Austrian Avars,20+ C2a-F3830 samples

[ZZZZ1111]

At least it proves that Avar in Austria belongs to the more typical donghu people, 20 in total, plus an O2-F46 he married in,
These are labeled LEO samples
The Austrian Servant Army is labeled MGS, which is the locals,These two groups did not intermarry, and high-level tombs still have a high level of NorthEast Asian ancestry.

 

[ZZZZ1111]

23mofang will soon announce the royal ancient DNA about Mongol, Turks, post-Xiongnu, Rouran, etc. There is a high probability that they all belong to C2a-L1373. After that, the original Turkic branch may become marginalized. C2 is an ancient and unique branch, with extremely strong combat effectiveness, is the absolute protagonist of Inner Asia

 

[Hawk]

23mofang will soon announce the royal ancient DNA about Mongol, Turks, post-Xiongnu, Rouran, etc. There is a high probability that they all belong to C2a-L1373. After that, the original Turkic branch may become marginalized. C2 is an ancient and unique branch, with extremely strong combat effectiveness, is the absolute protagonist of Inner Asia

I thought the earliest Turkics belonged to Y-DNA Q?

 

[Riverman]

The more Balkan-shifted Csokorgasse group, which was dominated by E-V13, had some elite burials too. They might have been some allies of the Avars proper of some kind, probably. One of them is about half Avar (1/4 East Asian, 1/4 Caucasian) and half of this clan. So his father likely married an elite bride from the East to confirm the alliance or something like that.

While FTDNA hasn't analysed the Avar samples yet, TheYtree does provide us with some kind of preliminary results which are highly interesting.

First off, there is indeed one big CTS9320 clan it seems, and all downstream assigned individuals are:
E-BY4518 -> E-TY507088

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This haplogroup is widespread in moderns, among others Austrians, Hungarians, Slovaks, Poles etc. At first look it looks distinctly Vekerzug-associated and possibly spread with both Celts and Romans, plus apparently Avars.

Other downstream assigned branches are:

E-FT356146 =

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Very rare, among others German and Armenians, could be Vekerzug/Sarmatian associated as well.

A larger group of samples might be assigned to:
E-L241 -> E-BY5682

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Unfortunately, only one could be assigned that far, the others are either stuck at S2979 or L241, but this is likely a second clan group of Csokorgasse at first glance. The distribution is fairly wide, similar to E-TY507088.

Since there was yet another branch identified before, we deal with 4 lineages in total, of which two seem to have multiple members. A lot of the samples couldn't be assigned downstream by them, we'll see what FTDNA can achieve with the data set.

The general distribution of these haplogroups looks to me, at first glance, rather Central European centered.

 

[Riverman]

Csokorgasse being associated with Avaric settlement, not Slavic, and was one of the oldest Avar settlements in Eastern Austria investigated:

Besides for sex differences, the stable isotope analysis results were also checked
for differences between the ethnic groups. Here, Leobersdorf, Zwölfaxing, and
Wien-Csokorgasse are treated as Avaric sites, while Pitten and Pottenbrunn are
treated as Slavic sites. The results from this ethnic analysis are listed in Table 20
and Figure 31.

From the papers I read they seem to have had a somewhat higher life expectancy than the people from the compared Slavic settlements, ate more animal proteins and had a higher proportion of regular horse riders, especially among males:

The highly significant differences between the two ethnic groups in both δ15N and
δ13C are striking and require further investigation. One possible reason for the
differences in δ15N can be to varying nutrition habits. The significantly lower δ15N
values of the Slavic populations compared to the Avaric populations could be
caused by a more limited access to animal protein. From archaeological findings
such as animal bones it is assumed that the proportion of meat incorporated in the
diet of the Avars was higher compared to the proportion of meat in the diets of the
Slavic settlers inhabiting this area in the following medieval period (information
obtained from Dr. Falko Daim, Römisch-Germanisches Zentralmuseum, Mainz,
Germany, on personal request in May 2006).

