Could Texas be a state in the USA that becomes it's own country?

[Virtue]

Thinking about it now, does anyone be[FONT=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]lieve that Texas has the power to become it's own country? Texans are people that are very right-wing, strict, and authoritarian. Almost similar to Fascists. If they were free from the USA, their economy wou[/FONT]l[FONT=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]d be about as equa[/FONT]l or as that of Australia.

I know this is a European forum, but if Hillary Clinton becomes President of the USA, I could see more right-wingers, especially Texans, calling for a secession. They are very strict and love their way

Texas is the only state in the USA that would be able to survive on its own. And they wou[FONT=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]ld be dissatisfied with another round of [/FONT]left-wingers, as they feel the rest of the USA would be a burden on their DIY ethic and their Texan economy. As Unamerican as it sounds, but it could definitely happen!

Just like Brexit, there was a small movement recently that was called Texit - look it up.

 

[Promenade]

No, I do not believe Texas will become its own country. I also think your classification of Texans as similar to fascists is absolutely ridiculous, I'm not sure where you got this idea.

Much of what Texans believe in is in direct opposition to fascism and authoritarianism. They believe in the right of free speech, the right to bear arms, economic liberty and a small unobstructive government. Fascists want a totalitarian and authoritative government, that restricts freedom of speech, takes away the arms of the people and dictates the economy. The parents and grandparents of Texans today fought proudly against fascism in Europe and imperialism in Asia. Texas itself was founded as a rebellion against the authoritative Mexican government under Santa Ana. I think most Texans would find your description of them insulting.

Calling all Texans right wing isn't accurate either although they are more so compared to the rest of the country, just not in the way you described it. The areas around the border and around Austin usually vote Democrat and there will be millions in Texas that will vote for the democrats this election.

Demographically I believe it's impossible for Texit to ever happen. In America regional identity works very differently from that in Europe. In Europe regional identity is usually in opposition with the identity of the rest of the country like Catalon or Basque Country in Spain.
In the US the areas with the strongest regional identities also have the strongest national identity. Texans are as proud to be Texan as they are American and more proud of both these identities compared to many other regions of the US.

Also many Texans were born out of state. Texas has been doing very well economically compared to the rest of the country in recent years so it's attracted a lot of residents from other states. Add to that the illegal aliens in the state that number in the millions you get a large proportion of people in Texas who don't identify with being Texan enough to even vote to form an independent country and are vested with staying within the US.

Texas was only an independent country for less than a decade over 150 years ago. During this time they were actively trying to join the US and they did so as soon as they could. I don't believe we will ever see a Texit at least not in with the current situation, even with Hillary. We will certainly hear about it more in the future though I'm sure.

 

[Athiudisc]

They're strong enough to go it alone, but I don't believe they're strong enough to start off, if you follow. One doesn't simply walk away from the United States.

 

[DuPidh]

Thinking about it now, does anyone believe that Texas has the power to become it's own country? Texans are people that are very right-wing, strict, and authoritarian. Almost similar to Fascists. If they were free from the USA, their economy would be about as equal or as that of Australia.

I know this is a European forum, but if Hillary Clinton becomes President of the USA, I could see more right-wingers, especially Texans, calling for a secession. They are very strict and love their way

Texas is the only state in the USA that would be able to survive on its own. And they would be dissatisfied with another round of left-wingers, as they feel the rest of the USA would be a burden on their DIY ethic and their Texan economy. As Unamerican as it sounds, but it could definitely happen!

Just like Brexit, there was a small movement recently that was called Texit - look it up.

I suspect you are a Russian or somehow Russian related. Your question sound like some wishful thinking. Russians always bring this topic to life out of jealousy and fear of US. Texas is the heart of USA. It became the economy you describe because of the union. 10 MILLION Mexicans live there. Why can't you think that was not Mexicans who made Texas prospers but the exchange of technology and ideas that the union made it possible!

 

[Twilight]

I suspect you are a Russian or somehow Russian related. Your question sound like some wishful thinking. Russians always bring this topic to life out of jealousy and fear of US. Texas is the heart of USA. It became the economy you describe because of the union. 10 MILLION Mexicans live there. Why can't you think that was not Mexicans who made Texas prospers but the exchange of technology and ideas that the union made it possible!

Idk, Trump is a big fan of Putin. I don't know if it's reasonable to have Texas to succeed from the union but if they do, it's their choice and I can respect that. We don't need anyone chastising killed US soldiers for being Muslim; a violation of amendment #1 freedom of religion.

We we are supposed to work together as Americans to create a better society but it's always blame African Americans, blame police, blame Muslims, blame Mexicans. If this keeps up, perhaps it's best we go our separate ways. I am not saying Texans are fascist and I'm not too thrilled about the two canadates. Personally I'd rather have a balance between "following the amendments to the letter" and "all men/woman are created equal", none of the canadates meet that standard sadly. But if it came down to it, I'd support the succeeding when it happens as an social experiment.

