Bush-bashing demonstration in New York

kochisho said:
I can't find all the URL's about the labor party (socialist) and workers (communist) funding the anti war movement. Its end of August and I'm busy doing my books. This proves one thing however. You guys only hear one side of the story and are sheep in a herd. I am not democrat or Republican. I voted for Ross Perots twice for President. I follow no sheppard but the Lord and make up my own mind on the issues.
I'm sorry, but I think that you are the sheep following the herd, blindly i might add. It's obvious that you are still suffering the blowback from 9/11, and are now beleiving all that Bush, liars, and Co. are telling you. You think the war was to prevent a threat to the US. Plzzzz. Firstly, Iraq was never a state with muslim extremism cuz it was a secular state under the Baath party, much like Syria. Secondly, now that the US has bad blood with the Saudis, it is looking for a new "friend" to station troops and to "install" democacy via a puppet government that would be under your guidance and tolerant to the existance and policies of Israel. Thirdly, Cheney and all major players in the administration have ties with corporations that are benefiting from the war somehow. Cheney gets fat cheks from Halliburton, main oil contractor in Iraq, Rumsfeld, Powell and the rest have ties with other corporations that make missiles, bombs, or fighter planes, such as Boeing and Lockheed Martin, who also has strong ties with Cheney's wife. Do you see the conflict of ineterest buddy ? Also one more thing. On september 11, the only plane that flew was a jet that piked up all the Bin Laden family members in US and flew them to Saudi Arabia. Some of them at the time were in a metting with the Carlyle group, headed by Frank Carlucci, ex CIA director, and other republicans.

kochisho said:
I ask why no one protests the Sudan genicide, Human rights in China and N Korea around the world, not just in America. No real answer speaks tells you its special interests that create this mass protests.

Are you comparing the US, pillar of Democracy and Morality in the world, with the communists you so much hate of China and North Korea?

kochisho said:
About Kosovo, the muslims been killing Serbs for years. They allied themselves with Hitler and fought against the allied forces. Kosovo was serb land stolen by the muslims. There were some war crimes being commited but helping al qaida' backed muslims fighters against the Serbs was totally wrong. I have to do my books now but I'll try to find you the story on the internet on how Tony Blair seen a B.S documentary on genicide by Serbs that caused him to call Clinton and get involved.

I didn't much care what you said before, but with this one you really stepped on my vein ( turkish saying :D ) means you hit my nerve. The Serbs were your great friends in WW2? Hmm, that's interesting, I don't think that they were much better than the Greeks and Albanians who fought against the Nazi's. Perhaps you are thinking of Tito and his partisans. Well Tito was a half slovene and half croat, not really a serb. Anyhow, Kosovo was never and is not Serb land. It was initally settled by the Illyrians, the modern day Albanians who streched from northern Greece until present day Slovenia. Kosovo was taken away from Mainland Albania amongst other territories after the Ottoman Empire collapsed. It was split from the Western Powers and given to Serbia because it was their ally against Austria, one of the losers of WW1. Anyways, if NATO had not stepped in, we would have seen another Bosnia. Did you happen to catch the Bosnian conflict. Live footage of women and children being sniped out by serb military as they went to food market. But that's ok right, cuz Serbs, as cruel as they were, and as many inhuman crimes as they made were your christian fellow buddies fighting against evil muslim Bosniaks. Let me tell you something about Balkan Muslims. They are not real followers, they dont pray 5 times of day, they drink, eat pork, and don't give a s**t about Islam. Their families converted when they were under the Ottoman Empire so that they wouldn't have to pay taxes and could get good positions under the Empire. Also who are these al qaida backed muslims? I hope you are not talking about the Albanians, who btw, 90% of them support the US, and who have troops in both Afganistan and Iraq, under the US led contigents. I love this line.There were some war crimes being commited but helping al qaida' backed muslims fighters against the Serbs was totally wrong. The KLA was never recognized as a Terrorist group. They were only fighters fighting off the oppression of your serb christian brothers who raped their wives, killed their husbands, and beat their children. Some human crimes? Hm removing 900, 000 people out their homes, raping women, and kiling the men along they way sounds like nothing to you. Also, part of the reason why NATO interviened in Kosovo was to prevent the dormant Albanian nationalism from rising, because the conflict could have then involved the ethnic Albanians in Macedonia, and even the Republic of Albania. BTW, arab muslims came into the Balkans only after the Serb extremism ripped up Bosnia in catastrophic terms. U christian allies sat back and watched in your TV dinners the live slaughter of Bosnian civilians, so these poor fellows accepted any aid the got, even if it was radical muslims, who btw, are not wanted around by the local population anymore.

kochisho said:
One question for the Americans that will be voting against Bush. Tell me, who are you voting for and why?

