The Gay Marriage Controversy

[Fire Haired]

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Sexual Orientation is a term used to describe patterns of enduring emotional,romantic and sexual attraction. The criteria for this is one thing with heterosexual men and women and another thing for homosexual men or lesbian women. We see this in life, it is there, ergo it exists.

what i am trying to say is we dont know if homosexuality or any sexuality besides hetrosexuality is natural.
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No and No. [And can we leave the Gentiles out of this one]

Sorry i have to use words like gentiles in this subject. If some uses male gentiles for sexuality he is using testosterone and if this person humps he has male sexual brain structure it is not just a sensation. male genetiles and humping is not made for two males if it used that way it is perverted i just cant see in anyway that would be natural. I dont think u can think of a way either.

How do you know this? Where have you read this? And to quote yourself .."give scientific evidence". Your opinion just wont do here.

It is alot easier to say no one is born gay and give evidence than to say people are born gay. Lebrok was saying it is confusing because he was trying to find a natural reason for homosexuality and i was pointing it out to him it is not confusing for me to say it is not natural.


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You are talking about one of the most basic human instincts..the wish to love and be loved, the desire to care and be cared for. This need has no notion of colour or gender.

what does color have to do with it that is a whole different subject. Gender does have to do with this the most basic human instict i am talking about is sex not falling in love that does not have to do with the argument of if homosexuality is natural.

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How do you know this..it`s quite a statement.

Lebrok was mentioned deformaties and that not everyone has the perfect human shape. That is off subject we are specifically talking about is anyone born naturally gay.


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Why? Who is to say what is and what is not natural?

when i say natural i mean someone is pre destined to do something it is in their nature. For example it is in my nature to talk it is in a bear's nature to hunt. I am talking about instinct things that are unlearned.

Yes, I recall recently pointing that out to you when you said this:

I think that point is key we need to stop searching for a gay gene or muatation because it would not be passed down to offspring. Purley gay rams dont have offspring so they either are not naturally gay or there could be another explanation.
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In what way? It has been around for quite some time and society has not been affected

Evloution is about survival a new gene may be better for survival and out survive the old gene so far that is the best explanation for evolution. Homosexuality does not produce offspring so it is just about the worst gene for survival it would only survive one generation and it would not survive in evolution. What about homosexuality in animals animals dont have human society so saying that does not change anything.

Please, spare us the religious lesson and don`t presume to know what other people think about God or if they have or have not read the bible..that is just too arrogant

Lebrok mentioned religion so i responded. Come on every services in Church till 1490's was in Latin why do u think martin Luther was so PO'ed. Why do u think christian leaders from 300-1900's forced so many people to be christian and where so corrupt and went against jesus's teachings. There where still some people who understood Christianity back then but very few and still very few today. also i know many everyday Americans that is what they think and that is what people in the middle ages thought. Why do u think people in the mid ages where so scared of God and made up stuff about purgatory and paying for dead friends and relatives so they can go to heaven.

It is a fact the vast majority of Europeans in the mid ages did not know how to read or understand Latin so they did not really know who the bible said God was. Martin Luther was shocked after reading the Bible once he learned how to read Latin. The Pope was corrupt and mis treated the people in my opinion martin luther brought Christianity back to live but he was not a perfect guys either none of us are.

No, you cannot. Being homosexual or lesbian is not a mental health health issue whatsoever. There are many who suffer some psychological problems because of it however, due to how they are treated by some sections of society or made to feel different. Many are isolated and do not know where to turn for counsel. At least 30 times more homosexual men will attempt suicide compared to heterosexual men. At least 6 times more lesbian women will attempt suicide than heterosexual women. Now it is a sad thing when a human feels their only option is to take their own life. It is also a poor reflection on our society IMO.

I nenver said being gay is a mental health issue but i think u can explain it through psychology. the Pschology thing is a whole diff argument i live in a very gay area of america okay and i have witnessed people going form having kids and being married to being gay AS SICK AND WRONG AS THAT IS it is a choose u cant say it is all natural.

There is a new movement that trys to hide the dark side of homosexuality. There is a reason why they have been known as perverts and child molesters they gave themselves that reputation. My brother friends dad who is actulley okay with gay marriage witnessed a gay pride parade before the whole USA court gay marriage stuff he said it was sick men who are half naked making out and touching each other in places they should not flirting with men walking down the street. Throwing used condmes but of course the media wont show that. If they here in my neighborhood a would first politely ask them to leave if they did not i am bringing out some type of club and chasing them out that type of stuff really gets me angre. I guess that might be the right thing to do but i don't want them in my neighborhood the gay pride parades are sick. In the Gay areas of my city they where absolutely sick clothing they are not as innocent as the media portrays them and the gay lesbian part of Netflix is almost all porn. I can give u examples

I think a reason why gays might commit suicide is the used to not be gay then a life experience changed them, don't just shot me down and say that is not possible it happens. I can show u psychological reasons if u want. I know homosexuals are miss treated but that does not make it natural.

On a final note, before I leave this thread. You have been given links to studies here, you have heard other members tell you of findings from MRI scans [ I am not sure to which study the poster was referring but it may have been that carried out at the Stockholm Institute, and you have heard other very good opinions. And your response to all of this has been to stamp your foot and insist only you have the answer. You have done this while using very negative semantics regarding homosexual or lesbian people. Coul I remind you Eupedia is a very large forum, it has a large number of members and also visitors to its pages. Do you really think [ or care] that perhaps not all are of the heterosexual lifestyle and many seeing some of your "finer" pieces may be much insulted.

I will study this more and i might send u some messages on what i find. I have always been very confident in my opinion and insisted im right and arguing with people offenlley since i could talk my family understands how u feel i know i am very stubborn and can get annoying.

I still think my whole argument about gay people having the same sexual behavior as straight people shows a female brain structure in gay men is not the source because they hump. there is no gay hormone found. Also a gay gene could not be passed done in humans animal ancestors because they dont have offspring. So if homosexuality is natural then they would have to use the same sexual resources that exist in heterosexuals and in someway mix it up but that does nit explain the whole sexual behavior thing.

If u think about Homosexuality being natural in a scientific way it seems impossible. Also those studies try to find a reason for homosexuality not a reason why it is not natural i cant find exact references which shows their bias but trust me they are totally biased. The fact all studies on gay animals tried to say it is natural and relate to humans show they where pro gay.

In what way have i offended homosexuals in anyway i can have an opinion that what they are doing in unnatural. I do know gay's might be insulted but they shouldn't i have a opinion they have a opinion. I am offended by their lifestyle and gay pride parades in my city where they do very inappropriate things so what. I can say to Lebrok for saying God does not exist offends my faith but i dont. Maybe people are too sensitive.

I do care about offending them but i am not going to hide my opinion.

 

[alibaz]

I do care about offending them but i am not going to hide my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Thats good Fire Haired - so you won't mind me making these observations....

1. You are NOT gay - OK, we get it - you're a red blooded hetrosexual male - your mother must be so proud. Though 'Thou dost protest' a little too much.
2. You are a God fearing Christian who reads the Bible - great, its good to have a faith. So it is a mortal sin for a man to lie with a man (or beast) - and you would NEVER do that. Presumably you also dont eat shellfish, have a tattoo, touch anything to do with pigs etc etc. Perhapsl this was really good health advice when the Gospels were written and maybe should be (unselectively) rethought now our medical awareness has improved. (Its far more interesting to read the gospels which James II left OUT of the bible - but thats another thread).
3. The sexual drive or urge to reproduce is natures strongest urge. Males with a high sex drive will 'hump' (as you call it), pretty much anything.
"Why did you sleep with your sister/horse/goat/sheep? ..... Because the nearest village is 10 miles away." (Old joke but I like it.)
A friend of mine who was in the Merchant Navy told me that using a tin of beans to gratify themselves was commonplace. I presume you masterbate - your argument forbids all this and leads me to believe that if you want 'unnatural' - find yourself a hetrosexual male who is gagging for it.
4. Have you not heard of IVF and turkey basters? Of course same sex couples can have children and pass their genes to the next generation. All they need is a good friend of the opposite sex in there somewhere.

 

[alibaz]

Hi Baron - thanks for your comments on my post. I was trying to catch up with what was going on with this thread and to be honest, its quite an annoying journey!!!! I really cant get my head around the logic (if there is any) of whats being said by certain contributors and regular members are being very valiant in trying to be reasoned and rational, and very interesting. I decided in the end to simply list my observations (#422) in response to one particular contributor and leave it at that.

 

[Fire Haired]

Thats good Fire Haired - so you won't mind me making these observations....

