Omino
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None historian ever claimed that, you shouldn't make up stuff to cover up your obsessions
Genetic study A genetic history of the Balkans from Roman frontier to Slavic migrations
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Three years ago, Pantelis Haralampakis
(Παντελής
Χαραλαμπάκης) published his
book entitled
Σλάβοι στην Κρήτη κατά τον Με
-σαίωνα και τους πρώιμους νεότερους χρόνους
(Ιστορικά και γλωσσικά τεκμήρια) [Slavs on
Crete in the Middle Ages and the Early Modern
Times (Historical and Linguistic Evidence)],
Andy’s Publishers, Athens 2016, pp. 340.
We intend to discuss not only the contents
of the book, but also the conclusions offered
by the author and what he managed to accom
plish through his work.
PETER CHARANIS
ON THE DEMOGRAPHY OF MEDIEVAL GREECE: A PROBLEM SOLVED
The Slavs then who settled in the Greek lands, settled there during thereign of Maurice in the 80’s of the sixth century. More Slavs may have comelater, but their coming cannot be precisely documented. The Slavs settled inMacedonia, in Thessaly, in Epirus, in central Greece, the Peloponnese, andeven in Crete.
Who are those Byzantines? I don't recall having Byzantine samples from Greece?
Omino
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Seriously dude?
You're talking about Slavic settlements,would you mind mentioning anyone?
PS
Did you now understand that eastern European admixture and Slavic admixture are two different things?
Omino
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Byzantine era samples*,you can find them in Davidski's file
They match with Mycenaeans and the IA/Archaic Greece samples(Kastrouli,Palace of Nestor etc)
The ancient Balkan samples indicate the extra Steppe is ancient Balkan as well (E-V13 and J2b-L283 related) which makes perfectly sense as I have already mentioned.
We know how ancient Balkans were, we have plenty of samples and it seems there was a genetic continuum in the area. Why we should find a classic or hellenistic Greek profile, significantly richer in Steppe than the Mycenaean and post-Mycenaean samples we already have?
Omino
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Eastern European ancestry is "now balkan as well"
Wth are you talking about my dear?
"Why we should find a classic or hellenistic Greek profile, significantly richer in Steppe than the Mycenaean and post-Mycenaean samples we already have?"
If you can't understand how nonsensical is to ask why Classical and Hellenistic samples are needed
It's obvious that you don't care about science,your confirmation bias is astonishing
I think it is very simple. We are talking about extra Steppe, Yamnaya-related ancestry. It came with Slavs and ancient Balkanic peoples.
You say a greater part of it than we think was ancient Greek. What makes you believe that? The data we have say the opposite.
Abdera is from Thrace, assuming the naming is correct. SLK1 is probably Hellenistic Thessaloniki but I don't think he is Anatolian admixed either he looks half between other Greeks and Sicilians probably due to having higher than average steppe (there are Greeks who are next to Minoans too). So this is how Classic Greeks looked like genetically:
Why a Greek of 500 BC would have significantly higher Steppe than a Pelponnesian and a Sterea Ellas Greek of 900 or 800 BC if we also think that more northern peoples like south Thracians and Peonians did not have much more STeppe than Greeks?
Omino
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The problem is that you didn't write about the extra steppe in your post above.
You literally copy pasted about the total eastern European ancestry.
"You say a greater part of it than we think was ancient Greek."
The extra steppe admixture is ancient Greek????
Wth are you talking about my dear,you don't make any sense.
Omino
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This is why we need more samples
Stop embarrassing yourself dude
Omino
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Too many assumptions about one individual sample from an unpublished study my dearAbdera is from Thrace, assuming the naming is correct. SLK1 is probably Hellenistic Thessaloniki but I don't think he is Anatolian admixed either he looks half between other Greeks and Sicilians probably due to having higher than average steppe (there are Greeks who are next to Minoans too). So this is how Classic Greeks looked like genetically:
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No. What's backed by irrefutable evidence is that the modern Greek genetic profile was already emerging during the middle and late bronze age. Despite the fact that all of these samples come from southern Greece we now have 22 bronze aged samples that look like modern Greeks which absolutely dismantles the idea that steppe rich ancestry had become normalized only after 700AD. At this point the idea that Greeks harbor any significant amount of Slavic ancestry is looking like a fairy tale akin to some Slavic version of Nordicism. What we instead see is the genetic variation of modern Greece already found as present by the late bronze age, with modern northerly profiles being found even as far as Crete, but especially more so in the mainland.
If you don't believe me you can check out the samples yourself. I only used the distance function to remove any possible modelling bias.
You embarrass yourself by being rude just because you don't like my opinion.
If you can give a solid argument why a classic Greek has significantly more Steppe than the post-Mycenaean mainland Greek samples and the same or even more than south Thracians I will be convinced. (Not to mention that recent studies indicate the ancient balkan-related ancestry of e-v13)
Otherwise, you can respond with some more insults
Good thing we have 6 others plotting like Mycenaeans.
Omino
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Obviously one sample from a random screenshot from an unpublished study is better than several samples from several publisher studies that match with their predecessors from the same geographical area
Are you doubting the screenshot?
We all know that Proto-Greek speakers, carried high Steppe related ancestry which was diluted by mixing with locals.
If you don't mind I would like more info about these BA samples
Omino
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Are you really asking me why i can't take seriously a sample that we only know about through a screenshot?