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For me personally as a citizen of R.Macedonia,name like north Macedonia is acceptable, really not big deal there is many countries and regions around the world named South/North, however I am still skeptic as I think many people will oppose such a name on both sides,especially "nationalists".

there is no South Makedonia, and will be not as they claim ( politicians that propose the treaty)

there will be a North, the new one, the old Fyrom
and the ancient ones upper, low, but as in modern Greek West, Central, and East
Bulgaria looses the claims of the old Blent treaty of communistic era,
and tottaly loses every claim about word Makedonia
(for me it is good)

Linguistic,
Makedonian language for Skopjie identified as a Slavic family member
BUT
Makedonian dialect is a member of Greek family
!!!!!
So when I say Makedonian dialect, I speak about Greek, but when I say Makedonian language I will speak about a Slavic one?

nativity citizenship
Makedonian / Citizen of Severna Makedonia,
Greek type (*) / citizen of Greece

products,
example wine
Makedonian produced in Makedonia but product of Severna Makedonia Macedonsko
Makedonian produced in Makedonia but product of Greece Μακεδονικoς

it is just silly
biased fast solution, kids play,

something smells here I think.

I think energy lines will pass as it is programmed, and need something fast to enter area under NATO control
It is not strange the same time that more than 200 specialist agents arrive in a nearby country for watching ISIS reformation program.

Hives grow too much in Balkans, lately,
and strange things happen
 
there is no South Makedonia, and will be not as they claim ( politicians that propose the treaty)
there will be a North, the new one, the old Fyrom
and the ancient ones upper, low, but as in modern Greek West, Central, and East
Linguistic,
Makedonian language for Skopjie identified as a Slavic family member
BUT
Makedonian dialect is a member of Greek family
!!!!!
So when I say Makedonian dialect, I speak about Greek, but when I say Makedonian language I will speak about a Slavic one?
nativity citizenship
Makedonian / Citizen of Severna Makedonia,
Greek type (*) / citizen of Greece
products,
example wine
Makedonian produced in Makedonia but product of Severna Makedonia Macedonsko
Makedonian produced in Makedonia but product of Greece Μακεδονικoς
it is just silly
biased fast solution, kids play,
something smells here I think.
I think energy lines will pass as it is programmed, and need something fast to enter area under NATO control
It is not strange the same time that more than 200 specialist agents arrive in a nearby country for watching ISIS reformation program.
Hives grow too much in Balkans, lately
Well Macedonia want to be part of NATO and EU for decades but is blocked with veto from Greece cause of name dispute,and why always people bring ancient Macedonia,the region was known as Macedonia from 19th century onwards with clear boundaries,people got their identity through that region,we are not speaking here about ancient neither Roman provinces of Macedonia,ancient Macedonians are from much earlier history,like ancient Britons,or ancient Dalmatians and so on.The newly formed republic of Macedonia is not ancient Macedonia,history should be left to historians,about Macedonian language (Slavic one) all linguist in the world call it as such and they don't confuse it with ancient.To add something about your suggestion,yes maybe some NATO members push for solution of the name, is not important for me at all,however is about time both countries to normalize their relations. This is my own view which is not held by everyone,as we know people believe and learn whatever they teach them,the keys again are among the politicians.
 
Well Macedonia want to be part of NATO and EU for decades but is blocked with veto from Greece cause of name dispute,and why always people bring ancient Macedonia,the region was known as Macedonia from 19th century onwards with clear boundaries,people got their identity through that region,we are not speaking here about ancient neither Roman provinces of Macedonia,ancient Macedonians are from much earlier history,like ancient Britons,or ancient Dalmatians and so on.The newly formed republic of Macedonia is not ancient Macedonia,history should be left to historians,about Macedonian language (Slavic one) all linguist in the world call it as such and they don't confuse it with ancient.To add something about your suggestion,yes maybe some NATO members push for solution of the name, is not important for me at all,however is about time both countries to normalize their relations. This is my own view which is not held by everyone,as we know people believe and learn whatever they teach them,the keys again are among the politicians.

Milan the only few hostile acts happened at 1990's
with the 7 days embargo by Greece, and the attacks on Greek busses and cars in Ohrid and Skopjie by Fyromians,
today there is no hostility among majority of people,
I personally pass the borders 10 times per year, and stay for weekends.
and both bulgaria and Greece guarantee this state, as also Serbia does,
that guarantee, as also the fact that about 1/3 are Albanians, made Fyrom the no 1 base of agents from all over the world, and you know it,
NATO is not so needed, since alrady Fyrom has a big base of USA troops, and kossovo is not far away,
the total estimation of bases if the big one in Kossovo completes is about 150 000 troops
40 000 in Fyrom where already exist about 3-5 000,