1. You are NOT gay - OK, we get it - you're a red blooded hetrosexual male - your mother must be so proud. Though 'Thou dost protest' a little too much.
2. You are a God fearing Christian who reads the Bible - great, its good to have a faith. So it is a mortal sin for a man to lie with a man (or beast) - and you would NEVER do that. Presumably you also dont eat shellfish, have a tattoo, touch anything to do with pigs etc etc. Perhapsl this was really good health advice when the Gospels were written and maybe should be (unselectively) rethought now our medical awareness has improved. (Its far more interesting to read the gospels which James II left OUT of the bible - but thats another thread).
3. The sexual drive or urge to reproduce is natures strongest urge. Males with a high sex drive will 'hump' (as you call it), pretty much anything.
"Why did you sleep with your sister/horse/goat/sheep? ..... Because the nearest village is 10 miles away." (Old joke but I like it.)
A friend of mine who was in the Merchant Navy told me that using a tin of beans to gratify themselves was commonplace. I presume you masterbate - your argument forbids all this and leads me to believe that if you want 'unnatural' - find yourself a hetrosexual male who is gagging for it.

all of that defends what i am saying that people can pervert and unlike what lebrok and others say that people who do stuff with animals have a brain issue. They ignore that it is totally possibly for people to pervert.
4. Have you not heard of IVF and turkey basters? Of course same sex couples can have children and pass their genes to the next generation. All they need is a good friend of the opposite sex in there somewhere.[/QUOTE]

but totally gay animals dont reproduce. for example pro gay studies say 10% of a certain type of domestcated ram males are completly gay and dont have offspring that means they dont have a gay gene because they cant pass it down. So before human society and the IVD turkey basters gay people had no offspring i have seen that even pro gay people admit homosexuality would not be passed down and is terribly in evolution.

 

[Ike]

Hasn't anybody posted breaking-the-thread link yet?

http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/part_1_full/

p.s. Read the warnings before you proceed.

 

[alibaz]

Ike - I only got to the warning page on your link, there is no way I am going to view anything like that. Why would you post a link like that? We dont have stuff like that going on in the UK where people (gay/straight whatever) are openly performing sexual acts - presumably to shock everyone - because it is simply ill mannered (how British!!!!). Good grief - the US has some weird and extremely unpleasant ways of expressing themselves. Please repost on the "Is America the Land of the Free" thread as I think its probably relevant there!

 

[Fire Haired]

Ike - I only got to the warning page on your link, there is no way I am going to view anything like that. Why would you post a link like that? We dont have stuff like that going on in the UK where people (gay/straight whatever) are openly performing sexual acts - presumably to shock everyone - because it is simply ill mannered (how British!!!!). Good grief - the US has some weird and extremely unpleasant ways of expressing themselves. Please repost on the "Is America the Land of the Free" thread as I think its probably relevant there!

i know my country recently has gone nuts in many ways.

my on teacher said that there are more gays than straight people and everyone is hiding it but of course he is straght while half of the country is not what a freak. He think if people have gay temptaions that makes them gay but if gay's have straight temptations their not gay. He is one of the most close minded and biggest freaks i have heard in my life i have to listen to his long political speeches everyday when i correct him he calls me close minded when he is not open to any opinions but extreme liberal ones. And when it comes to ancient dna and other types of history he knows alot for a average person but compared to people like maciamo he claims Germans mainly Germanic tribes are the most evil people in history.

also i live in the most gay city in america san fran and i have only seen gay people holding hands. well my firends dad said and a gay pride parade they did many very very very sick things.

 

[LeBrok]

Sorry guys, not much time to argue my points recently, not even to read everything. Here is in short:

Right now it seems there is no way anyone is born gay and now ur saying it is a fact some are ur coming to quick conclusions

Gay gene in fruit flies discovered:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071210094541.htm

Featherstone, associate professor of biological sciences at UIC, and his coworkers discovered a gene in fruit flies they called "genderblind," or GB. A mutation in GB turns flies bisexual.
It was very dramatic," said Featherstone. "The GB mutant males treated other males exactly the same way normal male flies would treat a female. They even attempted copulation

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I know there is a far cry between humans and flies, but this is interesting. This mutation blocks repulsive pheromone smell males produce to let other males know, don't copulate with me. Otherwise fruit fliies are hardwired as bisexual.
Fruit flies don't have ability to learn, so this is definitely not a cultural thing, no perverting.

In humans there is no one gay gene (yet) but there are few strong candidates, all the clues point of hereditary nature:

What might be the origin of biological differences underlying male sexual preference? In 1993 Dean Hamer and his colleagues at the National Cancer Institute discovered a preliminary but nevertheless tantalizing clue.[9] Hamer began his painstaking search for a genetic contribution to sexual behavior by studying the rates of homosexuality among male relatives of seventy-six known gay men. He found that the incidence of homosexual preference in these family members was strikingly higher (13.5 percent) than the rate of homosexuality among the whole sample (2 percent). When he looked at the patterns of sexual orientation among these families, he discovered more gay relatives on the maternal side. Homosexuality seemed, at least, to be passed from generation to generation through women

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/nyreview.html

The gay gene or mutation would not be passed down because they DONT HAVE OFFSPRING.

I personally know to gays that left their families and kids (yes their genetic kids) in late 40s. They said they were sick and tired hiding their real sexuality all their life. It make sense as we are mostly susceptible to peer or family pressure in young age, and we go with our true nature later in life. On other hand I'm in later 40's myself and when I see two men kissing (sexually) I find it very repulsive, as repulsive as i've seen it the first time. I can't change it, but I can understand, tolerate, even though I can't look at it.

We dont even know if there are diff sexual orientations.

If you don't see the difference yourself I have a suspicion that you are bisexual man. It is not an accusation or ridicule, by all means, just observation. Perhaps for you it is a perversion, because you know by yourself, that with some encouragement of attractive male you would be tempted to go to the other side.
Otherwise I have no idea why would you question sexual orientations?
We also know that few strongest opponents of gay marriage and homosexuality in US Congres turned to be homo or bisesuals, and were cought in such acts.

u are going of the philosophy of Europeans from the 300-present who never read the Bible either because it was in Latin or don't care to.

I'm sorry but it only shows your young age and vast experience with real world. For 35 years I was a devoted catholic, I know the bible, and I know how world works on both sides, believer and atheist. My change of spirituality was strictly based on inability of bible to explain the world. Science explains it much better and more completely without need for miracles or any extra natural phenomenons. Actually science can explain spirituality and religion, but it doesn't work in reverse.

 

[Fire Haired]

Sorry guys, not much time to argue my points recently, not even to read everything. Here is in short:



Gay gene in fruit flies discovered:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071210094541.htm
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I know there is a far cry between humans and flies, but this is interesting. This mutation blocks repulsive pheromone smell males produce to let other males know, don't copulate with me. Otherwise fruit flies are hardwired as bisexual.
Fruit flies don't have ability to learn, so this is definitely not a cultural thing, no perverting.

"Homosexual courtship might be sort of an 'overreaction' to sexual stimuli," he explained.

which means it is just because they became more sexual.

"It was very dramatic," said Featherstone. "The GB mutant males treated other males exactly the same way normal male flies would treat a female. .

So their gay sexulaity came from the same source as straight male sexuality it is not its own. So it is either its own sexuality mutated out of straight make sexuallity or a over reaction to sexual stimli.

To test this, he and his colleagues genetically altered synapse strength independent of GB, and also fed the flies drugs that can alter synapse strength. As predicted, they were able to turn fly homosexuality on and off -- and within hours.

so they used more than the GB gene to strengthen the sexuality of the fruit flies which made them bi. I dont exactly understand the other things they said. Their b sexuality was not a female source from what these guys said because they treated males like they did females. It was of male sexual source so it is not a specific gay gene or comes from a unique gay brain part. It comes from the same source as male sexual attraction to females. I cant decide if it is a overreaction to sexual feelings which is what the head of the study suggested or if somehow it is a mutated straight gene but then why would it cause them to be attracted to the same gender. That would not evolve from natural selection and how would it pop up there is no reason for it. I dont understand all of the science behind it i dont think u do either before we come up with conclusions i think both us need to study more. right now it looks like a over reaction to sexual stimli not a gene that specifcally causes them to be bi.

it is not a gay gene if anything it is a bi gene. also i think there needs to be more studies on this and compare this to other animals.

In humans there is no one gay gene (yet) but there are few strong candidates, all the clues point of hereditary nature:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/genetics/nyreview.html

u need to realize this is all bias research and the writer of the article obviously shows is pro gay opinon much of the research is very questionble and not relible. Like studying families with gay people and their realtives i dont trust that one. How many have they studied and they just asked the people if they have had homosexual temptaions many people have so that doe snot make them gay it can totally be explained their their past life.

and they say the females had more homo sexual temptation then that the gene was passed from the mother. Where is the DNA evidence those are just speculations. Also gay men like i said have the same sexual behavour as straight men so it could not come from the mother it coems from the same source as striaght mens attrcation to women.

