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According to the last book of the Avesta's book of Vendidad, Zarathushtra was born in Bactria, SouthCentral Asia.
But how true is that?
The last Vendidad (Vidēvdād) was written in an young Avestan and thousands of years after the birth of Zarathustra. The Vendidad is thought to be a Magi-influenced composition. And it's well known that Magi were a religious-class of the Medes.
The problem is that Vendidad was written by the East Iranic speaking people. Those wrote it didn't even mention West Iranian tribes such as the Medes, Persians, or even Parthians.
I've the feeling that they have tried to change the birthplace of Zarathustra, 1500 years after he was born.
In modern scholarship Zarathushtra is often dated to the 1000 BCE. Right after the Mitanni era and in the middle of the Median era.
About Magi
" The ancient Magi were a hereditary priesthood of the Medes credited with profound and extraordinary religious knowledge. After some Magi, who had been attached to the Median court, proved to be expert in the interpretation of dreams, Darius the Great established them over the state religion of Persia. It was in this dual capacity whereby civil and political counsel was invested with religious authority, that the Magi became the supreme priestly caste of the Persian Empire, and continued to be prominent during the subsequent Seleucid, Parthian, and Sasanian periods. "
https://www.geni.com/projects/Zoroastrianism-Magi/13185
Ans West Iranian sources are claiming that Zarathusta was born somewhere around Urmia, eastern Kurdistan.
Also Mithraism pre-date the Zoroasrianism and Mithraism was native to West Asia/Mesopotamia.
Zoroastrians not only borrowed a lot from the West Asian Median Magi, but also from the Mesopotamian Mithraism.
" And the greatest of all his many debts to Zoroastrian scholarship is owed to the following passage from von Hellwald: “Zarathustra… was born into the city of Urmia by the same-named lake. In his thirtieth year of life he left the homeland and moved East to the province Aria and occupied himself for ten years in the loneliness of the mountain range, busying himself with the drafting of the Avesta. After this time had passed he wandered away…” Between 1881 and 1885 von Hellwald’s introduction to the Persian prophet undergoes the following transformations at Nietzsche’s hand; first as an unpublished fragment (Sils-Maria, August 26, 1881): “Zarathustra, born at Lake Urmi, left his home in his thirtieth year and went into the province of Arya and composed the Zend-Avesta in the ten years of his solitude.” This in turn gets published as: “When Zarathustra was thirty years old, he left his home and Lake Urmi and went into the mountains. There he enjoyed his spirit and his solitude, and for ten years did not tire of that. But at last his heart changed… thus Zarathustra began to go under” (The Gay Science, 1882); then as, “When Zarathustra was thirty years old, he left his home and the lake of his home and went into the mountains. There he enjoyed his spirit and his solitude, and did not tire of that for ten years. But at last his heart changed… thus Zarathustra began to go under” (Thus Spoke Zarathustra, 1885). Note how Nietzsche retains the reference to Urmi (in north-western Iran) until the very last draft, in which it is replaced by ‘lake of his home’ – thereby creating a calculated distance between the final incarnation of his protagonist and the historical Zoroaster. "
https://philosophynow.org/issues/93/Nietzsches_Dance_With_Zarathustra
According to my people, the Ezdi Kurds, Zoroaster belonged to the Ezdi priest class (Magi class) and some disagreement he was an outcast from Kurdistan and migrated into Bactria.
Also East Iranian people have a lot of non Western Asian Y-DNA haplogroups, like hg. H*, H1, L* and L3a. If there was a migration from SouthCentral Asia, then there would be lot's of this haplogroups in West Asia. And that's not the case, while there is a lot West Asian Y-DNA and auDNA in SouthCentral Asia.
But how true is that?
The last Vendidad (Vidēvdād) was written in an young Avestan and thousands of years after the birth of Zarathustra. The Vendidad is thought to be a Magi-influenced composition. And it's well known that Magi were a religious-class of the Medes.
The problem is that Vendidad was written by the East Iranic speaking people. Those wrote it didn't even mention West Iranian tribes such as the Medes, Persians, or even Parthians.
I've the feeling that they have tried to change the birthplace of Zarathustra, 1500 years after he was born.
In modern scholarship Zarathushtra is often dated to the 1000 BCE. Right after the Mitanni era and in the middle of the Median era.
About Magi
" The ancient Magi were a hereditary priesthood of the Medes credited with profound and extraordinary religious knowledge. After some Magi, who had been attached to the Median court, proved to be expert in the interpretation of dreams, Darius the Great established them over the state religion of Persia. It was in this dual capacity whereby civil and political counsel was invested with religious authority, that the Magi became the supreme priestly caste of the Persian Empire, and continued to be prominent during the subsequent Seleucid, Parthian, and Sasanian periods. "
https://www.geni.com/projects/Zoroastrianism-Magi/13185
Ans West Iranian sources are claiming that Zarathusta was born somewhere around Urmia, eastern Kurdistan.
Also Mithraism pre-date the Zoroasrianism and Mithraism was native to West Asia/Mesopotamia.
Zoroastrians not only borrowed a lot from the West Asian Median Magi, but also from the Mesopotamian Mithraism.
" And the greatest of all his many debts to Zoroastrian scholarship is owed to the following passage from von Hellwald: “Zarathustra… was born into the city of Urmia by the same-named lake. In his thirtieth year of life he left the homeland and moved East to the province Aria and occupied himself for ten years in the loneliness of the mountain range, busying himself with the drafting of the Avesta. After this time had passed he wandered away…” Between 1881 and 1885 von Hellwald’s introduction to the Persian prophet undergoes the following transformations at Nietzsche’s hand; first as an unpublished fragment (Sils-Maria, August 26, 1881): “Zarathustra, born at Lake Urmi, left his home in his thirtieth year and went into the province of Arya and composed the Zend-Avesta in the ten years of his solitude.” This in turn gets published as: “When Zarathustra was thirty years old, he left his home and Lake Urmi and went into the mountains. There he enjoyed his spirit and his solitude, and for ten years did not tire of that. But at last his heart changed… thus Zarathustra began to go under” (The Gay Science, 1882); then as, “When Zarathustra was thirty years old, he left his home and the lake of his home and went into the mountains. There he enjoyed his spirit and his solitude, and did not tire of that for ten years. But at last his heart changed… thus Zarathustra began to go under” (Thus Spoke Zarathustra, 1885). Note how Nietzsche retains the reference to Urmi (in north-western Iran) until the very last draft, in which it is replaced by ‘lake of his home’ – thereby creating a calculated distance between the final incarnation of his protagonist and the historical Zoroaster. "
https://philosophynow.org/issues/93/Nietzsches_Dance_With_Zarathustra
According to my people, the Ezdi Kurds, Zoroaster belonged to the Ezdi priest class (Magi class) and some disagreement he was an outcast from Kurdistan and migrated into Bactria.
Also East Iranian people have a lot of non Western Asian Y-DNA haplogroups, like hg. H*, H1, L* and L3a. If there was a migration from SouthCentral Asia, then there would be lot's of this haplogroups in West Asia. And that's not the case, while there is a lot West Asian Y-DNA and auDNA in SouthCentral Asia.
