K12b Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia [by Eupedia Team]

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Here are all of the coordinates for Dodecad K12b Ancient West Eurasia. The sample list will continue to be updated.

Produced by Jovialis, Durate, and contributions by Maciamo.

Updated: April 25, 2020

Total number of ancient DNA samples: 959

Paste coordinates in the source tab of http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/dodecad-k12b-vahaduo.htm

Download the coordinates here: http://www.mediafire.com/file/c9zxqrbx7o24s72/Dodecad_K12b_Ancient__West_Eurasia.docx/file

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mine

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1.89726118[/TD]
[TD]R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.40054542[/TD]
[TD]I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.63928874[/TD]
[TD]R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.65249395[/TD]
[TD]R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.82277928[/TD]
[TD]CL23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.86300319[/TD]
[TD]R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.02880702[/TD]
[TD]I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.21492090[/TD]
[TD]R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.00532264[/TD]
[TD]SZ28[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.60955369[/TD]
[TD]CL49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.88000000[/TD]
[TD]I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.93799683[/TD]
[TD]CL94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.28685117[/TD]
[TD]R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.57478052[/TD]
[TD]I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.62312272[/TD]
[TD]CL57[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.70831369[/TD]
[TD]CL36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.72828571[/TD]
[TD]CL47[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.79092421[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.88022842[/TD]
[TD]R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.89459942[/TD]
[TD]Bavaria_BB_II5524[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.93197958[/TD]
[TD]SZ45[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.04563857[/TD]
[TD]R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.04854024[/TD]
[TD]SZ43[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.12515231[/TD]
[TD]SZ27[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.49518687[/TD]
[TD]R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



father below
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]PonzanoK12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.96722092[/TD]
[TD]R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.88872171[/TD]
[TD]I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.02758391[/TD]
[TD]R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.03138152[/TD]
[TD]R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.17989382[/TD]
[TD]I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.65693380[/TD]
[TD]R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.67751706[/TD]
[TD]CL49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.88861614[/TD]
[TD]R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.95225167[/TD]
[TD]SZ28[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.03410308[/TD]
[TD]R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.08940063[/TD]
[TD]CL47[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.10329419[/TD]
[TD]CL23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.37341353[/TD]
[TD]CL94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.61260161[/TD]
[TD]SZ45[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.01978632[/TD]
[TD]R1221_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.19994444[/TD]
[TD]R108_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.20488029[/TD]
[TD]Bavaria_BB_II5524[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.21248917[/TD]
[TD]CL57[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.22930840[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.42829052[/TD]
[TD]R109_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.88196676[/TD]
[TD]I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.10768771[/TD]
[TD]CL102[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.27916059[/TD]
[TD]R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.36763407[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10851[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.39875586[/TD]
[TD]SZ27[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



Female first cousin from paternal grandfather sister line
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]TrentinoCles[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.53333772[/TD]
[TD]R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.88975778[/TD]
[TD]I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.48031608[/TD]
[TD]I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.75795157[/TD]
[TD]R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.85072720[/TD]
[TD]SZ28[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.27906532[/TD]
[TD]SZ43[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.06032608[/TD]
[TD]I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.88459005[/TD]
[TD]I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.05645936[/TD]
[TD]CL36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.11802256[/TD]
[TD]R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.50109222[/TD]
[TD]CL23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.53108720[/TD]
[TD]SZ31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.26898205[/TD]
[TD]ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.82710036[/TD]
[TD]ScythianMoldova_SCY300[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.89238874[/TD]
[TD]CL49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.97467241[/TD]
[TD]SZ36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.36254148[/TD]
[TD]Bavaria_BB_II5524[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.43631436[/TD]
[TD]I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.58509755[/TD]
[TD]R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.78997156[/TD]
[TD]ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.10143395[/TD]
[TD]R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.24717795[/TD]
[TD]I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.46118914[/TD]
[TD]R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.51338005[/TD]
[TD]R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.55524987[/TD]
[TD]SZ37[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