I personally know to gays that left their families and kids (yes their genetic kids) in late 40s. They said they were sick and tired hiding their real sexuality all their life. It make sense as we are mostly susceptible to peer or family pressure in young age, and we go with our true nature later in life. On other hand I'm in later 40's myself and when I see two men kissing (sexually) I find it very repulsive, as repulsive as i've seen it the first time. I can't change it, but I can understand, tolerate, even though I can't look at it.

then why did they get married they fell in love with women orignally and spent many years with them had kids. falling in love is one of the strongest emotions a human can have and it is completly willing. they defintley where very hetro sexual to commit to all of that and their homo stuff can be explained in temptaions and since they where so diff thought that is who they where. This stuff defintley is from more recent times they probably saw the homo temptations fearfully and diff so it made it more tempting.

trust me people influced by gay stuff like child rape have a much better chance of becoming gay. i have argued this with many of my teachers they just ignore the whole life experience thing.

If you don't see the difference yourself I have a suspicion that you are bisexual man. It is not an accusation or ridicule, by all means, just observation. Perhaps for you it is a perversion, because you know by yourself, that with some encouragement of attractive male you would be tempted to go to the other side.
Otherwise I have no idea why would you question sexual orientations?
We also know that few strongest opponents of gay marriage and homosexuality in US Congres turned to be homo or bisesuals, and were cought in such acts.

U cant just say if someone has homo temptaions that makes them 100% gay. And many of u people just ignore obvious phscological causes of homosexuality. u always assume everyone goes 100% from instinct that is not true. I know a very sick and perverted side of homosexuaiy i have seen and been flitered by homo's in my town which has many gays. It is very sick dont lie and act as if they are exactly the same and are perfect little angles they have a perverted side which is not natural.

Stop asking saying stuff like why question sexual orientation. of course u can question it that makes no sense that u cant. U cant defintley explain homosexuality and bisexuality with past life experiences stop ignoring that it is so true not every sexual feeling people have they where born with. and if people have a little temptation towards something that is not their gender does not mean they are homosexuals or motor sexual u need to read the biased pro gay articles with caution.

honestly i can not believe u support those 40 year old men and women who left their family for the same gender. That get me so angre and i have the right to dont say i am a bigot that is just plain wrong. They probably said they where hiding their sexuality because they had those temptations for a very long time and they felt since it was gay it somehow meant they where 100% gay and pro gay people like u probably encouraged them. stop taking past life experiences and mental reason for homosexuality out of the picture they defintley matter.

i have seen pervert mental cases one threaten to kill my father and raped children now he is in prison. Which reminds me every heard of the saying dont drop the soap u think those prison rapist arent perverts and are naturally gay. Maybe they are gay for the same reason as those fruit flies over sexual stimli meaning they are extremly horney. These are people who say well i am just gay it was the way was born,. gay pride parades in my city with guys making out and touching each other in the wrong places throwing condoms and i have heard many people support them.

what the heck it does not matter if u support gay marriage that is sick. it shows a sick side of homosexuality the media does not let us show and when people like me who have wittnessd it say stuff about it. We are called haters of gays. u have to consider the perverted and sick parts of homosexuality dont ignore it.

If you don't see the difference yourself I have a suspicion that you are bisexual man. It is not an accusation or ridicule, by all means, just observation. Perhaps for you it is a perversion, because you know by yourself, that with some encouragement of attractive male you would be tempted to go to the other side.
Otherwise I have no idea why would you question sexual orientations?
We also know that few strongest opponents of gay marriage and homosexuality in US Congres turned to be homo or bisesuals, and were cought in such acts.

when i say difference i mean we dont know if any one is naturally any thing but straight which is made for reproduction which is what sex was made for egg meets sperm not the other way around. i dont understand why u would think i am bisexual i guess now u want call everyone bi or gay i have noticed many people in recent times have been accused of being gay. Like any in the office since everyone though he was gay that made him consider if he was gay which he said gave him gay tempation again a good way to explain it in life expernces.

so in ur opinion if someone has any gay temptation their gay or bi. have u considered that it could be from life experiences. there maybe needs to be a not pro gay study on gays personal sexual history. Also i would like to say female attitude has alot to do with male sexuality and vis versa with females so i wonder how many gay men like hairy chests and hairy men. or would be attracted to a big bearded beast viking( i cant speak for girls it seems like this is true). this is just from what i have experienced it seems girls like the athlete or a tough guy the majo man or other distinct personalty traits. girls change their opinion quickly based on personality while guys choose who they like before hearing a word come out of the girls mouth and also their femine attitude. also guys are the aggressors and stay stubborn to a girl till he losses interest or is constantly rejected.

why do people accuse men of being unfaithful that gets annoying its the girls who are unfaithful and cheaters. Guys make quick decisions while girls are picky and break alot of guys hearts. girls reject way more guys than guys reject girls.

i bet if their was a study they would see gay men sexual feelings for other men is based on the straight mans feelings for women. They show the same mental and other complicated sexual traits and like i said they have the same sexual behavior and i would guess same brain sexual behavior it is defintley not just testosterone like u said before. like the leader in the study said the fruit flies treated the men the same same way as the women. their sexual source was from male hetrosexuality the attraction to the male fruit fly may be over dose of sexual feelings like the lead of the study said or another reason but is unrelated to female sexuality.

the reason those supreme court people probably turned gay. is reasons i have metioned fear and angre from the world they see they are the small minority to oppose gay marriage. i would not be supirsed if they have been attacked by gays i am not suprised this occurs in high ranking people against gay marriage it is totally mental and can be explained by life experiences. i am sick of people who want them to be gay and act as if one gay temptation makes someone gay. u completly ignore the life experiences factor.

I'm sorry but it only shows your young age and vast experience with real world. For 35 years I was a devoted catholic, I know the bible, and I know how world works on both sides, believer and atheist. My change of spirituality was strictly based on inability of bible to explain the world. Science explains it much better and more completely without need for miracles or any extra natural phenomenons. Actually science can explain spirituality and religion, but it doesn't work in reverse.

majority of Americans are Christians technically. The vast majority i have meet throughout the country are in no way show signs of being christian(i cant say for sure). Catholics in my opinon are defintley the most unfaithful i go to a catholic school not one kid is a christain. when asked if they are atheist they almost always say yes they say they are Catholics too.

since u are catholic there is a chance u grew up mainly around left winged people who only showed their side on the bible. u never got to see the other side well u where probably only shown the extreme bad parts of the other side.

well u think miracles dont happen well i can show they do if u would like but that would take a new post(dont worry it is not extremely long). where did the first matter come from did it just pop up and i think so many amazing scientific thing s in our world are not completely chance. '

u cant dis agree catholic people are very un catholic. also that Christians from 300-1900ad defintley did not have a great idea on what the bible was. mainly because much of that time it was in Latin. the prove they where going against Jesus is the crimes, killings, and corrupt things so called christian Europe did for over 1,000 years.

 

[Fire Haired]

sorry about my long message repeated alot of my points.

 

[LeBrok]

sorry about my long message repeated alot of my points

You can't help your nature, can you? I'm sure "this lot of blablabla" is hardwired too. You just can't go against your nature, well with huge difficulty.

So their gay sexulaity came from the same source as straight male sexuality it is not its own. So it is either its own sexuality mutated out of straight make sexuallity or a over reaction to sexual stimli.

Whatever..., this is an example of genetics influencing sexual orientation. One gene mutation and natural animals developed homosexual predispositions.
Instead of this lot of blabla, can you finally admit that genetic mutation can lead to homosexuality in animals (fruit flies in this case)?

u need to realize this is all bias

Because they don't agree with your biblical point of view?
Can you say Copernicus and Galileo?

then why did they get married they fell in love with women orignally and spent many years with them had kids. falling in love is one of the strongest emotions a human can have and it is completly willing. they defintley where very hetro sexual to commit to all of that and their homo stuff can be explained in temptaions and since they where so diff thought that is who they where. This stuff defintley is from more recent times they probably saw the homo temptations fearfully and diff so it made it more tempting.

It was the point to show you that homosexuals can have kids. You didn't believe it.
He is bisexual from birth. With family pressure and woman (his future wife) was loving him and he got married to this woman. Later in life love evaporated, and it happened that he met a guy that he fell in love with. Being bisexual he could have sexual relationships with both sexes. He's sexual orientation was bisexual from puberty. Actually it wasn't 50/50 he always liked men more than women.
Simple biology in action to explain it all. We don't need devils, temptations, miracles, perverting, influencing, all this mumbo jumbo. Sexual orientation at genetic level and manifested at puberty, makes a choice for us, what sex we are attracted to.

trust me people influced by gay stuff like child rape have a much better chance of becoming gay.

Are you insane? It is like saying that raping a women will make her loving and wanting men even more. You don't really get psychology, nor understand people.

if people have a little temptation towards something that is not their gender does not mean they are homosexuals

Yes it does. I'm a straight man, I never in my life found any man sexually attractive, not even Brad Pitt. I find homosexual acts mentally repulsive, can't watch it even in mild form in movies. From puberty I was only attracted to women, and it is still the case. And I had no sexual education at all, and when I was growing up TV was very asexual. It all came in natural way to me.

or motor sexual u need to read the biased pro gay articles with caution.

