History Columbus was a Sephardic Jew from Western Mediterranean, study finds

[Tautalus]

Although Genoa is considered Columbus's birthplace, several countries and regions have always claimed his origin, notably Spain. Now they try to use DNA for their claims.

RTVE broadcast the documentary “Colombus DNA: Its True Origin” which aims to reveal new discoveries about the origins of Christopher Columbus.

The documentary addressed two great mysteries: Columbus' true burial site and his real origin, challenging the widely accepted theory that he was from Genoa, Italy.

The documentary reveals that Christopher Columbus was not from Genoa, as was traditionally believed. It presents genetic research carried out over 20 years, showing that Columbus had Jewish ancestry and likely originated from the western Mediterranean.

The documentary challenges the traditional narrative, highlighting inconsistencies in historical documents and Columbus's own writings, which were in Spanish, not Italian.

The research involved collecting genetic samples from people with the surname Colombo in Italy, revealing no common ancestry, thus debunking the theory of Genoese origin.

It seems to me that the conclusions were taken lightly, that the bones studied actually belong to Columbus, and that if he were Jewish he could not be from Genoa, because the Jews had been expelled from that region after the XII century.

I am skeptical about all this, the methodology and interpretation of genetic data seem unreliable to me.

It is convenient that the conclusion they reach, that he was a Jew from the Western Mediterranean, probably spanish, is a theory that some Catalan researchers have always defended, namely that he was from Valencia.

A perfect example of a so-called scientific study to promote regional and national interests.

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[Pax Augusta]

How come a peer reviewed study has not been published?

If indeed, as I read, the conclusions are based on the mitochondrial DNA of the alleged Columbus and the Y chromosome of the alleged son, they are actually conclusions based on very weak evidence.

Yes, agree with you. This whole thing, including the methodology used, and the fact that they announced the results on TV and did not publish a study, seems hardly credible. The problem is that there just isn't a study, there is a forensic scientist, so not even a geneticist, who had always sided with Columbus' Sephardic origin and who says on TV that he proved it but without showing us how.

 

[Vallicanus]

How come a peer reviewed study has not been published?

If indeed, as I read, the conclusions are based on the mitochondrial DNA of the alleged Columbus and the Y chromosome of the alleged son, they are actually conclusions based on very weak evidence.

Yes, agree with you. This whole thing, including the methodology used, and the fact that they announced the results on TV and did not publish a study, seems hardly credible. The problem is that there just isn't a study, there is a forensic scientist, so not even a geneticist, who had always sided with Columbus' Sephardic origin and who says on TV that he proved it but without showing us how.

I've read in the Spanish press that a paper on the matter is coming out in late November.

 

[Juan.delajara]

I watched the documentary. The final scientific conclusion was that Columbus was for sure from the Western Mediterranean.The other hypothesis were some speculations related to a theory that he was jewish, nothing certain neither proved with documents or scientific proves.We need to wait for the data, but I think it won't be much conclusive. What is probably interesting is to see which was his y haplogroup.

 

[kingdavid]

I watched the documentary. The final scientific conclusion was that Columbus was for sure from the Western Mediterranean.The other hypothesis were some speculations related to a theory that he was jewish, nothing certain neither proved with documents or scientific proves.We need to wait for the data, but I think it won't be much conclusive. What is probably interesting is to see which was his y haplogroup.

i got a feeling he was under y haplogroup j

 

[HereToLearn]

That's all true guys, don't you know? The Roman Empire was Levantine, Da Vinci was Circassian, Marco Polo a Croat and Columbus a Spanish Jew.