Below is a male whose ancestor is the brother of my great great grandfather b.1822 ( paternal side ) same surname

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]BelunPk12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.85040348[/TD]
[TD]I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.89129729[/TD]
[TD]R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.95218563[/TD]
[TD]R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.00813896[/TD]
[TD]I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.06084956[/TD]
[TD]R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.34786154[/TD]
[TD]SZ28[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.05758836[/TD]
[TD]CL23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.50328993[/TD]
[TD]CL49[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.21656658[/TD]
[TD]R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.24843981[/TD]
[TD]R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.33832786[/TD]
[TD]I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.40148420[/TD]
[TD]SZ43[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.46353618[/TD]
[TD]I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.86280555[/TD]
[TD]CL36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.35241457[/TD]
[TD]R61_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.56866567[/TD]
[TD]Bavaria_BB_II5524[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.96169580[/TD]
[TD]I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.15677019[/TD]
[TD]SZ31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.19120260[/TD]
[TD]CL94[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.35335262[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10853[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.41500446[/TD]
[TD]R110_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]8.53501025[/TD]
[TD]CL47[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.05707458[/TD]
[TD]SZ36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.21911059[/TD]
[TD]CL57[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]9.33575385[/TD]
[TD]SZ45[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

 
running all above with max output of 4


[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]BelunPk12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.85040348[/TD]
[TD]I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.89129729[/TD]
[TD]R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.95218563[/TD]
[TD]R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.00813896[/TD]
[TD]I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]TrentinoCles[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.53333772[/TD]
[TD]R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.88975778[/TD]
[TD]I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.48031608[/TD]
[TD]I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]3.75795157[/TD]
[TD]R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]Torziok12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1.89726118[/TD]
[TD]R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.40054542[/TD]
[TD]I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.63928874[/TD]
[TD]R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.65249395[/TD]
[TD]R474_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]PonzanoK12b[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2.96722092[/TD]
[TD]R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.88872171[/TD]
[TD]I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.02758391[/TD]
[TD]R105_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.03138152[/TD]
[TD]R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



only sample that is in the top for all of the above
I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge



[h=3]I4331, I4332, Early/Middle Bronze Age, 1700-1500 BCE[/h]
http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616
doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/135616

I4331
mtDNA: I1a1
Y-DNA: J2b2a
 
Screen Shot 2020-02-07 at 6.20.42 PM.pngWhat does SZ stand for? I match those guys real well.
 
Oh, so they're Lombards. Makes sense, then.
 
[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Stuvanè[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #75FF00, align: right"]3.43011662[/TD]
[TD]SZ31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #75FF00, align: right"]3.44400929[/TD]
[TD]SZ36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #7EFF00, align: right"]3.71212877[/TD]
[TD]CL36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #8FFF00, align: right"]4.21513938[/TD]
[TD]SZ43[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #9FFF00, align: right"]4.68264882[/TD]
[TD]I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A4FF00, align: right"]4.83184230[/TD]
[TD]ScythianMoldova_SCY300[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9FF00, align: right"]4.97630385[/TD]
[TD]R1_Iron_Age_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B6FF00, align: right"]5.34300477[/TD]
[TD]R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BDFF00, align: right"]5.55229682[/TD]
[TD]ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BEFF00, align: right"]5.57919349[/TD]
[TD]SZ37[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BEFF00, align: right"]5.58678799[/TD]
[TD]R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C8FF00, align: right"]5.87326144[/TD]
[TD]CL23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D5FF00, align: right"]6.25171976[/TD]
[TD]R55_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DBFF00, align: right"]6.43351381[/TD]
[TD]I4332_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E6FF00, align: right"]6.77911499[/TD]
[TD]I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F1FF00, align: right"]7.07541518[/TD]
[TD]ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F8FF00, align: right"]7.29406608[/TD]
[TD]R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FDFF00, align: right"]7.43797688[/TD]
[TD]SZ28[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFA00, align: right"]7.65708169[/TD]
[TD]R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF000, align: right"]7.93996222[/TD]
[TD]R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEF00, align: right"]7.97270970[/TD]
[TD]SZ1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE000, align: right"]8.40716956[/TD]
[TD]I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD500, align: right"]8.74874848[/TD]
[TD]R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCA00, align: right"]9.04734768[/TD]
[TD]R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBF00, align: right"]9.37029882[/TD]
[TD]I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
All SZ samples are not homogenous. If I remember correctly, you have Northern and Southern cluster with some samples in-between. Szolad is a match for me also, and I presume other Slavs. First ten:

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH]me
[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.21754668[/TD]
[TD]ANI163_Varna_Outlier[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.77990586[/TD]
[TD]SZ42[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]4.96589368[/TD]
[TD]SZ12[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.05904141[/TD]
[TD]SZ11[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]5.45348512[/TD]
[TD]SZ24[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.21923629[/TD]
[TD]SZ30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.31038034[/TD]
[TD]AlemannicBavariaBIM_33[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.32664208[/TD]
[TD]SZ25[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]6.37617440[/TD]
[TD]SZ13[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]7.05800963[/TD]
[TD]CL97[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
Mine:

Screen Shot 2020-02-08 at 10.24.32.png

Scythian, eh? Solezad cluster are the next matches.
 
Last edited:
^^There's more than one "type" of Scythian found in Moldova. One is very "Northern", and one is very "Southern European".
 
bigsnake49 said:
Mine:

View attachment 11796

Scythian, eh? Solezad cluster are the next matches.
Click to expand...

Could you post a photo or copy and paste because the link does not open?
This is mine
4.71686336 R60_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
4.87681248 CrusaderKnightApuliaAbruzzoLebanonCrusaderSI53
5.09032415 SZ37
5.56705488 R969_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
5.81283924 R121_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
6.38806700 SZ36
7.03153611 SZ31
7.10957101 R107_Late_Antiquity_Crypta_Balbi
7.16487264 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192
7.25426082 R1290_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.46294178 R54_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.51240308 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy305
7.65527269 R835_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
7.73755775 R970_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
7.76067652 R1549_Imperial_Era_Monterotondo
7.81090904 R59_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
7.87537301 ScythianMoldova_SCY300
7.92704863 R36_Late_Antiquity_Celio
8.13490627 R973_Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti
8.18330618 R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria
8.37068695 R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia
8.48079006 R836_Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche
8.69321575 R58_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna
8.87463239 ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197
9.38254230 R49_Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis

 
the scythian query

I cannot recall if the question of Scythian being a branch of sarmatians or not being Sarmatians has ever been resolved

IMO, I always kept them separated

Others have kept them as one huge tribe
 
I just realized that I've been using the coordinates from the original 23andme v3. Since I'm sure almost no one has that, and is using either v4, or v5 or ancestry, which seems pretty close to v5, I'll be using the v5 from now on. The order changes but the players are the same.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]Angela[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C8FF00, align: right"]5.88072274[/TD]
[TD]I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D7FF00, align: right"]6.32650773[/TD]
[TD]I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D7FF00, align: right"]6.32865705[/TD]
[TD]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DBFF00, align: right"]6.44030279[/TD]
[TD]R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DCFF00, align: right"]6.46676117[/TD]
[TD]SZ43[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DEFF00, align: right"]6.53661992[/TD]
[TD]R1287_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EFFF00, align: right"]7.03668956[/TD]
[TD]I3499_NWBalkans_PannonianPlain_Vucedol_EN[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F0FF00, align: right"]7.04472143[/TD]
[TD]I1979_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F1FF00, align: right"]7.09619616[/TD]
[TD]I2176_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F3FF00, align: right"]7.14881808[/TD]
[TD]R111_Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FDFF00, align: right"]7.44927513[/TD]
[TD]I2175_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF200, align: right"]7.88178279[/TD]
[TD]CL36[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE900, align: right"]8.15250268[/TD]
[TD]ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy197[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE200, align: right"]8.36475343[/TD]
[TD]SZ28[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD400, align: right"]8.77719773[/TD]
[TD]Bul10_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCF00, align: right"]8.92554760[/TD]
[TD]R1016_Iron_Age_Castel_di_Decima[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCE00, align: right"]8.94997207[/TD]
[TD]Bul6_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC700, align: right"]9.15645128[/TD]
[TD]I4331_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC600, align: right"]9.17988562[/TD]
[TD]SZ31[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC500, align: right"]9.21016829[/TD]
[TD]CL23[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC200, align: right"]9.30224167[/TD]
[TD]R1283_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC200, align: right"]9.30524583[/TD]
[TD]ScythianSouthernMoldova_scy192[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBC00, align: right"]9.47417543[/TD]
[TD]R33_Late_Antiquity_Mausole_di_Augusto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBC00, align: right"]9.47641282[/TD]
[TD]R1015_Iron_Age_Veio_Grotta_Gramiccia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBA00, align: right"]9.54090667[/TD]
[TD]ScythianMoldova_SCY300[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