Tell me why would I like to read gay pro biased articles?
The articles that I cited explain sexuality in simple scientific understandable terms, that's why I like them.

honestly i can not believe u support those 40 year old men and women who left their family for the same gender. That get me so angre and i have the right to dont say i am a bigot that is just plain wrong. They probably said they where hiding their sexuality because they had those temptations for a very long time and they felt since it was gay it somehow meant they where 100% gay and pro gay people like u probably encouraged them. stop taking past life experiences and mental reason for homosexuality out of the picture they defintley matter.

For god sake man, get a grip on yourself. Nobody did this on purpose to make you angry. You're not that special, lol. Grownups made their life choices, and life is too short to get stuck with person one hates.
If you let them be gay and marry men they wouldn't need to pretend for years to love women and make them both unhappy. Unfortunately biggest like you is screwing peoples lives with hatred and social pressures.
But I guess you read your bible and you know the truth. Can you say again Galileo and Giordano Bruno.

i have seen pervert mental cases one threaten to kill my father and raped children now he is in prison. Which reminds me every heard of the saying dont drop the soap u think those prison rapist arent perverts and are naturally gay. Maybe they are gay for the same reason as those fruit flies over sexual stimli meaning they are extremly horney. These are people who say well i am just gay it was the way was born,. gay pride parades in my city with guys making out and touching each other in the wrong places throwing condoms and i have heard many people support them.

So what if their orientations are genetic, it still doesn't mean they can break the law and hurt people. 90% of killers in prisons (according to one study) have brain abnormalities, either from birth or accidents. It doesn't mean we let them loose.

what the heck it does not matter if u support gay marriage that is sick. it shows a sick side of homosexuality the media does not let us show and when people like me who have wittnessd it say stuff about it. We are called haters of gays. u have to consider the perverted and sick parts of homosexuality dont ignore it.

Any study showing that homosexuality ruins society in any way, economy, sociological, politically?
Actually the most prosperous countries on this planet have the biggest numbers of homosexuals out of closets. How is this possible? Bible says otherwise.

so in ur opinion if someone has any gay temptation their gay or bi. have u considered that it could be from life experiences

Yes I did. You can't change sexual orientation. If you had slightest temptation for a guy, at least you are a bi. What I can assure you is that if you are 100% straight this thought would never cross your mind.

there maybe needs to be a not pro gay study on gays personal sexual history. Also i would like to say female attitude has alot to do with male sexuality and vis versa with females so i wonder how many gay men like hairy chests and hairy men. or would be attracted to a big bearded beast viking( i cant speak for girls it seems like this is true). this is just from what i have experienced it seems girls like the athlete or a tough guy the majo man or other distinct personalty traits. girls change their opinion quickly based on personality while guys choose who they like before hearing a word come out of the girls mouth and also their femine attitude. also guys are the aggressors and stay stubborn to a girl till he losses interest or is constantly rejected.

I'm sorry you can't find true love.

i bet if their was a study they would see gay men sexual feelings for other men is based on the straight mans feelings for women.

Of course the mechanism is the same. But you can't change what gender exites you sexully. Of course life experiences have effect on our sexuality, but they can't change your sexual orientation. This primal instinct is set in stone from conception.

the reason those supreme court people probably turned gay. is reasons i have metioned fear and angre from the world they see they are the small minority to oppose gay marriage. i would not be supirsed if they have been attacked by gays i am not suprised this occurs in high ranking people against gay marriage it is totally mental and can be explained by life experiences. i am sick of people who want them to be gay and act as if one gay temptation makes someone gay. u completly ignore the life experiences factor.

Woohoo, conspiracy to get you. Again, you're not that special.

majority of Americans are Christians technically. The vast majority i have meet throughout the country are in no way show signs of being christian(i cant say for sure). Catholics in my opinon are defintley the most unfaithful i go to a catholic school not one kid is a christain. when asked if they are atheist they almost always say yes they say they are Catholics too.

Oh yeah, you're the only real christian, you are the chosen one!

since u are catholic there is a chance u grew up mainly around left winged people who only showed their side on the bible. u never got to see the other side well u where probably only shown the extreme bad parts of the other side.

Bad part for one is beautiful for other.

well u think miracles dont happen well i can show they do if u would like but that would take a new post(dont worry it is not extremely long). where did the first matter come from did it just pop up and i think so many amazing scientific thing s in our world are not completely chance. '

I don't care for miracles, I don't need miracles. Human mind is making miracles every day. Look at your computer screen with internet connection or penicillin. I guess god didn't give us instruction how to make these in the bible. Too bad, maybe I would have a believed then.

u cant dis agree catholic people are very un catholic. also that Christians from 300-1900ad defintley did not have a great idea on what the bible was. mainly because much of that time it was in Latin. the prove they where going against Jesus is the crimes, killings, and corrupt things so called christian Europe did for over 1,000 years.

Sometimes I think you ignoring scientific facts because you think that Holy Spirit is showing you the truth and the only way. Can you say Giordano Bruno and Darwin?

 

[Fire Haired]

You can't help your nature, can you? I'm sure "this lot of blablabla" is hardwired too. You just can't go against your nature, well with huge difficulty.

no i think it is the way a grew up but partlly in my nature i can still stop it though it was my mistake. something that is in my nature is to beat the crap out of dis respectful people who think their smart like u.

Whatever..., this is an example of genetics influencing sexual orientation. One gene mutation and natural animals developed homosexual predispositions.
Instead of this lot of blabla, can you finally admit that genetic mutation can lead to homosexuality in animals (fruit flies in this case)?

the only non human species i heard about was fruit flies. uu do know they used drugs
The team led by University of Illinois at Chicago researcher David Featherstone has discovered that sexual orientation in fruit flies is controlled by a previously unknown regulator of synapse strength. Armed with this knowledge, the researchers found they were able to use either genetic manipulation or drugs to turn the flies' homosexual behavior on and off within hours.
Genetic manipulation is scientists messing with their genes click on the link it explains i dont completly uunderstand it u have to understand this was an experiment.

I dont think either of us understand the Fruit fly gay gene thing. The leader of the study said it affected how they responded to Pharmone Pheromones are powerful sexual stimuli," Featherstone said. "As it turns out, the GB mutant flies were perceiving pheromones differently. Specifically, the GB mutant males were no longer recognizing male pheromones as a repulsive stimulus."

can u explain exactly what the GB gene is i doubt it. U need to understand it for some not completly known reason causes the male fruit flys to sexually treat male and femlae fruit flys the same why they tried to put sperm or whatever fruit flys have into the male furit flys. that means their bi sexuality is caused by the same source as male heterosexuality it is not its on gene it works with the male sex genes. i think the leader said it may be a overreaction to sexual stimil i dont completly understand what stimil means.

Before u said well science is complicated and just because gay men and gay women sexual behavior is like straight men and straight women their might be a very very complicated answer in science. but now that they say they found a GB(that scints created and added drugs) bisexual gene in male fruit flys u automatically call it a total gene like a gene for red hair when u dont even understand how it works. U don't study it further.

Because they don't agree with your biblical point of view?
Can you say Copernicus and Galileo?

Well if u want evidence i will give u evidence.

Take, for example, the lugubrious statements of-once respected investigators. Here is Sandor Feldman, a well-known psychotherapist, in 1956:

It is the consensus of many contemporary psychoanalytic workers that permanent homosexuals, like all perverts, are neurotics.[1]​

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the author of the article called them lugubrois statemenst maki his or her opinon very clear.so the person who wrote that article was pro gay.

Simon LeVay, Dean Hamer, and a small group of researchers concerned to distinguish biological and genetic influences on sexual behavior has discredited much of the loose rhetoric that has been used about homosexuality. In August 1991, LeVay, a neuroscientist who now directs the Institute of Gay and Lesbian Education in southern California, published in the magazine Science findings from autopsies of men and women of known sexual preference. He found that a tiny region in the center of the brain--the interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH) 3--was, on average, substantially smaller in nineteen gay men who died from AIDS than among sixteen heterosexual men.[7]

simon was obviously trying to find evidence people are born gay all they said was a part of the brain was smaller. he was a biased researcher and did only one study and besided female and male homosexuality is unrelated.

The most convincing evidence he puts forward to support his view comes from women with congenital adrenal hyperplasia. This condition, in which masculine characteristics, such as androgenized genitalia, including clitoral enlargement and partially fused labia, become pronounced in women, is caused by excessive testosterone production and leads, in adulthood, to an increased frequency of lesbianism affecting up to half of all the women who have the condition. The theory, still unproven, that is proposed to explain these behavioral effects of hormones is that one or more chemical signals act during a brief early critical period in the development of most males to alter permanently both the brain and the pattern of their later adult behavior. Unless this hormonal influence is switched on, a female pattern of development will follow automatically.

earlier both of us agreed this could not be the case. because lesbian women dont hump or adore women the same way straight men do. also they dont have a pennis.i think it is clear the guy who did this study wanted to say that and that was his goal he was a biased researcher.