 

[Virtue]

I suspect you are a Russian or somehow Russian related. Your question sound like some wishful thinking. Russians always bring this topic to life out of jealousy and fear of US. Texas is the heart of USA. It became the economy you describe because of the union. 10 MILLION Mexicans live there. Why can't you think that was not Mexicans who made Texas prospers but the exchange of technology and ideas that the union made it possible!

I am not Russian. What gave you that idea? I am very indifferent to a secession. It is just a topic that I wanted to bring attention to this board. When Barack Obama got in office, the whole state of Louisiana attempted to create a petition for peaceful secession, but even though thousands upon thousands of people above the limit signed it, it was ignored by the Obama Administration and Congress.

 

[Virtue]

No, I do not believe Texas will become its own country. I also think your classification of Texans as similar to fascists is absolutely ridiculous, I'm not sure where you got this idea.

Much of what Texans believe in is in direct opposition to fascism and authoritarianism. They believe in the right of free speech, the right to bear arms, economic liberty and a small unobstructive government. Fascists want a totalitarian and authoritative government, that restricts freedom of speech, takes away the arms of the people and dictates the economy. The parents and grandparents of Texans today fought proudly against fascism in Europe and imperialism in Asia. Texas itself was founded as a rebellion against the authoritative Mexican government under Santa Ana. I think most Texans would find your description of them insulting.

Calling all Texans right wing isn't accurate either although they are more so compared to the rest of the country, just not in the way you described it. The areas around the border and around Austin usually vote Democrat and there will be millions in Texas that will vote for the democrats this election.

Demographically I believe it's impossible for Texit to ever happen. In America regional identity works very differently from that in Europe. In Europe regional identity is usually in opposition with the identity of the rest of the country like Catalon or Basque Country in Spain.
In the US the areas with the strongest regional identities also have the strongest national identity. Texans are as proud to be Texan as they are American and more proud of both these identities compared to many other regions of the US.

Also many Texans were born out of state. Texas has been doing very well economically compared to the rest of the country in recent years so it's attracted a lot of residents from other states. Add to that the illegal aliens in the state that number in the millions you get a large proportion of people in Texas who don't identify with being Texan enough to even vote to form an independent country and are vested with staying within the US.

Texas was only an independent country for less than a decade over 150 years ago. During this time they were actively trying to join the US and they did so as soon as they could. I don't believe we will ever see a Texit at least not in with the current situation, even with Hillary. We will certainly hear about it more in the future though I'm sure.

Texans are very much like fascists. I know people in law enforcement there and they get better training and good pay. Texas is generous to law enforcement. Have you ever been there before? If you're in Texas, it's not like the USA. It's a whole different country, inside of the USA. Just like California.

 

[Virtue]

Also, in Fascism, the civilians were allowed to own arms. Communism and other Marxist regimes weren't...

 

[Virtue]

They're strong enough to go it alone, but I don't believe they're strong enough to start off, if you follow. One doesn't simply walk away from the United States.

If other surrounding states join, Texas would definitely skyrocket in terms of economy. It would be between Australia and Spain. Probably not good to hear, but it would pick up, because it would no longer have competition with California.

I'm not saying a Texas secession is a good idea, I just wanted thoughts and opinions. Texans are known for their pride, however I don't know if their pride will be so huge as to break away from the rest of the USA. But it is definitely possible. They are people that are so stern with right-wing politics they would even risk the chance to leave the USA if Clinton got in office, for they believe she is Communism and it goes against everything Texas stands for. There are loads of things to consider, but Texas just doesn't do left-wing politics and never has.

 

[Virtue]

In my analogy, I see California as the Belgium of the USA, and I see Texas as Switzerland (or perhaps even Franconist Spain?). Maybe some Europeans here, would then understand what I am saying. (Spain no longer allows it's citizens to carry guns though)

California is one big state that works more like the country of Belgium. Americans who go out to California will always tell you "California is a country that's trapped inside of another country, USA." and that's pretty much true.

Interesting facts for Texas-

It is the fastest growing state in the USA

Texas has population size greater than that of Australia

Texas is the only state in the USA that has it's own independent economy that the USA borrows from, it's rival competitor being California

Texas takes law enforcement seriously and with strict laws

Texas' law enforcement are so tough they could become it's own army, in a state of war. Even the citizens

Texas is a little bit smaller than France in terms of size but bigger than both Spain and Portugal

Texas manufactures and helps distribute most guns in the USA and the rest of the world

There are lots of places in Texas, that are uninhabited for miles

 

[LABERIA]

Also, in Fascism, the civilians were allowed to own arms. Communism and other Marxist regimes weren't...

Not exactly. In Fascist and Communist countries were allowed to own arms only to some categories of the population loyal to the regime.

