I posted one petroglyph of people to mount on chariot horse. I think that is a process. People always think that modern american did, so ancient people did.


    As I quoted several times, Kuzmina said that horse domestication at bronze age was done for meat. Considering Okunevo petroglyph and seima turbino artifact, human at bronze age was not a horse rider.

    But it is ok for yamna people to be horse-rider. Then I want to ask a question: what did they do by horse-riding?
    When Wang's caucaus paper was published, people was happy b/c steppe people did not interact with caucaus people.
    Wang paper just proved archaeological fact that bronze age people at steppe was not mobile at all. However people are happy now b/c yamna people are horse-riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moja View Post
    Animal Domestication in the Zagros from 11,000 years ago is not a joke.
    https://www.persee.fr/doc/mom_1955-4..._act_49_1_2709
    That's talking about the domestication of sheep and goats. Maybe you don't know what the difference is between sheep or goats and horses? Maybe you think Zagros warriors were the first to ride sheep into battle?

    You posted one 'source' which is obvious garbage and another which is completely irrelevant, well done.

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    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...Southwest_Asia

    The introduction of the domesticated horse in Southwest Asia

    Northwestern Iran. There are a few sites that demonstrate the presence of domesticated horses, both in the Qazvin Plain and also in the mountainous Zagros region. These specimens precede the earliest evidence of domestication in the Eurasian steppe. Radiocarbon samples have established a site chronology demonstrating occupation from Late Neolithic/ Transitional Chalcolithic to the Early Chalcolithic ca. 5370/5070–4450/4220 cal BC (Fazeli, Wong, Potts, 2005). E. ferus skeletal elements at Zagheh include teeth, a humerus, a calcaneus, and several second and third phalanges dating from the 6th millennium BC (Mashkour, 2003: 134–135).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moja View Post
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...Southwest_Asia

    The introduction of the domesticated horse in Southwest Asia

    Northwestern Iran. There are a few sites that demonstrate the presence of domesticated horses, both in the Qazvin Plain and also in the mountainous Zagros region. These specimens precede the earliest evidence of domestication in the Eurasian steppe. Radiocarbon samples have established a site chronology demonstrating occupation from Late Neolithic/ Transitional Chalcolithic to the Early Chalcolithic ca. 5370/5070–4450/4220 cal BC (Fazeli, Wong, Potts, 2005). E. ferus skeletal elements at Zagheh include teeth, a humerus, a calcaneus, and several second and third phalanges dating from the 6th millennium BC (Mashkour, 2003: 134–135).
    Lack of reading comprehension and intellectual dishonesty, well done.

    What it actually says:

    "Northwestern Iran lies on the southeastern border of the Transcaucasia region and is therefore a likely candidate for the dispersal of E. caballus southward at the end of the 4th millennium BC. There are a few sites that demonstrate the presence of domesticated horses, both in the Qazvin Plain and also in the mountainous Zagros region. However, there is also evidence that, like eastern Anatolia, western Iran may have also supported small, isolated populations of E. ferus well into the Holocene. Remains of E. ferus are present in small numbers within the Chalcolithic site of Zagheh, northwest of Tehran. These specimens precede the earliest evidence of domestication in the Eurasian steppe."

    E. ferus (Equus ferus) means wild horse, not domesticated.

    "A review of archaeozoological remains distributed throughout Southwest Asia has been conducted in this paper in order to establish a chronology of E. caballus dissemination and determine the avenues of domesticated horse dispersal from the Eurasian steppe into the Near East. To complicate the picture, the faunal record suggests the continual survival of the wild predecessor of domesticated horses Equus ferus throughout the Holocene in the southern Levant, northwestern Iran, and central Anatolia, areas in which it was previously thought to have become extinct."

    Also the paper is not about horse riding, so is once again irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philjames100 View Post
    Lack of reading comprehension and intellectual dishonesty, well done.

    What it actually says:

    "Northwestern Iran lies on the southeastern border of the Transcaucasia region and is therefore a likely candidate for the dispersal of E. caballus southward at the end of the 4th millennium BC. There are a few sites that demonstrate the presence of domesticated horses, both in the Qazvin Plain and also in the mountainous Zagros region. However, there is also evidence that, like eastern Anatolia, western Iran may have also supported small, isolated populations of E. ferus well into the Holocene. Remains of E. ferus are present in small numbers within the Chalcolithic site of Zagheh, northwest of Tehran. These specimens precede the earliest evidence of domestication in the Eurasian steppe."

    E. ferus (Equus ferus) means wild horse, not domesticated.

    "A review of archaeozoological remains distributed throughout Southwest Asia has been conducted in this paper in order to establish a chronology of E. caballus dissemination and determine the avenues of domesticated horse dispersal from the Eurasian steppe into the Near East. To complicate the picture, the faunal record suggests the continual survival of the wild predecessor of domesticated horses Equus ferus throughout the Holocene in the southern Levant, northwestern Iran, and central Anatolia, areas in which it was previously thought to have become extinct."

    Also the paper is not about horse riding, so is once again irrelevant.
    And it says:

    "Godin Tepe is located 1600 m above sea level in the Kangavar Valley of western Iran. Its stratigraphic sequence contains at least ten defined cultural phases, the earliest of which dates to around 4500 BC (Young, 1969). Godin IV (3000–2600 BC) is marked by evidence of an intrusion by Yanik/ ETC culture from the north; it also contains the oldest E. caballus remains at the site (Burney,Lang, 1971: 52–53; Gilbert, 1991: 75–76; Young, 1969:
    19–20)."

    What does E. caballus mean? Yanik culture (4000-3000 BC) is in the northwest of Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moja View Post
    And it says:

    "Godin Tepe is located 1600 m above sea level in the Kangavar Valley of western Iran. Its stratigraphic sequence contains at least ten defined cultural phases, the earliest of which dates to around 4500 BC (Young, 1969). Godin IV (3000–2600 BC) is marked by evidence of an intrusion by Yanik/ ETC culture from the north; it also contains the oldest E. caballus remains at the site (Burney,Lang, 1971: 52–53; Gilbert, 1991: 75–76; Young, 1969:
    19–20)."

    What does E. caballus mean? Yanik culture (4000-3000 BC) is in the northwest of Iran.
    Wow you really struggle with reading comprehension don't you.

    "Godin IV (3000–2600 BC) is marked by evidence of an intrusion by Yanik/ ETC culture from the north; it also contains the oldest E. caballus remains at the site"

    I'll paste it here again in case you missed it:

    3000–2600 BC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philjames100 View Post
    Wow you really struggle with reading comprehension don't you.

    "Godin IV (3000–2600 BC) is marked by evidence of an intrusion by Yanik/ ETC culture from the north; it also contains the oldest E. caballus remains at the site"

    I'll paste it here again in case you missed it:

    3000–2600 BC
    What do you mean? It proves the earliest horseback riders were in the northwest of Iran.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moja View Post
    What do you mean? It proves the earliest horseback riders were in the northwest of Iran.
    No, your comments only prove that you find it very difficult to understand what you read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Philjames100 View Post
    No, your comments only prove that you find it very difficult to understand what you read.
    Ok, you are the only one who can understand!! Please explain what happened 5,000 years ago in the steppe and the west of Iran that people of these regions became horseback riders? Do you want to deny all genetic studies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moja View Post
    Ok, you are the only one who can understand!! Please explain what happened 5,000 years ago in the steppe and the west of Iran that people of these regions became horseback riders? Do you want to deny all genetic studies?
    You obviously don't know anything about genetic studies, just as you didn't understand any of the things you posted in this thread.

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