Hamer began his painstaking search for a genetic contribution to sexual behavior by studying the rates of homosexuality among male relatives of seventy-six known gay men. He found that the incidence of homosexual preference in these family members was strikingly higher (13.5 percent) than the rate of homosexuality among the whole sample (2 percent). When he looked at the patterns of sexual orientation among these families, he discovered more gay relatives on the maternal side. Homosexuality seemed, at least, to be passed from generation to generation through women.

once agian they where looking for something like that a biased reseach. that is just one family and how would a gay egen that cause men to want to hump men be passed down from the mother also gays use the same hromones as straights. all they asked is if they had a gay temptation well i am sure all of them had a straight temptaion. someone being attracted to a dog at some point does not mean they are motor sexuals or that it is natural. this article was made to say homosexuality is natural u know its biased.

I think u also know that the american educational world is very liberal. the american media is very libearl. my father has almost been kicked out of his universty when getting a phd and been given bad grades because of his opinion plus it was catholic. it is people like u the run american education all of this studies where defintley pro gay. I KNOW UR GOING TO BE STUBBORN ABOUT THIS LIKE U HAVE THIS WHOLE TIME AND SAY I LIE. i am sure u where great catholic same reason u insult the bible Catholics i have meet are atheist and Catholics.




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It was the point to show you that homosexuals can have kids. You didn't believe it.
He is bisexual from birth. With family pressure and woman (his future wife) was loving him and he got married to this woman. Later in life love evaporated, and it happened that he met a guy that he fell in love with. Being bisexual he could have sexual relationships with both sexes. He's sexual orientation was bisexual from puberty. Actually it wasn't 50/50 he always liked men more than women.
Simple biology in action to explain it all. We don't need devils, temptations, miracles, perverting, influencing, all this mumbo jumbo. Sexual orientation at genetic level and manifested at puberty, makes a choice for us, what sex we are attracted to.

Are you insane? It is like saying that raping a women will make her loving and wanting men even more. You don't really get psychology, nor understand people.



Yes it does. I'm a straight man, I never in my life found any man sexually attractive, not even Brad Pitt. I find homosexual acts mentally repulsive, can't watch it even in mild form in movies. From puberty I was only attracted to women, and it is still the case. And I had no sexual education at all, and when I was growing up TV was very asexual. It all came in natural way to me.

Tell me why would I like to read gay pro biased articles?

humm...... are u kidding me BECAUSE UR PRO GAY AND HAVE A POSSSBLY BI SEXUAL ACCORDING TO UR THEORYS

The articles that I cited explain sexuality in simple scientific understandable terms, that's why I like them.

stop lieing ur biased their biased american media is biased too. come on man i know where u are coming from i have seen so many so called Catholics like u almost everyone in my city.

For god sake man, get a grip on yourself. Nobody did this on purpose to make you angry. You're not that special, lol. Grownups made their life choices, and life is too short to get stuck with person one hates.
If you let them be gay and marry men they wouldn't need to pretend for years to love women and make them both unhappy. Unfortunately biggest like you is screwing peoples lives with hatred and social pressures.

u act like u know everyones life story and u understand psychology of sexuality we u dont u know just as well or worse than i do. see i know who u are ur are made of 1960's hippie mindset ur like a scientific creation. obviously u have some hate against me you biget. u think in this liberal mind set wow tolernce well we cant allow people to do whatever they want. hey u are a biget towards people who like animals but of course u are going to say that is much more rare but according to what u say we cant go agianst our nature then why are some people attracted to animals and did u see that article i showed a pitbull raped a little girl is that natural too.

u guys don't know me or my people u think where just haters when we are not(i know i seem to angre sometimes i apoligize). i have meet gay people i dont dis respect them but when the subject comes up i wont lie i think what their doing is wrong. u guys have blinded yourself and ignored the psychological factors and people attracted to animals to fit ur perfect world. u make ur selfs think there is not a sick side to homosexuality.

we cant have a compeltly tolerant society there are wrongs and rights. u need to realize ur people rule Americas media ur people rule our education systems. my people's voice is not shown we are shown in the way u want us to seem as bigets. u create this fixed idea of what society is as tolerant when the rules of tolerant constinley change. i accept other people but i have rules just like u i don't want to hate people.

i have a 68 year old teacher who is like u times 10 i have to listen to his speeches about tolerance when he is not tolerant. he says he is open mined no he isn't at all he believes is the extreme liberal opinion and hates any thing to do with religion just like u. i am 15 u think i am the smartest person with my opinion. u know what u and other have made me want to become a politician and wake this country up. maybe do some studies on this subject. trust me this country will be changed and i will help it happen.

i know that i seem very angry sometimes i apologize ur dis respectful attitude, insults, and over confidence got me angry. i am defintley not a good example of a good person.

So what if their orientations are genetic, it still doesn't mean they can break the law and hurt people. 90% of killers in prisons (according to one study) have brain abnormalities, either from birth or accidents. It doesn't mean we let them loose.

The guy i am talking about had mental problems one of his problems was he was a pervert apart of that was he was attarcted to other men and raped little kids. u are going to call anytype of gay act comepltly natural arent u dont even consider anything else. Why do u think men act more gay when in prison they say that they raped other men because they had not had a woman for so long theyw here desprite it was not natural. when u see a attractive girl on tv that is not a woman it is electronic stuff on the tv scrren so ur body does not say wait no that is not a phiscal human being. the male and femlae body has so many similraties that u should except homosexuality to be more popular than motorsexuality and perversion is defintley possible. U ARE SO STUBBORN ON THAT POINT EVEN THOUGH U HAVE NO EVIDENCE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GO AGAINST EXACTLY WHAT UR NATURE SAYS.

Any study showing that homosexuality ruins society in any way, economy, sociological, politically?
Actually the most prosperous countries on this planet have the biggest numbers of homosexuals out of closets. How is this possible? Bible says otherwise.

i never said homosexuality will destroy society u just wanted me too. obviosuly u dont know the bible well(Catholic for 35 yearsaka athiest but modertley dis like Christianity) the bible just says it is going agianst our nature and what humans are made to do it never mentions its affect on society. The reason the most proporus countries alloow homosexuality is because their western nations which began to allow it in the last 30 years when they where already powerful.

Yes I did. You can't change sexual orientation. If you had slightest temptation for a guy, at least you are a bi. What I can assure you is that if you are 100% straight this thought would never cross your mind.

WHERE IS UR EVIDENCE U HAVE NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have a teacher u ignored the fact people have CHOOSE stop ignoring it. how do u know ur not gay because the culture has made u straight see if everyone started putting that in ur mind u have a better chance of having gay temptations. u say that because it goes along with ur argument i am sick of ur dis respectful attitude and how u think ur all smart do u realize i am 15 wait till i am 25 so how much i know i might do some studies myself.

gay men and women have the same sexual behavior as straight men and women they dont have a unque sexuality. so if there is a gay gene it is based on hetrosexuality of that gender either they are just [perveting because they have very big sexual feelings. or somehow something in the dna causes some weird think that is hard to explain that somewow makes a man want to ump another man i really dont know how to explain that and why would it help in evolution. like alcholics there are no natural alcholics but there are people who have bodies that will become more addicted to alchol than other people it might be something like that with gay people.

the scientists created the so called fruit fly gay egen the leader said it might be a overreaction to sexual stimili and that they really dont know exactly why it causes them to also be attracted to male fruit fly's. u know they also used drugs and probably put all male fruit flys in a box for about one hour i am just saying it could be the same case with those guys in jail their desperate. then later they put females in.

i think there needs to be more study in this and there needs to be studies.

I'm sorry you can't find true love.

wow u are so respectful and mature. i dont understand it is women who pick which guy they want and reject like 50 and why do u think guys are so defensive because women are cheaters too.

Of course the mechanism is the same. But you can't change what gender exites you sexully. Of course life experiences have effect on our sexuality, but they can't change your sexual orientation. This primal instinct is set in stone from conception.

the way the act and the way they check each other out the way they think about sexual stuff is the same. i dont understand how naturally a man could want to treat another man like he is a woman which is for reproduction which is what sex is for. whatever this gay gene is u think exists it is based on hetrosexual sexuality in every way not just hormones which is why i dont think it exists. this sexual orientation thing is just a word and yes life experiences can change ur sexual orientation why are u so stubborn on that.

show me evidence it is completely set in stone that just a saying. primal instinct u dont know what that is when it comes down to DNA ur not a expert neither am i on this both of us are biased on one side. if there is a so called gay gene it would not be passed down then it would have to be a bisexual gene also i still don't understand and i dont think u know how to explain why gay men and women have the exact same sexual behavior then how could they have a diff sexual orientation


if it is not female genes that make gay men attarcted to other men then what does. they are attracted to other men the same way straight men are attracted to women how can u make a gene that switches it that makes no sense to me. can u explain that.

u should watch the office episode where andy thinks he is gay because Micheal his boss made a rumor he was. andy said he had only been attracted to women but when they called him gay he reconsidered and said he wanted to explore it obviously shows a how someone can change their sexuality. any pschologist who is not completely biased and has dealed with perverts would say ur wrong we can change our sexual orientation it is not all natural.

why do some men rape little girls who did not go through puberty and dont have those female markers that technically is unnatural well i guess maybe u could find a way to get around that. what about men raping little boys men who said they where straight their whole life or people raping dogs i bet men have i higher rate i know from the studies i read and the wikpedia page animal homosexuality said the rate is higher in males.