 

[Virtue]

The only thing wrong with both ideologies, is that they are based on Big government and (sometimes) socialism. Egalitarianism (yes, Fascism was Egalitarian) doesn't work. You cannot have everything being ​equal. And thus, it will collapse internally. (in reference to Yugoslavia or USSR i.e.)

Texas is more based on Minarchist (anarchist?) principles, smaller government. Just like the rest of the USA. Therefore, this is what makes it harder for these nations to collapse as people are more individualistic, and not necessarily dependent on government or the state.

 

[Athiudisc]

We don't need anyone chastising killed US soldiers for being Muslim; a violation of amendment #1 freedom of religion.

We may or may not need it, but criticism of one's religion in no way violates the first amendment, which generally addresses freedom to practice free of onerous government restriction, not freedom from criticism.

Texans are very much like fascists.

If other surrounding states join, Texas would definitely skyrocket in terms of economy.

How much of that economic boost would go towards fighting the American government, though?

Probably not good to hear, but it would pick up, because it would no longer have competition with California.

Assuming continued trade with the United States (absent the likely embargoes), why wouldn't they still be competing with California?

 

[Virtue]

How would they fight the American government? What if they didn't need to?

I did not say Texans are fascists- they are just very authoritarian. That was my point. They respect their cops and authority, likewise you see the analogy.

 

[Athiudisc]

How would they fight the American government? What if they didn't need to?

The next time the American government lets someone peacefully secede will be the first. :wary2:

 

[Virtue]

Assuming continued trade with the United States (absent the likely embargoes), why wouldn't they still be competing with California?

Hmn. Well if Texas is lost, that economy of California will definitely dwindle down a bit, wouldn't it? Texas has a whole racial demographic compared to Texas. And they are more left-wing and socialist than Texas, meaning they are not particularly experts in economics and are more concerned with the citizens of California, spread the wealth, right? You get me? Texas is very against socialism, and the majority of the population are white. In California the majority of the citizens are Hispanic. Where do you think all these Polish and Eastern European migrants are migrating too? That's right, Texas - not California. Most of the Hispanics in California don't even do the working class work, and they are about 67% of the population. (last time I checked, could easily be wrong.) It is usually the white and black MINORITIES.

 

[Virtue]

The next time the American government lets someone peacefully secede will be the first. :wary2:

Go back to the Texas thing. Where I tod you Texas manufactures the most powerful guns. That whole state alone can definitely start an armed revolution. The rest of the South could join in, as well as possibly even New Mexico, Nevada and Arizona. If Texas threatens to secede peacefully, the US would be insane not to let them go. They would cause extreme damage to the Union, should a revolution break. Texas has an economy in between Australia and Spain alone, and would be enriched if other states followed secession. California's economy is not even on the same level...it would totally stagnate.

 

[Athiudisc]

Hmn. Well if Texas is lost, that economy of California will definitely dwindle down a bit, wouldn't it?

I don't see why it would.

Texas has a whole racial demographic compared to Texas.

I don't know what this means.

And they are more left-wing and socialist than Texas, meaning they are not particularly experts in economics and are more concerned with the citizens of California, spread the wealth, right? You get me?

I would agree that California is definitely more "left-wing and socialist" than Texas, yes.

Texas is very against socialism, and the majority of the population are white. In California the majority of the citizens are Hispanic.

White Texans are a plurality, not a majority, and California actually has more white people than Texas, though I admit that the strange ways race is calculated in the United States makes those figures a bit murky, and (in the case of California, at least, IMO) highly-suspect.

 

[Athiudisc]

That whole state alone can definitely start an armed revolution.

Fair enough.

 

[Virtue]

I don't see why it would.



I don't know what this means.



I would agree that California is definitely more "left-wing and socialist" than Texas, yes.



White Texans are a plurality, not a majority, and California actually has more white people than Texas, though I admit that the strange ways race is calculated in the United States makes those figures a bit murky, and (in the case of California, at least, IMO) highly-suspect.

Texas has a whole racial demographic compared to Texas. - I meant to say California. I've been up for a time. Activities insomniacs.

[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Anyway, I have been to Texas over 10 times in my lifetime, including San Antonio. The ironic thing is, I had never seen a Hispanic working as a cop. Even a black person once or twice. And I refuse to believe that Hispanics are more than whites there. (if there are, these are the people everyone wants out of Texas.)

Whi[/FONT]l[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]e traveling to Texas, we saw in the nighttime, severa[/FONT]l Hispanics and Blacks sleeping under the interstate bridges. (homeless)[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif] a [/FONT]large gathering. Come evening. Nothing but old mattresses and sleeping under several bridges. It was a real shocking and saddening sight for our family to see. S[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]o, this "Hispanic demographic" doesn't mean anything. I am actua[/FONT]lly[FONT=Tahoma, Calibri, Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif] ta[/FONT]lking about people in Texas that are employed.