 

[kingdavid]

That's all true guys, don't you know? The Roman Empire was Levantine, Da Vinci was Circassian, Marco Polo a Croat and Columbus a Spanish Jew.

if he was really of sephardi heritage it should show
in his autosomal profile not just his uniparental markers
we have to wait and see
as a jew myself i don't give a damn if he was
i look at a person achievments not his ethnicity

 

[torzio]

doubt very much he was a catalan.

in italy at the time was only catalan (aragon) owned areas, their rival was Genoa.......even more so when aragon and venice alliance defested genoa and milann in the 5th genoa-venice war in 1430 portofino.

only at start of the 55 year long italian wars was the first time castilian troops entered italy.

christofo had 2 brothers ( jacopo and bartolo ) and a sister......his father was born in 1401 in genoa and moved to savona liguria and that is where chridtofo was born

 

[torzio]

marco polo
polo = paolo in venetian.....it was not his surname.

marco is also written as marko as the letter k is in the venetian alphabet

 

[norbert]

A secret Jew who was appointed the first Governor of the West Indies which was basically the title and position of the Viceroy of New Spain? Right after the Reconquista? How much BS is enough? Sky's the limit? Contrary to modern attempts to obscure his background, Columbus' Genoese origins remain well-documented and undisputed.

In the 16th century, Petar Ohmuchevich, a wealthy Bosnian ship owner based in the Republic of Ragusa (today's Dubrovnik), joined the Spanish Armada along with his brothers. He had aspirations to nobility but to be accepted, he had to prove that all his ancestors going back 4 generations (or more) were of noble origins and Catholics. For this purpose, he ordered a forgery called the "Illyrian heraldry" which includes the coat of arms of various Bosnian, Croatian and Serbian noble families, including his own, of course. Long story short, Petar Ohmuchevich became Don Pedro de Ivella Ohmuchevich Gargurich, an admiral of the Spanish Armada, who participated in the war against England. He was accepted into the Spanish nobility in 1594, only 5 years before his passing.

So, considering the strict requirements to become a noble or hold high office, how would a Jew be able to slip himself into those circles so easily and especially after the Reconquista? Even Luis de Santángel was already a third-generation "converso" and he was "only" a banker. This is clearly another attempt at rewriting history. Perhaps they should have added that Columbus was gay to make the story more "exciting."

 

[torzio]

Of this meeting with Queen Isabella, in the presence of her husband Fernando II of Aragon , there remains a memoir , drawn up by Lorenzo Galíndez de Carvajal , one of the first advisors to the Spanish sovereigns, who noted: « year 1491. In this year the Kings held an agreement with Christopher Columbus of Genoa, born in Savona » (literally: asiento con Christóbal Colón ginobés, natural de Saona. Christopher Columbus born in Savona ).

 

[Juan.delajara]

i got a feeling he was under y haplogroup j

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I'm sure...J2 perhaps...let's wait and see

 

[Tautalus]

One thing that I find frustrating is how the current press reports this news, without any critical spirit. Many of the media outlets I have seen talks about the subject as if it were the truth about the origin of Columbus.

And yet there is an absence of a peer-reviewed scientific validation of the so-called study.
And the day the documentary aired was the Day of Hispanidad, the Spanish national holiday, the day that celebrates the discovery of America by Columbus, which does not bode well for is impartiality.

They are not required to know that certain haplogroups are not exclusive to a specific ethnicity or nationality, but it appears that they have forgotten that the traditional view of Columbus being from Genoa, is supported by numerous historical documents and accounts, including those written by Columbus himself.
Numerous contemporary writers and historians, such as Bartolomé de las Casas, unanimously referred to Columbus as Genoese.

But apparently it takes a lot of work to provide a critical account of the conclusions presented by the documentary.​

 

[Vallicanus]

One thing that I find frustrating is how the current press reports this news, without any critical spirit. Many of the media outlets I have seen talks about the subject as if it were the truth about the origin of Columbus.

And yet there is an absence of a peer-reviewed scientific validation of the so-called study.
And the day the documentary aired was the Day of Hispanidad, the Spanish national holiday, the day that celebrates the discovery of America by Columbus, which does not bode well for is impartiality.

They are not required to know that certain haplogroups are not exclusive to a specific ethnicity or nationality, but it appears that they have forgotten that the traditional view of Columbus being from Genoa, is supported by numerous historical documents and accounts, including those written by Columbus himself.
Numerous contemporary writers and historians, such as Bartolomé de las Casas, unanimously referred to Columbus as Genoese.