Woohoo, conspiracy to get you. Again, you're not that special.

when did i ever say i was special id di not really beive it but if it was true that was what i thought the cause was.

Oh yeah, you're the only real christian, you are the chosen one!

i never said that. what i know is Catholics and former Catholics like u are not Christians and are very left winged and hateful towards people like me because i have experienced that hate they are usually Christian by culture. i really doubt u where a serious catholic based on what u are saying and the dis respect u show towards Christianity u should be ashamed of ur self. u say i am spreading hate u spread hate agianst people like me. there are limits in society i think homosexuality is one of them just like u think motor sexuality is one does that make u a bigiot.

Bad part for one is beautiful for other.

so u did grow up left winged catholic that explains alot.

I don't care for miracles, I don't need miracles. Human mind is making miracles every day. Look at your computer screen with internet connection or penicillin. I guess god didn't give us instruction how to make these in the bible. Too bad, maybe I would have a believed then.

u show alot of respect for Christianity don't u what a model citizen of a tolerant society and a former catholic. why should the bible show instruction on making a computer obviously u don't understand the bible. that totally goes with Christianity and the bible on how amazing humans are. u show the same hate for Christianity my catholic school does including or priests so i guess ur still catholic.

and miracles do happen and u would care if God himself went up to u anyone would care. I can give u some examples now my family would not like me to tell it as if it was a miracle because we are not suppose to base faith on miracles they might not be miracles and we should not give them alot of attention.

mu uncle in law not by blood(my dads family is not christain anyways) total redneck says he wants nothing with God. while on his truck route has a vision of Jesus telling him who he is. Says the vision lasted for about 10 minutes while he was on the highway. he knew specific stuff about the Bible after that vision he never learned plus he was not in a accident his truck was fine. Says he never remembered waking up became a chrsitain becuse of the vision.

my friends family from Zion Illinois family orignalley moved there because they said themselves dowie healed them from a deadly disease and many people say they where healed by him. That is why the city was started. dowie went very crazy and trusted on his miracles but it seems he really did heal people their are many witness.

my father when he had just became a Christian was ministering to a old old man at a retirement home the guys yells at him tells him to believe says the Bible is a bunch of lies. then while my dad is leaving the old man is crying like a little baby my dad comes in to help he is touching his head so my dad prays for him the second my dad says amen the pain is gone the old man became a christian.

my greate grandmother giving birth to my grandmother in 1936. she died when giving birth my grandpa named my grandmother after her. then about 10 minutes later she jumped up out of her bed automatically and sang in tongue(she lived to be 103 i am not saying thats a miracle just saying). the doctor is dead but my family did know him and from what i hear he did not deny it. my great grand parents my grand parents and my mom almost never talk about it i asked today just for u. u could just say their a bunch of liers but i doubt that they are not the extreme bigets u might think they are. that may be a mircle.

i have many more examples some in my own life put that might be to personal and tell more about my self. i dont know if these are miracles but it gets convincing after a while where people witness things like someone speaking in tongues in a language he never learned stuff like that has happened i have meet people saying they have seen that. people say they have seen mircles just like in the bible i know u are really going to criticize on this and be 10 times more stubborn than before.

the fact the disciples followed Jesus and died for him because they say they saw him be raised from the dead. If they never did it why would they face rejection from the Jewish people and gentiles and be persecuted made fun of and then killed why would they lie to themselves. and why does Christianity spread so much in ancient Rome and just ancient people period. i know far left people who truly do hate Christianity give the excuse to as earthquake or try to say it was all forced conversions even though Christians where heavily persecuted the new testament makes it so clear so many times Jesus is for all nations and one day all nations will hear of him and at least some from every nation will convert look at Christianity today and how spread out it is. i doubt Paul every considered the Germanic tribes or Irish to be major Christians or convert.

people try to make Christianity seem as small as possible but it is pretty amazing simple Jews 2,000ybp where able to spread it and make it so large that may be a mircle in it self. i can give u more examples if u would like. also how do u explain nearlly everyone in the world except recent modern atheist. Believe in a God and every religion is so similar we all got it from the same source i also think it is in our instinct to believe in God.

Sometimes I think you ignoring scientific facts because you think that Holy Spirit is showing you the truth and the only way. Can you say Giordano Bruno and Darwin?

when did i ever say that i am not ignoring scientific fact what i am doing is studying science unlike u. i think u are ignoring a scientific fact that gay people have the same sexual behavior as straight people gay men treat men the same way straight men treat women they have the same sexuality. how could that twist if they dont have any signs of a woman sexuality because they treat men in every way the same as men treat women even the fruit flys also did u know they had a scientific experiment the fruit flys where not born with it they changed the synpess strength in the fruit flys i bet u dont even know what that means.

 

[Fire Haired]

sorry man i wont be able to respond till maybe tomorrow i am busy making a huge thread bout Germanic tribes historically and Genetically. i think u will like it i will edit if there are mistakes which there probably will be. i have been responding to posts and it has really slowed me down.

 

[LeBrok]

no i think it is the way a grew up but partlly in my nature i can still stop it though it was my mistake. something that is in my nature is to beat the crap out of dis respectful people who think their smart like u.

By length of this post it is obvious you can't control your nature. You can say, in your standard long blablabla, that it is not true, but your actions speak louder.

Anyway without much of my blabla, didn't they turned flies gay or bi by switching GB gene? Can you give me a short answer? We don't need a novel again.

Well if u want evidence i will give u evidence.

And you cited all contrary to your views material and called it biased. How come all the scientists don't share your point of view? Is it a case that at age of 15 you are not understanding all facts and implications?

humm...... are u kidding me BECAUSE UR PRO GAY AND HAVE A POSSSBLY BI SEXUAL ACCORDING TO UR THEORYS

Aside the fact that your sentence makes little logic, you didn't explain why I'm pro gay if I can't even look at two gay kissing.

stop lieing ur biased their biased american media is biased too. come on man i know where u are coming from i have seen so many so called Catholics like u almost everyone in my city.

That's what I mean that you are special. Everyone else thinks different than you.

u act like u know everyones life story and u understand psychology of sexuality

Maybe because I'm old and have seen a lot and you're just 15 and mostly full of christian dogma.

pitbull raped a little girl is that natural too.

Did you show the dog perverted movies?

u guys don't know me or my people u think where just haters when we are not(i know i seem to angre sometimes i apoligize).

Yes, we know your people and left them in times of Dark Ages and Spanish Inquisition. I guess some escaped...

u i don't want to hate people.

Shit, you've broke your rules again.

i have a 68 year old teacher who is like u times 10 i have to listen to his speeches about tolerance when he is not tolerant.

Have you ever considered the fact that actually you might be wrong?

i am 15 u think i am the smartest person with my opinion. u know what u and other have made me want to become a politician and wake this country up.

Congratulation on a visions but it is not going to happen. First of all, you can barely communicate with people using words. Not a very good trait to excite people to action.
Secondly, most people will hate your vision of the country.

i know that i seem very angry sometimes i apologize ur dis respectful attitude, insults, and over confidence got me angry. i am defintley not a good example of a good person.

More reason to reflect on your points of view. Overconfidence and erratic thinking had lead you to wrong conclusions.

U ARE SO STUBBORN ON THAT POINT EVEN THOUGH U HAVE NO EVIDENCE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO GO AGAINST EXACTLY WHAT UR NATURE SAYS.

If you were 100% heterosexual you wouldn't have any difficulties to understand that it is impossible to change sides. If you think you are, try to get an erection thinking about handsome man. How did it go?
If it comes to your blabla nature it is very hard to write something short to the point, but not impossible.

i never said homosexuality will destroy society u just wanted me too.

Well then, what are you afraid of? Otherwise read again your sentence. When you are a politician (on a mission to change the rotten world), Jay Leno and others will eat you alive first.

i am sick of ur dis respectful attitude and how u think ur all smart do u realize i am 15 wait till i am 25 so how much i know i might do some studies myself.

I can't wait till you're 25, perhaps your logical part of brain can catch up with your hyperactive memory and lips.

gay men and women have the same sexual behavior as straight men and women they dont have a unque sexuality. so if there is a gay gene it is based on hetrosexuality of that gender either they are just [perveting because they have very big sexual feelings.