I know this is internally consistent because of the following:

Balkans Bronze Age 13313

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]I3313_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #79FF00, align: right"]3.56275646[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A3FF00, align: right"]4.78770749[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A8FF00, align: right"]4.93995082[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #AFFF00, align: right"]5.14574766[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B7FF00, align: right"]5.39127537[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CFFF00, align: right"]6.07536254[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DEFF00, align: right"]6.54086099[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFFE00, align: right"]7.53474883[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE900, align: right"]8.14842046[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDF00, align: right"]8.45013349[/TD]
[TD]Italy_FriuliVG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]8.57974941[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB100, align: right"]9.78872702[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6F00, align: right"]11.74627933[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6500, align: right"]12.03777155[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5C00, align: right"]12.29336406[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5800, align: right"]12.42080915[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1200, align: right"]14.46197428[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0015, align: right"]15.62894430[/TD]
[TD]Macedonian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0032, align: right"]16.46757724[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0045, align: right"]17.02095179[/TD]
[TD]Gagauz[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF004B, align: right"]17.19215810[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0056, align: right"]17.51714611[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF006B, align: right"]18.13725448[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0076, align: right"]18.47098536[/TD]
[TD]Pomak[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0077, align: right"]18.50866554[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]I8475_NE_Iberia_RomP_atypical[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #B4FF00, align: right"]5.28431225[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #BBFF00, align: right"]5.49877060[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D8FF00, align: right"]6.36053229[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #E5FF00, align: right"]6.74417601[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #EEFF00, align: right"]7.01113953[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF500, align: right"]7.79892301[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDD00, align: right"]8.50914214[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC600, align: right"]9.16329828[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA600, align: right"]10.10349259[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9000, align: right"]10.76158901[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7D00, align: right"]11.32464057[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7700, align: right"]11.48999565[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7400, align: right"]11.59190735[/TD]
[TD]Italy_FriuliVG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5200, align: right"]12.58351257[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3800, align: right"]13.34843437[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0E00, align: right"]14.57551714[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0001, align: right"]15.03443048[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0002, align: right"]15.06820162[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000A, align: right"]15.30791299[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000C, align: right"]15.34010104[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF000C, align: right"]15.34070403[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0014, align: right"]15.59502164[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002C, align: right"]16.28642311[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF003B, align: right"]16.74281040[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF004E, align: right"]17.28226548[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #6BFF00, align: right"]3.13346390[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F3FF00, align: right"]7.13643258[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF200, align: right"]7.88741853[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF000, align: right"]7.93103398[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFE800, align: right"]8.18782084[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD200, align: right"]8.83622646[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA700, align: right"]10.09776678[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9F00, align: right"]10.31520419[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF7800, align: right"]11.47091135[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4F00, align: right"]12.67673923[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF3100, align: right"]13.57074278[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF1800, align: right"]14.29889900[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0003, align: right"]15.07772085[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0004, align: right"]15.12041785[/TD]
[TD]Italy_FriuliVG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0013, align: right"]15.56398150[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF001F, align: right"]15.90457623[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Sicily[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0028, align: right"]16.16580032[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0032, align: right"]16.47288038[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0038, align: right"]16.63682963[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0043, align: right"]16.96335462[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF004A, align: right"]17.16246581[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0063, align: right"]17.91113269[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0070, align: right"]18.28365664[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0075, align: right"]18.43507798[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0077, align: right"]18.50067837[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Again, the Dodecad K12b updated has one Corsican sample, via "Sizzi", and I highly doubt it's representative.