But apparently it takes a lot of work to provide a critical account of the conclusions presented by the documentary.​

In the early 19th century, the Ligurian priest and historian Giovanni Battista Spotorno collected a large number of testimonies from contemporaries of Columbus.
These are quoted as referring to Columbus as Genoese (Genuensis/Januensis) or the regional term Ligurian (Ligur).

Among the names are the Portuguese ambassador to the Holy Roman Empire, Damiao de Gois; the Genoese nobleman and one-time Doge of Genoa, Battista Fregoso II, his son Ferdinando Colombo, Amerigo Vespucci of Florence and the Venetian writer Pietro Bembo, among others.

 

[Davidtab]

Just about a curiosity, Colón DNA-Y matched in a first approachment Trastámara Dinasty DNA-Y, and that Trastámara DNA-Y took its origin from Burgundy Dinasty in actual east France. Is it known what haplogroup had Trastámaras and Burgundian Royalty?
A scientific paper is coming in November, so we will see much more data. I believe Granada University is a confiable institution, so we have to wait and see. TV program was only a TV program for common people, and new programs about this item are coming.
I strongly believe they know much more than we can hear in the TV program. I suppose the paternal and maternal lineage matched nowdays sefardi lineages. About the autosomal analysis, I don´t know if they can distinguish a low medieval jewish from Valencia, Palma de Mallorca or Barcelona, but I believe they can distinguish an Iberian low medieval jewish and one from Italia.

 

[Vallicanus]

Just about a curiosity, Colón DNA-Y matched in a first approachment Trastámara Dinasty DNA-Y, and that Trastámara DNA-Y took its origin from Burgundy Dinasty in actual east France. Is it known what haplogroup had Trastámaras and Burgundian Royalty?
A scientific paper is coming in November, so we will see much more data. I believe Granada University is a confiable institution, so we have to wait and see. TV program was only a TV program for common people, and new programs about this item are coming.
I strongly believe they know much more than we can hear in the TV program. I suppose the paternal and maternal lineage matched nowdays sefardi lineages. About the autosomal analysis, I don´t know if they can distinguish a low medieval jewish from Valencia, Palma de Mallorca or Barcelona, but I believe they can distinguish an Iberian low medieval jewish and one from Italia.

I am more and more convinced that Columbus had some links to nobility since he was able to marry a Portuguese noblewoman.

 

[Jovialis]

That's all true guys, don't you know? The Roman Empire was Levantine, Da Vinci was Circassian, Marco Polo a Croat and Columbus a Spanish Jew.

Next thing you know, even Super Mario and Luigi are Puerto Rican.

 

[Davidtab]

Felipa Moniz was only daughter of an "fidalgo". "Fidalgo" in portuguese and "Hidalgo" in spanish means people of noble origin but without titles. In XVII century I saw in my antecesors archives some of males, peasant land owners ("rich"peasants) married with "hidalgo" women, because in many cases fidalgos were men of noble origin but poor because they have not lands nor noble titles.

So a successful sailor like Colón could marry a fidalgo woman like Felipa Moniz, no problem.

 

[Vallicanus]

Felipa Moniz was only daughter of an "fidalgo". "Fidalgo" in portuguese and "Hidalgo" in spanish means people of noble origin but without titles. In XVII century I saw in my antecesors archives some of males, peasant land owners ("rich"peasants) married with "hidalgo" women, because in many cases fidalgos were men of noble origin but poor because they have not lands nor noble titles.

So a successful sailor like Colón could marry a fidalgo woman like Felipa Moniz, no problem.

Indeed you are perfectly correct. Money marries needy blue blood.

For example, the Medici were rich Florentine merchants of humble origin who married penniless nobles and progressed to marrying rich nobles including French and Spanish royalty.

 

[Vallicanus]

Next thing you know, even Super Mario and Luigi are Puerto Rican.

Or Mexican.