Why are you voting for Bush. Is it because you are winning the war on terror, which Bush said a couple of days ago that couldn't be won, and now changed back to it can be won, or because you are getting so econically wealthy and because the hate against you in the world has risen by a factor of 10.


kochisho said:
Bullshit. Read what McCain said tonight. We never compromised are allience with our friends like the way Germany and France did to us. Thats disgraceful. Japan did the right thing and stood with their friend. Along with Koream Poland, Dennmark, U.K, Australia, Italy and others. France and Germany think THEY are Europe. They aren't. Our military bases generate the ecomony near U.S bases in Germany. Well, we are going Hans, to Poland were we are wanted. With friends like those 2 Countries you don't need enemies.

Friends not always help you when you are about to do stupid s**t. Who cares, move your bases to where ever you want. Move them to Poland, Romania and Bulgaria, see how much fun your troops and personnel will have there. Poland, oh wow, your big bad new ally. Give me a break. Poland is still a poor country looking for financial benefits by supporting the US war. France and Germany are the core of Europe buddy. Financially and Culturally. If you don't know that, i'm sorry, you don't know anything. Then comes the rest, Italy, Spain, and whatever. Btw, France knows well the area of the middle east and Iraq, because they have been involved there for a long time. They predicted this would happen. You thought they would welcome you with American flags waving around. Who was right after all ?


One last thing. Since you are a valiant opposer of muslim extremism. Who do you think created Bin ladsky, your former ally in Afganistan? Ok ok, i'll tell you, it was you guys. Also, you installed the Talibans in power as well so they could get rid of that drug farm and brothel that you made of Afganistan after the Soviets pulled out. You got the Pakinstanis to support them with the financial backing of the Saudis. Your signature is very appropriate for this topic. I mean, didn't you gusy realize that the snake was gona bite you once you helped them into your house ? I don't see why the rest of the world has to pay for your dumb mistakes and inconsistent foreign policy, so don't be askin for allies to come in helping when you stick your head in the expanding jaws of the snake.
 
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Twisted Mac ~ Those are funny!! I especially love the one that says: "Kerry-Edwards: Where's the greed?" :D :D
 
Yeah, those are great, Mac! :bravo:
 
Duo wrote....
One last thing. Since you are a valiant opposer of muslim extremism. Who do you think created Bin ladsky, your former ally in Afganistan? Ok ok, i'll tell you, it was you guys. Also, you installed the Talibans in power as well so they could get rid of that drug farm and brothel that you made of Afganistan after the Soviets pulled out. You got the Pakinstanis to support them with the financial backing of the Saudis. Your signature is very appropriate for this topic. I mean, didn't you gusy realize that the snake was gona bite you once you helped them into your house ? I don't see why the rest of the world has to pay for your dumb mistakes and inconsistent foreign policy, so don't be askin for allies to come in helping when you stick your head in the expanding jaws of the snake.

I agree with you, I just ask that you be careful using the word "YOU". "You did this...." It's the American government who did it. This guy didn't do anything other than go along with the status quo.

Sorry, it's kind of a pet peave of mine. My friends in Japan would say the same things to me about America. I would say, "I agree with you, I (vocally) opposed what America was doing all along, so don't blame ME." It may be a small point, but I think it's an important one.
 
Point taken, but I was on a rant, so I didnt try to be more eloqouent. Anyways, apologies from my side. :bow:
 
jesus mary and joseph, i don't have the time to respond to all this. lol

lets just agree to disagree and have a beer when bush wins in november...lol
 
kochisho said:
jesus mary and joseph, i don't have the time to respond to all this. lol

lets just agree to disagree and have a beer when bush wins in november...lol
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MGD.

Ideologues always seems to demotivate themselves when facts push them to the ends of their ideologies, but I digress....no I don't LOLz!!!!111WTF
 
Curiously, polls do indicate that Bush will win in November. But polls can be wrong. We're in for a very close race.
 
Results of polls depend on the type of questions being asked and on the people being asked. Anyawys, I myself have not made a prediction yet, because it is still unclear what may happen until november.
 
I had a wave of fear come over me yesterday evening. A sudden gut feeling that Bush is going to be in charge(well, not really) another 4 years. I hope I'm wrong... :souka:
 
I fear that if Bush wins, America will be on a path to become a slightly less gung-ho version of Nazi-Germany. America is now only a few steps away from having parades with tanks and missile trucks in the streets. Power corrupts.

The world seemed to be making such possitive progress prior to Bush's presidency, and now it's negative progress. This election is so important for everyone. I fear for the future.
 