In regular K12b...

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]I9123_Bronze_Age_Armenoi_Crete[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #D5FF00, align: right"]6.26660195[/TD]
[TD]TSI30[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFF800, align: right"]7.70621178[/TD]
[TD]Tuscan[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCE00, align: right"]8.94646299[/TD]
[TD]North_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC300, align: right"]9.25349664[/TD]
[TD]C_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFBF00, align: right"]9.38393841[/TD]
[TD]N_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAB00, align: right"]9.96218350[/TD]
[TD]O_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002A, align: right"]16.23912559[/TD]
[TD]Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF002B, align: right"]16.26235223[/TD]
[TD]S_Italian_Sicilian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0038, align: right"]16.63682963[/TD]
[TD]Baleares[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0070, align: right"]18.28365664[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0075, align: right"]18.43507798[/TD]
[TD]Murcia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0077, align: right"]18.50067837[/TD]
[TD]Galicia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0080, align: right"]18.75878194[/TD]
[TD]Extremadura[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0084, align: right"]18.88255015[/TD]
[TD]Andalucia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF008E, align: right"]19.18635192[/TD]
[TD]Canarias[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0099, align: right"]19.48964340[/TD]
[TD]Portuguese[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C2, align: right"]20.70434978[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00C7, align: right"]20.85449832[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_Y_Leon[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D8, align: right"]21.34596215[/TD]
[TD]Spaniards[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00D9, align: right"]21.36841595[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00EF, align: right"]22.01702750[/TD]
[TD]Morocco_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF00FC, align: right"]22.40865681[/TD]
[TD]Spanish[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FC00FF, align: right"]22.59549291[/TD]
[TD]Sephardic_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F600FF, align: right"]22.77898374[/TD]
[TD]Castilla_La_Mancha[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F500FF, align: right"]22.79030715[/TD]
[TD]Cataluna[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TH="align: right"]Distance to:[/TH]
[TH="align: left"]R1285_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #A9FF00, align: right"]4.95855987[/TD]
[TD]France_Corsica[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C3FF00, align: right"]5.72900515[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Romagna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C3FF00, align: right"]5.73295543[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Marche[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DEFF00, align: right"]6.52601027[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Tuscany[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F6FF00, align: right"]7.24070466[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lazio[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEE00, align: right"]7.99930566[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Emilia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDA00, align: right"]8.57943659[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Liguria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9D00, align: right"]10.37018436[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Abruzzo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF8D00, align: right"]10.86251230[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Lombardy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF6E00, align: right"]11.76210041[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Campania[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5F00, align: right"]12.19792774[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Piedmont[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF5800, align: right"]12.42161332[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Veneto[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4900, align: right"]12.83907707[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_Kosovo[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4700, align: right"]12.91294962[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Apulia[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4100, align: right"]13.07584127[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Sicily[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF4100, align: right"]13.09491886[/TD]
[TD]Greek[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF2C00, align: right"]13.69630607[/TD]
[TD]Albanian_North[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0C00, align: right"]14.63272210[/TD]
[TD]Italy_FriuliVG[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0500, align: right"]14.85030850[/TD]
[TD]Swiss_Italian[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0200, align: right"]14.95477500[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Calabria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0020, align: right"]15.92765394[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Trentino[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0037, align: right"]16.62573006[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazi[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0048, align: right"]17.11678124[/TD]
[TD]Ashkenazy_Jews[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF0078, align: right"]18.54059870[/TD]
[TD]Gagauz[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF007C, align: right"]18.65887850[/TD]
[TD]Italy_Aosta_Valley[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
 
torzio said:
the scythian query

I cannot recall if the question of Scythian being a branch of sarmatians or not being Sarmatians has ever been resolved

IMO, I always kept them separated

Others have kept them as one huge tribe
Click to expand...