From the stable isotope analysis and its evaluation we have to conclude that the
females of all investigated sites of the Avars and Slavs had a consistently and
statistically significant lower dietary intake of animal protein relative to plant
protein compared to their male contemporaries. Consequently, their access to meat
and secondary animal products such as eggs and dairies was more limited
compared to their male contemporaries. Although no conclusion about the
absolute amount of protein intake (including plant proteins) of the females of the
investigated samples can be drawn from these results, more limited access to
animal food sources has several consequences concerning dietary intake of such
nutrients as iron, vitamin B12, vitamin D and amino acids.

Only among the individuals from Wien-Csokorgasse women
had an eight months longer life expectancy.

This is not due to lower male, but higher female life expectancy compared to the Slavic sites. The Slavic females had a significantly lower life expectancy.

Source:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://services.phaidra.univie.ac.at/api/object/o:1256655/download&ved=2ahUKEwi8r4myvOmJAxWeBdsEHWZ5HAEQFnoECAsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2on5YouzGYVOvchiLRUZhZ

 

[kingdavid]

Riverman
I also hope ftdna will upload the samples
The single e-m123>m34>m84 case
(MGS294)
from Mödling is important to the e-m84 downstream tree structure

 

[ZZZZ1111]

我以为最早的突厥人属于 Y-DNA Q？

probably not

 

[ZZZZ1111]

The more Balkan-shifted Csokorgasse group, which was dominated by E-V13, had some elite burials too. They might have been some allies of the Avars proper of some kind, probably. One of them is about half Avar (1/4 East Asian, 1/4 Caucasian) and half of this clan. So his father likely married an elite bride from the East to confirm the alliance or something like that.

While FTDNA hasn't analysed the Avar samples yet, TheYtree does provide us with some kind of preliminary results which are highly interesting.

First off, there is indeed one big CTS9320 clan it seems, and all downstream assigned individuals are:
E-BY4518 -> E-TY507088

E-BY4518 YTree

www.yfull.com

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This haplogroup is widespread in moderns, among others Austrians, Hungarians, Slovaks, Poles etc. At first look it looks distinctly Vekerzug-associated and possibly spread with both Celts and Romans, plus apparently Avars.

Other downstream assigned branches are:

E-FT356146 =

E-Y211854 YTree

www.yfull.com

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Very rare, among others German and Armenians, could be Vekerzug/Sarmatian associated as well.

A larger group of samples might be assigned to:
E-L241 -> E-BY5682

E-BY5682 YTree

www.yfull.com

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Unfortunately, only one could be assigned that far, the others are either stuck at S2979 or L241, but this is likely a second clan group of Csokorgasse at first glance. The distribution is fairly wide, similar to E-TY507088.

Since there was yet another branch identified before, we deal with 4 lineages in total, of which two seem to have multiple members. A lot of the samples couldn't be assigned downstream by them, we'll see what FTDNA can achieve with the data set.

The general distribution of these haplogroups looks to me, at first glance, rather Central European centered.

They probably came from the Caucasus Mountains, which is why many Semitic and Caucasian paternal

 

[Riverman]

They probably came from the Caucasus Mountains, which is why many Semitic and Caucasian paternal

No, they were from the Carpatho-Balkan sphere, likely from somewhere along the Tisza and/or Danube. Dominated by E-V13 and Balkan-like autosomal profile, there can be little doubt about that.
There were Caucasian individuals, but more so in other groups and unrelated to this tribe/clan group.

We found similar V13 dominated people in Eastern Hungary, both along the Danube and the Tisza up the Avar period. These were the local people there even before the Scythians.

 

[kingdavid]

At least it proves that Avar in Austria belongs to the more typical donghu people, 20 in total, plus an O2-F46 he married in,
These are labeled LEO samples
The Austrian Servant Army is labeled MGS, which is the locals,These two groups did not intermarry, and high-level tombs still have a high level of NorthEast Asian ancestry.
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beside all the C cases at that site
did you also notice that 1 individual of the Avars from Leobersdorf
LEO120
was under y haplogroup O
cool

LEO120 - O-MF140918 / H1 - 祖源树TheYtree

祖源树TheYtree样本：LEO120

www.theytree.com