I'll bet everyone here on the forum that Kerry wins.

Trust me, my magic eightball told me so.
 
mad pierrot said:
I'll bet everyone here on the forum that Kerry wins.

Trust me, my magic eightball told me so.

Well, i hope you're right ... i love to travel to other countries and i fear for my ability to do so if Bush wins. However, some American demographics:

72% caucasian
13% african american
15% everything else

56% protestant
27% catholic
2% jewish
7% no religion

American religious christians will almost always vote republican. There you have it.
 
kochisho said:
jesus mary and joseph, i don't have the time to respond to all this. lol

lets just agree to disagree and have a beer when bush wins in november...lol

Lets Drink.
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Anyone want to put their money where their mouth is?

I accept PayPal, and all major credit cards.

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Any takers?
 
Were any of you following more of the stories on the RNC protests? I posted this link before, but here is a quoted portion from it as well:

Monday, August 30th, 2004
Crackdown: 400 Arrests as NYPD Unveil New Policing Tactics & Surveillance Methods

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/08/30/1512202

But the police are using sophisticated tactics. There are at least 200 police officers roaming the city that have cameras mounted on helmets that are beaming back, wirelessly, video images to the central command area they have set up called the Multi-Agency Coordination Center. Some 66 federal, state, local agencies working in coordination with each other. On a tactical level, what we're seeing in the streets is the police ? many of the police not identifying themselves in any way as police. In fact, Amy, you and I yesterday were at a protest of the mouse bloc where they were moving from theater to theater, in the theater district around Broadway, around 47th street. When the republican delegates would come out of their discounted theater shows, the mouse bloc would confront them and get into arguments with the Republican delegates as they were coming out. Well, as they ran around and made their way from theater to theater, a number of times, the police used tactics to cut them off, to split the march. One of the things they did, was to take orange fence-like -- a mesh -- orange mesh fence-like material and to literally surround the demonstrators with it. Anyone caught in the orange mesh netting was then arrested and was put onto city buses, New York City buses. One of the things that I thought was one of the most disturbing tactics is when we were moving up Broadway as the mouse bloc was moving to another Broadway show, the police came in on motorcycles, there was no identification that they were police whatsoever. They were actual motorcycles, they were wearing helmets that said Harley-Davidson. At first I thought it was a group of bikers who were coming to attack the protesters. And they drove the motorcycles into the middle of the crowds.

Also, I don't know if any of you happened to see any of the news reports on the detainment of the protestors in unsafe conditions in New York. I saw this report and found it to be quite startling:

* Guantanamo On the Hudson: Detained RNC Protesters Describe Prison Conditions *

We speak with detained protesters being held at New York's temporary holding facility, Pier 57. They describe the conditions of the holding facility saying it is crowded, dirty and contaminated with oil, causing rashes. And we speak with the lead organizer of the National Lawyers Guild's campaign to protect the rights of protesters.

Listen/Watch/Read
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/02/1454254


Apparently, the protesters were being held in a building that wasn't properly remediated for asbestos and who knows what else. I find this disturbing because a friend of mine just lost his dad to asbestos-related mesothelioma cancer. He's from Italy and I think he worked in glass works or something. The thing about asbestos is that it may take 25 years or more before any symptoms show up, and once they do, the person has about a two-year life expectancy. There's some success with drugs to extend life, but nothing so far to cure it, from what I understand. It's horrible. What's also scary is that the EPA determined Ground Zero to be full of asbestos. Just think of all those rescue workers and other people who were exposed to it on 9/11. :eek2:

Another thing the report linked above discusses is the fact that some of the people arrested weren't even protesting!! :eek2: The police weren't telling them to disperse or else. Instead, they were all being pushed together and then handcuffed. One woman said she had been shopping and was simply walking along the sidewalk. She even had her store receipt with her to prove it, but the police wouldn't even look at it.

Those incidents were truly appalling.
 
Lina Inverse said:
Sounds like the police are trying very hard to emulate the Gestapo of WWII... :okashii:

Yes, I agree. They have been for quite a while in this country. We even have some situations where you can win money by reporting a crime! There are even commercials about it on T.V. Rat out your neighbor and be rewarded. Kids even turning their parents in to the authorities for marijuana use, etc. Police cars are being outfitted in some areas with 360-degree radar. Also, some new cars are implanting a small microchip device in the windshields so that a police scan can detect where the person lives, if the car was registered, etc. Sadly, America has been turning into a police state for quite a while now. Add to that the fact that Ashcroft put through the U.S. Patriot Act, Homeland Security, etc. and even tried to implement Operation TIPS as well! And you've got the beginnings of a very scary place--Nazi America. :eek2:
 
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