Scythians and Sarmatians were very close in genetic and cultural terms but they were two distinct tribes. The Moldova Scythian samples 300,305,192 and 197 are not real Scythians. They are close to Southern Eurpeans and they are considered Northern Thracians/Getae.
 
^^The same sort of thing happens with Szolad samples: there's a "northern" cluster and a "southern" cluster. In Szolad the southerners were subjugated by the Langobards. I don't think that was the case with the Scythians, i.e. a "class" system, but I'd have to recheck the burial contexts.

For people just starting to play around with these:

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I'm always closest to SZ43 and CL23.
 
Jovialis e.a. thanks for developing!!!!


Some doubts about the results because in our case the Bronze Age samples are prevalent above the iron age/early middle ages. That's IMO not a good sign. Usually is more recent drift more close...


Distance to: Northerner
1.37419067 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
1.97861062 CL146
2.27982455 CL145
2.62806012 SZ4
2.66608327 CL93
3.44633138 SZ7
3.60291549 SZ22
4.01720052 CL151
4.07760959 SZ9
4.09470390 SZ13


Distance to: NorthernerDad
2.94535227 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
3.21373614 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.23739092 SZ7
3.52315200 CL84
3.64394018 CL93
3.73158143 CL145
3.87244109 SZ15
3.96203231 CL83
4.31705918 CL146
4.34257988 R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


Distance to: NorthenerMom
2.19786260 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
2.82237489 CL93
3.27783465 CL145
3.45272356 CL92
3.47195910 CL84
3.47701021 CL83
3.92670345 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.95586906 CL146
4.23303674 SZ7
4.27896015 IronAgeHinxton5_Anglo-Saxon_ERS389799


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mf2y0ykm6xoc.30.54.png
 
Northener said:
Jovialis e.a. thanks for developing!!!!


Some doubts about the results because in our case the Bronze Age samples are prevalent above the iron age/early middle ages. That's IMO not a good sign. Usually is more recent drift more close...


Distance to: Northerner
1.37419067 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
1.97861062 CL146
2.27982455 CL145
2.62806012 SZ4
2.66608327 CL93
3.44633138 SZ7
3.60291549 SZ22
4.01720052 CL151
4.07760959 SZ9
4.09470390 SZ13


Distance to: NorthernerDad
2.94535227 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
3.21373614 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.23739092 SZ7
3.52315200 CL84
3.64394018 CL93
3.73158143 CL145
3.87244109 SZ15
3.96203231 CL83
4.31705918 CL146
4.34257988 R1286_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria


Distance to: NorthenerMom
2.19786260 BronzeAgeOuterHebrides_I2655
2.82237489 CL93
3.27783465 CL145
3.45272356 CL92
3.47195910 CL84
3.47701021 CL83
3.92670345 BronzeAgeUnetice_I0047
3.95586906 CL146
4.23303674 SZ7
4.27896015 IronAgeHinxton5_Anglo-Saxon_ERS389799


huamw83pm3.30.29.png

bacti5yjm3eha.30.42.png

mf2y0ykm6xoc.30.54.png
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Dear Northerner.
The vast majority of the coordinates included so far refer to samples obtained in Italy, Iberia, Central Europe and Balkans. The current entry coordinates do not favor people from northern and northwestern Europe. Many coordinates of samples from that area would be needed in the source dada entry and these coordinates have not yet been obtained. Fir that reason his results looks strange, with North Europe Bronze Age in the first place.
Cheers :)
 
The same nonsense as always.