How many times I have to point you into understanding that movements of humping is one thing and what you hump is completely different.
Sexual act - humping.
What you hump - sexual orientation.
Can you see the difference between these two concepts and definitions?

the scientists created the so called fruit fly gay egen the leader said it might be a overreaction to sexual stimili and that they really dont know exactly why it causes them to also be attracted to male fruit fly's. u know they also used drugs and probably put all male fruit flys in a box for about one hour i am just saying it could be the same case with those guys in jail their desperate. then later they put females in.

I'm glad you still contemplating this research. Perhaps there is a gay gene?

i think there needs to be more study in this and there needs to be studies.

You can bank on it. But wait, they will be all biased.

show me evidence it is completely set in stone that just a saying. primal instinct u dont know what that is when it comes down to DNA

I'm the walking evidence. After 50 years bombarded by liberal christian and other liberal media and liberal movies I'm still 100% straight man with not even one temptation with same sex.
Tell me how is this possible?

u should watch the office episode where andy thinks he is gay because Micheal...

Excellent material to learn psychology.

why do some men rape little girls who did not go through puberty

Similar thing. Wrong neuronal connection making men sexually excited on sight of little girls. Also psychopaths are people getting sexually excited on sight of human torture and suffering. Brain hardwired the wrong way. Genetic mistake.
We don't need devil or perversion. Just stupid nature playing roulette.

when did i ever say i was special id di not really beive it but if it was true that was what i thought the cause was.

Another Jay Leno special...

i never said that.

So maybe you better spend more time writing what you say, and be clear, and double check. Just be courteous towards other people reading your posts.

fact what i am doing is studying science unlike u.

Ouch you got me, that hurts, lol.

i think u are ignoring a scientific fact that gay people have the same sexual behavior as straight people gay

Let's try the definitions again. Humping - sexual act, who you hump - sexual orientation.

the fruit flys also did u know they had a scientific experiment the fruit flys where not born with it they changed the synpess strength in the fruit flys i bet u dont even know what that means.

I'm glad you still contemplating fruit flies. Keep thinking.

 

[Fire Haired]

By length of this post it is obvious you can't control your nature. You can say, in your standard long blablabla, that it is not true, but your actions speak louder.

Anyway without much of my blabla, didn't they turned flies gay or bi by switching GB gene? Can you give me a short answer? We don't need a novel again.

I can control my nature ur not a Psychologist why are u using that to help ur argument. I apologize for being so angry towards alright i will stop now. U know humans have free choose like with controlling how they talk dont u i dont think we need to argue about this.

What they did was change the regulator in the synpass by genetic manipulation or drugs. The fruit flys where not born like that the Scientists did it to them. I dont know exactly what they did also they did not turn them gay they said the fruit flys treated male fruit flys excatley the same as female ones when it comes to sex thats all.

I dont think either of us understand Genetic Manipulation or Synpass strength. What i can conclude on this is that the attraction those male fruit fly's had for other males was based on male attraction for females. They where not using female anything from what i know. Everything they did to the males is also what they did to females so it is male sexuality.

The leader of the study said it may have been a overreaction to sexual stimil what ever sexual stimil is. I think there needs to be way more studies on this the article called it a gay gene when it was put in by scientists not by nature. also it was not a gay gene it caused them to use their male sexuality on each other it was not a diff type than they already had.

plus the study was done by people from UIC. That is a very liberal college they are going to want to go more on the gay side. That is very true not matter how much u want to deny it. I am not saying their liers but u need to study it on ur own don't believe a title(which is trying to get attention like all media titles) to a article really figure out on ur own what the study showed.

And you cited all contrary to your views material and called it biased. How come all the scientists don't share your point of view? Is it a case that at age of 15 you are not understanding all facts and implications?

The article was made to say homosexuality is completely natural with no choice. Of course it was biased dont u agree. That is not all scientists that was just the ones that one author showed. I think i understand the facts about this study from what i have seen all u do is quote the title of a article that trys to get attention and u did not actulley study what it was.

Aside the fact that your sentence makes little logic, you didn't explain why I'm pro gay if I can't even look at two gay kissing.

Ur pro gay because u say people are born gay. u try to make every little thing fit ur perfect world. U say all sexual choose is 100% natural when it comes to gender u say it is impossible to pervert so that the idea that gay people are not naturally gay is not possible. Every psychologist who studies perverts would dis agree with u. Then when i bring up humans who have sex with animals or people who rape little kids or animals that rape humans. U either ignore it or say they have a mental problem but how does a mental problem cause people do do something u say is impossible.

I want to make this clear people have alot of sexual choose they can be attracted to the gender they are not biologically suppose to be. U argue that is not true because if it was it would hurt ur argument. U also want to take out the perverted and sick side of homosexuality that has always been there. U want to say they are all 100% innocent even that guy who had mental problems and threaten my dad's life and raped a child u still dont belive he is a pervert. Or those guys who rape other men in prison even though they where completely straight and say they do it because they had no women. u still say their gay or bi u make ur own definitions based on psychology u mad up to fit ur idea about homosexuality.

u have no Psychological evidence that if someone has one tiny gay temptation their at least bi. Do u think sandusky is bi for raping little boys i think he is just a pervert. U say u belive in sexual choose but when it comes down to diff gender it is impossble the only reason is it does not fit ur argument u are being very stubborn about such a simple fact perverts exist. U theory will cause u to defend sick perverts throughout history like Nero or Sandusky from Penn state.

That's what I mean that you are special. Everyone else thinks different than you.

No u and the liberal world thinks everyone is like u. U know that almost half of the voter did not vote for Obama. There are many many people who would agree with me. The media uses its power to make america more libearl. and u think that is okay. When people with my opinion are possed as un tolerant bigets who want to cut the heads off of gay people and are raciest. even though all of that is not true. Dont u think it is wrong such a large portion of the american population is mis represented on american media. Why would u support that if every station was like fox news i would not support that. i dont support fox new period i dont like how they are biased.

This shows u grew up in a liberal world u think everyone thinks like u. I grow up in one of the most liberal world i am used of being the only person with an opinon.

Maybe because I'm old and have seen a lot and you're just 15 and mostly full of christian dogma.

U can say i am full of Christian dogma and u are defintley full of Liberal dogma and anti Christian mind set. I thought of all of these arguments on my own i have argued this issue with my family so many times they think there is some type of gay gene but are against gay marriage. I had a huge argument with 3 of my brothers, 1 cousin, grand parents, my mom's cousin, and sister. On this issue they all pushed towards some type of gay gene at the end some agreeed with me. What i am trying to say is no one taught me this argument sure the motivation behind it is from my Christian backround in a way.

I have heard ur exact arguments from other people before so i know it is not completely original not saying that makes it worse. U are going off of Liberal rules and dogma in ur opinion there is no way anyone can pervert because that destroys ur idea on homosexuals because that means they might be perverting. u ignore people who are attracted to animals or little kids and give the excuse of a brain issue but how does that explain the sexual part it destroys ur idea people cant pervert. i have heard people give those exact arguments. U ignore the creepy history of homosexuality and those people in prison to fit ur perfect world. U try to make everything fit ur ideals.

Did you show the dog perverted movies?

no i gave u a link of a dog who raped a two year old girl and the cops found his seman in side of her after the mom called the cops. U try to ignore human motor sexuals because it does not agree with ur idea about it is impossible to go agianst ur nature.

Yes, we know your people and left them in times of Dark Ages and Spanish Inquisition. I guess some escaped...

I dont know what u know who i call my people. We are not raciest, not hateful against different people like u think. Christianity like the most non hateful religion and not raciest at all it repeats in the Bible so many times it is for all nations. U think ur more tolerant than me ur tolerance is just different. I think homosexuality is wrong that does not make me un tolerant. U think a grown men having relationships with 5 year old's is wrong would if someone though different. U think someone in a loving relationship with a dog is wrong maybe some dont. They can call u un tolernt maybe now u get my point.

Think we are archaic or neanderthal. People like me think u guys went way to far ur ideas and hatefulness against tradition and religion go way to far. Ur mind set is just wrong u control our media but u blame us and don't even care. u are so hateful of the past and forget about all of it. u barley care about morals just look at modern tv shows and ur over confident.

I don't want to be like people in the dark ages i want to take out the mistakes u guys made and bring back the good from the past u want to take out. And make a better world. and this world is not full of prejudice, hate, and un tolerance like u think. It does want to get ride of terrible morals, high divorce rate, high suicide rate, and extremely individualistic(letting everyone do what ever they want with no limits when they go to far), hate for the past the 1960's created.

i want to make it clear i am not about just destroying other people and prejudice. u guys blame us for that even though i see u doing the same against us.

Shit, you've broke your rules again.

i know i have. It is not like u have not u have been insulting me this whole time acting like a stubborn know it all. and througing insults left and right. form the stuff u are saying and ur whole mind set if is like u learned from so many people i have meet.

Have you ever considered the fact that actually you might be wrong?

not that much but i have researched unlike u. I know u have not considered u are wrong mainly with the Psychological factor to Sexual orientation. Which u ignore because it destroys ur idea about homosexuality. We have two diff opinion i dont think either of us have really considered being wrong.