So it rather that Entrance in NATO is guarantee for entrance in EU.
but that can not be done if in the constitution of Fyrom exist articles about 'lost lands' and occupied Makedonia, by Greece and Bulgaria,
bulgaria has recogned republic of Makedonia,
but never recogn Makedonian ethnicity and language,

by the propose file,
there is a Makedonian ethnicity which speak a Makedonian language but it is Slavic and Slavic origin
and has nothing to Do with the Greeks and Greeks, which spoke Makedonian Dialect,
BUT WHERE NOT MAKEDONIANS, but GREEKS

So Phillip of Makedon, spoke Makedonian dialect, but was not Makedonian, he was Greek !!!!!!

it is just silly,

besides, the file says also that after the treaty Fyrom enters NATO,
and in 5 years they will change their constitution, according their progress with EU entrance,
so for 5 years in the constitution of the state, Fyrom claims lands from Bulgaria and Greece,
based in the old Communistic tretay among Dimitrov and Titto.

just stupid,

Notice
both are makedonian, to international market, both are and will use the trade mark 'MAKEDONIAN WINE'
both are produced in Makedonia according the origin
but one is made in Greece
and the other made in Severna Makedonia

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As for the razors edge,
it is stupid,
the guarantee of this state is certain, by all,
unless they start a war, according their institution,
playing the game 'cat and mouse'
I am the cat. No I am the cat, No I am the cat
is rather annoying,

there is no itension, even Fyrom, although in constitution, to start a war,
in fact most I ask, they love Greece, and even the most fanatics,
simply it is a political game,
and that file makes it more complex,
 
If there is no North Macedonia, there is also no East Macedonia. Today Greeks use the term East Macedonia which is actually part of ancient time Thrace.

Suggestion of Paeonia is just another Romantic Historiography. It has not single difference than North Macedonians' Macedonia claim.
With this perspective, there shouldn't be any Turkish place name in Anatolia or Slavic name in all Balkans. I am not even talking about New World.
 
If there is no North Macedonia, there is also no East Macedonia. Today Greeks use the term East Macedonia which is actually part of ancient time Thrace.

Suggestion of Paeonia is just another Romantic Historiography. It has not single difference than North Macedonians' Macedonia claim.
With this perspective, there shouldn't be any Turkish place name in Anatolia or Slavic name in all Balkans. I am not even talking about New World.

The problem is keeping the name Macedonia is that the language is also known as macedonian which is today a slavic linguistic branch............do you think ancient Macedonia spoke a slavic language !.
so apart from the country's name , you also need to look at the language of the country
 
The problem is keeping the name Macedonia is that the language is also known as macedonian which is today a slavic linguistic branch............do you think ancient Macedonia spoke a slavic language !.
so apart from the country's name , you also need to look at the language of the country

What next's changing name of Bulgarians and Bulgarian Language? They are speaking Slavic language but Step Bulgars spoke Turkic language.

If you have a methodology, it should work on all situations.
 
What next's changing name of Bulgarians and Bulgarian Language? They are speaking Slavic language but Step Bulgars spoke Turkic language.

If you have a methodology, it should work on all situations.

Imagine
Bulgarians to call themshelves Seljouks,
their land Seljoukia,
their language Turkish
their nativity and ethnicity Seljouk
etc
 
As I Greek I am really happy for this agreement, that puts finally a full stop to this dispute that started as early as 1991. 27 years we play with names, it had to come to an end.

The identity issue and their claim to call themselves Macedonians, is an irrefutable right of them and is protected from the UN. Greece can do nothing about it and couldn't do all these years. The world Macedonian itself maybe confusing and misleading when we look back at history but history doesn't stop in Alexander's Era. Since then many things changed in the region, Romans ruled, Byzantines ruled, Slavs came, new people came, stayed and eventually formed their identity. It has been 100 years now that they claim Macedonian identity and call themselves so, really hard to force them to deny it and actually nobody has the right to do so. It is good though that this agreement makes clear that this term is not a claim for ancient Macedonian heritage and culture, with the latter being tightened to Greece. Fair enough IMO.

Same applies to language, with the difference that a term like "Slavomacedonian" would be more accurate and to the point. But when you force somebody to change their county's name, change their constitution and all the territorial claims, stop heritage's and culture's claims and your will is to have a fair agreement, you should "give" sth to the other side as part of the deal.

I hope this agreement reaches a confirmation for both sides (it is not very easy) and a new Era for Balkans starts. It is crucial geopolitically for Balkans to come closer to NATO and move far from the sphere of influence of Russia and Turkey. It would be very beneficial for this country to join in some years the EU. And not only for them, but for the other Balkan countries.

Prosperity, growth and well-being are built on cooperation, friendship, open minds.