Congratulation on a visions but it is not going to happen. First of all, you can barely communicate with people using words. Not a very good trait to excite people to action.
Secondly, most people will hate your vision of the country.

I guess people like u wont agree. But others wont well i guess u think everyone has ur opinion.

More reason to reflect on your points of view. Overconfidence and erratic thinking had lead you to wrong conclusions.

No they have not. Just look at the way u talk almost everything u say is a snobby insult. Plus u ignore the psychological impact on homosexuality which is so obviously true. u ignore anything contrary to ur liberal mindset.

If you were 100% heterosexual you wouldn't have any difficulties to understand that it is impossible to change sides. If you think you are, try to get an erection thinking about handsome man. How did it go?
If it comes to your blabla nature it is very hard to write something short to the point, but not impossible.

It is not impossible to change side u are stubborn about this part of the human mind but i doubt u are on other issues. i know this goes against ur liberal world i have heard these same arguments from other lifetime liberals. u cant win this side of the argument basic knowledge will go against u. I have given u so much evidence yet u ignore. also can u stop accusing me of being gay or what ever and u say i am insulting u looks like u doing alot of insulting too. it is people like u who accuse the whole world of being gay just like one of my teachers or if anyone is against gay marriage u say their a homophobe then say their gay. u think every gay or bi person is going by their nature and ignore anything that says their not perfect.

Well then, what are you afraid of? Otherwise read again your sentence. When you are a politician (on a mission to change the rotten world), Jay Leno and others will eat you alive first.

I dont care what jay leno or ur media says. There the ones i would show the world first their the main problem(not really jay leno). I am not saying our world is totally messed up what i am saying is people from the hippie mind set like u have gone way to far. U are so anti past and hateful against religion and morals. Ur whole mind set in my opinion causes alot of hate towards people like me and and is too controlling reminds me of communism.

Plus people from ur mind set rule our media and make my people look like haters when i dont want to be and i am not. I see a insult against people with my opinion every day on almost every tv show. We are mis repented they want to control the country in that way. all u do is give a snobby response even though u know un justice is happening. U show just as much hate and prejudice as u say i show u are not as tolerant as u say. Please dont give another one of ur snobby anti religious remarks to this. and ignore what i am telling u by assumptions and criticize on off subject things and not directly respond to what i am saying


[/QUOTE]How many times I have to point you into understanding that movements of humping is one thing and what you hump is completely different.
Sexual act - humping.
What you hump - sexual orientation.
Can you see the difference between these two concepts and definitions?[/QUOTE]

first of all sexual orientation is just what someone is attracted to. Also the fruit flys they put those drugs and other things into where treating males sexual exactly the same as females. Not just humping that is not my only point their mental attidue they way they look at each other all of that is the same as straight. Gay's have the same sexuality not just the humping action or hormones as straights. They dont get it from a female think or the other way around. So in my opinion that means there is no gay gene it bases its sexuality on normal heterosexuality. which also means in my opinion there is no way they are naturally gay. They are just doing something to the normal heterosexuality.

I'm glad you still contemplating this research. Perhaps there is a gay gene?

i am not exactly complementing it i am studying it. i study this stuff instead of just listening to what goes with what u think.

You can bank on it. But wait, they will be all biased.

Yey they probably will. libearls ignore the fact of how biased our media and education system is. and say it is all fox news.

I'm the walking evidence. After 50 years bombarded by liberal christian and other liberal media and liberal movies I'm still 100% straight man with not even one temptation with same sex.
Tell me how is this possible?

Of course that is possible it is more likely than the other way. The fact is that people can pervert i dont why u ignore the evidence. where do u think the word pervert came from oh wait let me guess hateful people from the 1800's who wanted to defend their children or sisters agianst rapist. The psychological factors of sexual orientation are very obvious.

Excellent material to learn psychology.

i know it is easy to say that about a TV show. I have had friends who say they never had a gay thought but after hearing my 68 year old teacher say well how do i know i am not gay samething happened with Andy it eventulley gave him gay temptatins. it is one of the many psychological factors i think that office episode repents it pretty well.

Similar thing. Wrong neuronal connection making men sexually excited on sight of little girls. Also psychopaths are people getting sexually excited on sight of human torture and suffering. Brain hardwired the wrong way. Genetic mistake.
We don't need devil or perversion. Just stupid nature playing roulette.

U dont have enough evidence to say that is what all perverts are. and where is the evidence a type of brain would natural be attracted to human torture that is just a mental problem added on to sexuality like someone with that problem is more likely to talk to a chair or whatever. Or like no one is naturally a alcoholic just some people have a personality type or something in their body that makes them way more addicted to alcohol.

Maybe the human body adapted to alcohol but i think it is only been hear since farming so native Americans did not get it till like 300 years ago and their huge alcoholics from what i know actulley there is a hug native american center by my house. My parents know people there my dad said the native american guys are alcoholics and are wicked bar fighters.

Let's try the definitions again. Humping - sexual act, who you hump - sexual orientation.

the fact is that humping is for males to put sperm in female egg it is heterosexual. also the bi fruit flys(they where not born bi scientific drugs and other stuff) treated females and males the exact same way sexually. So their sexuality is from the male side not female. gay's don't have sexuality it seems from the other gender either they perverted it psychological or a way i see as impossible they for some reason want to do reproductive stuff on the same gender.

Which creates no offspring i dont see how that can happen in nature or how it would help evolution. Possibly their is something that makes them more likely to be more sexual or it is some how like alcoholics. Or like what that guy said over reaction to sexual stimili.

I'm glad you still contemplating fruit flies. Keep thinking.

i will also i apologize for my attitude it is hard to stop but i am not letting my self stop sorry. i dont want to create hard feelings between us.

 

[LeBrok]

Sorry I don't have will nor time to go through your novels again. What is the problem keeping this stuff short to the point?

U can say i am full of Christian dogma and u are defintley full of Liberal dogma and anti Christian mind set. I thought of all of these arguments on my own i have argued this issue with my family so many times they think there is some type of gay gene but are against gay marriage. I had a huge argument with 3 of my brothers, 1 cousin, grand parents, my mom's cousin, and sister. On this issue they all pushed towards some type of gay gene at the end some agreeed with me. What i am trying to say is no one taught me this argument sure the motivation behind it is from my Christian backround in a way.

I'm so tired of your whindy arguments, super long posts, and incorrect observation that I'm considering the same as your family, to agree with you just to stop you talking.

first of all sexual orientation is just what someone is attracted to.

Duh, finally.

not that much but i have researched unlike u. I know u have not considered u are wrong mainly with the Psychological factor to Sexual orientation. Which u ignore because it destroys ur idea about homosexuality. We have two diff opinion i dont think either of us have really considered being wrong.

This is a perfect example of your jumping to conclusions, not realizing all possibilities, and pure arrogance.
In my life I was on both sides of this issue. Did you?
I've analyzed this problem, and guess what, I went against my original supposition.
This is how research and science is done. You go where the clues lead you to, against your feelings, religion, wants and wishes.
On your defence you have your extremely young age with feelings overwhelming logical functions of your brain. Plus 15 years of biblical education, and we know how bible helped science through history.

 

[Fire Haired]

Sorry I don't have will nor time to go through your novels again. What is the problem keeping this stuff short to the point?

I'm so tired of your whindy arguments, super long posts, and incorrect observation that I'm considering the same as your family, to agree with you just to stop you talking.


This is a perfect example of your jumping to conclusions, not realizing all possibilities, and pure arrogance.
In my life I was on both sides of this issue. Did you?
I've analyzed this problem, and guess what, I went against my original supposition.
This is how research and science is done. You go where the clues lead you to, against your feelings, religion, wants and wishes.

u have had a clear biased since the begging. windy arguments i give very real arguments i can say the same to u. for making so much stuff up about human psychology to fit ur idea of homosexuals and not taking the fact that they have the same sexual behavour into any consideration. it has been good arguing with u honestly hopefully ur not finished but it is alright if u are.

 

[frankmiller11]

i am completly fine with the same sex marriage.
if the two persons like each other and then there is no problem. They are build that way what can we do about it.

 

[Fire Haired]

i am completly fine with the same sex marriage.
if the two persons like each other and then there is no problem. They are build that way what can we do about it.

the argument is are they really built that way. There has to be limitations like on attraction to animals on children why not limitation on gay marriage. I am fine living in a country that allows it but i defintley oppose it i guess that kind off goes along with freedoms but might be pushing it a little to far from freedom to un moral.

 

[Sennevini]

Maybe I should let the subject rest, but, there is a difference between gay relationships and things with children and animals The first one is, as a straight relationship is, built on consensus between both partners.
You can't have consensus from children, from animals. Therefore such combinations are not ok. From all law, there will and can never be a further legalisation of such combinations, because it does not involve consensus from both sides; the child or animal is abused in such.
People can only marry of course if both are able to agree.