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so Turkey is not in NATO? to keep influence? :confused:

So There is no continue from antique to today?
neither in the mountains, neither 100 years before? :weird:

I suggest read the Blent treaty about the dispute, :nuts:
the ones who follow a communistic project, enter NATO today !!!

the assigment has no time limit,
the constitutional changes in Fyrom WILL BE IN 5 YEARS, AFTER THE ENTRANCE IN NATO !!!! :useless: (NEVER) :banghead:
the time of Entrance to EU and will be watched by an EU comittee, :LOL: (sure, we are safe!!!)

it will be the first entrance of a country to NATO that constitutional claims land from an already one, :heart: I :heart: NATO :grin: like in Cyprus case.
and will change it, NO ERGA OMNES

by the treaty, both countries can produce Makedonian wine, and many other products, tottaly different as name by origin and trade mark !!!! :confused:

a comittee of Fyrom Historians and Greek Historians will rewrite in both countries the school History,
Now what? I will learn that Sandasky is a Makedonian hero?

JUST STUPID NEGATIVE ATHENEAN STATE DIPLOMACY.
AS IN THE ANCIENT TIMES,
AS IN MINOR ASIA DESTRUCTION
AS IN MAKEDONIAN STRUGGLE,

the EVOLUTION OF GREEK STATE --> ATHENOCENTRIC STATE

a treaty that has no meaning, no result, a stupid fog/hazy future
biased and forced by 'BIG FOREIGN POWERS' :chinese:

simply :mask:



MASTER MASTER OBEY YOUR MASTER
LAUGHTER LAUGHTER ALL I HEAR OR SEE IS LAUGHTER
WHY?

cause already Fyrom's economy is by 40% Greek investments,
that treaty makes more happy the ONLY the NEO-LIBERIANS CAPITALISTS, (behind the scenes)
like the major of Thessaloniki (you know who)
who already has huge property there (you can not imagine even if tell you) and will import cheap, killing the remains of Greek middle and small winery.


BESIDES, THE 2 COUNTRIES ALREADY SHARE A VERY STRONG TRAVEL AND COMMERCIAL BOND
THE TREATY ONLY MESS WILL BRING


ATHENOCENTRIC STATE --> ONLY THE INTEREST OF CAPITAL, NO PARTS OF COUNTRY EXISTS
 
When Alexander manage to 'hold' his horse Boukephalas,
around 330 BC
he took a long ride till Axios river,
There he decide to take a bath,
he undressed and left his clothes at the riverbank,
When he come out of water, his clothes were missing,
They were stolen by a Slav, at 600 AD
millenium after Alexander found his clothes,
proud he wear them, and ride all over his kingdom.
but an Athenean 'Diplomat', 2350 after, Allied with the trans-Atlantic Persians, and all the rest,
decide, to take Alexander's clothes, by force and armed police, and give them to the thief.
so Atheneans to have peace and riches,
But the king, is not shamed,
Naked, he runs his kingdom, but he is dressed by the loved of his people,
living testimony, of the eternal betray,
 
Imagine
Bulgarians to call themshelves Seljouks,
their land Seljoukia,
their language Turkish
their nativity and ethnicity Seljouk
etc

Bulgar Language is Turkic
Bulgarian Language is Slavic-European

I think you are confusing.

And if your Seljouks is similar/related with Seljuk Empire. Your are worng too.

Seljuk Empire and Bulgars could be share same Khazar ancestry. Bulgars went to West and Balkans, Oghuz went to East Caspian Sea then became Seljuk and conquested Iran and Anatolia.
 
Bulgar Language is Turkic
Bulgarian Language is Slavic-European

I think you are confusing.

And if your Seljouks is similar/related with Seljuk Empire. Your are worng too.

Seljuk Empire and Bulgars could be share same Khazar ancestry. Bulgars went to West and Balkans, Oghuz went to East Caspian Sea then became Seljuk and conquested Iran and Anatolia.

oh really?

try to understand the irony, the black humor' behind my post,
and not to correct me,

by the 'NEW ORDER' Every one has the right to to be whatever he likes and claims.

and I am a true Mahican,
the others in America are the fake ones,

look

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you see?
I am a Mahican

by the 'New order' I am what I want to be,

 
oh really?

try to understand the irony, the black humor' behind my post,
and not to correct me,

by the 'NEW ORDER' Every one has the right to to be whatever he likes and claims.

and I am a true Mahican,
the others in America are the fake ones,

look

blackhawk.jpg




greek_helmet.jpg



you see?
I am a Mahican

by the 'New order' I am what I want to be,

Is it? Do you really follower of this New Order?

If yes, you shouldn't be uncomfortable about this.
 
Is it? Do you really follower of this New Order?

If yes, you shouldn't be uncomfortable about this.


follower or not,
Bulgars are Seljouks
and Seljouks came from America,
Asparouch was Seljouk
and Mohamet 2nd was German

Everybody is happy by that,
right?

gantastic NEW ORDER facts
 
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