[TABLE="class: distances"]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #C9FF00, align: right"]5.91572481[/TD]
[TD]CrusaderKnightFrenchLebanonCrusaderSI40[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #CDFF00, align: right"]6.02217569[/TD]
[TD]IlergetesTribeCatalan_I3320[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #DAFF00, align: right"]6.41493570[/TD]
[TD]R1289_Medieval_Era_Cancelleria[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F6FF00, align: right"]7.22570412[/TD]
[TD]BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F6FF00, align: right"]7.22570412[/TD]
[TD]BronzeAgeSpainCogotas_I12208[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F6FF00, align: right"]7.24944825[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10892[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #F7FF00, align: right"]7.27760263[/TD]
[TD]ElSotilloBasqueCountry_I1977[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FBFF00, align: right"]7.38375921[/TD]
[TD]R63_Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFEE00, align: right"]7.99233383[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10852[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFDB00, align: right"]8.55661732[/TD]
[TD]IlercavonesCatalan_I3321[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD300, align: right"]8.79180300[/TD]
[TD]LBA_ElSotillo_Alava_I2469[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFD100, align: right"]8.84762115[/TD]
[TD]GironaSantJuliadeRamis_I10895[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFCF00, align: right"]8.91707351[/TD]
[TD]I2215_Malak_Preslavets[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC600, align: right"]9.16251603[/TD]
[TD]R435_Iron_Age_Palestrina_Colombella[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFC200, align: right"]9.30830812[/TD]
[TD]I2478_Bronze_Age_Beaker_Northern_Italy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFB600, align: right"]9.65871109[/TD]
[TD]MedievalTaifaofValencia_I12649[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAE00, align: right"]9.88438668[/TD]
[TD]EarlyMedievalIberiaGranada_I3981[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFAC00, align: right"]9.93942151[/TD]
[TD]EarlyMedievalAndalusia_I3585[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA400, align: right"]10.17689540[/TD]
[TD]VasconicTribe_I8209[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA400, align: right"]10.17689540[/TD]
[TD]I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FFA200, align: right"]10.23212099[/TD]
[TD]VisigothIberianGirona_I12034[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9D00, align: right"]10.39308905[/TD]
[TD]PortugueseCordobaCaliphate_I12516[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9C00, align: right"]10.41494119[/TD]
[TD]Pre-RomanGirona_I3324[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9C00, align: right"]10.42269159[/TD]
[TD]VasconesTribeVasconia_I3759[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="bgcolor: #FF9600, align: right"]10.58412963[/TD]
[TD]IronAgeCatalan_I12640[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

​

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]14.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I1296_Malak_Preslavets[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]11.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]IlergetesTribeCatalan_I12878[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]11.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]IberianElArgarBronzeAge_I8136[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]10.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]CarthagoMaghrebiAndalusia_I7457[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]9.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I8211_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]7.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]IlercavonesCatalan_I3321[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]5.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Bul8_Balkans_BronzeAge[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]5.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]GalloRomanCeltMixIberia_I10866[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]2.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Falkenstein_Mesolithic_Germany[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]2.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I1949_GD37_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R475_Iron_Age_Civitavecchia[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]2.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R6_Neolithic_Grotta_Continenza[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]CeltiberianMixTribeNorthernSpain_I3238[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I1685_Natufian_Nat4_Raqefet_Cave_Israel[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]TartessianArchaicAndalusia_I12561[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I8209_NE_Iberia_Greek_Empuries1[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Brillenhohle_Magdalenian_Germany[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]NorthAlpineSouthDutch_AITI_50[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]1.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]IronAgeHinxton1_Celt_ERS389795[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I8202_NE_Iberia_RomP_Empuries1[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]CL146[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]IberiaBronzeAge_ATP9[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R80_Imperial_Era_Viale_Rossini_Necropolis[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I1290_GD13A_Ganj_Dareh_Iran_Neolithic[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I1416_AG83/1_Early_MPPNB_Ain_Ghazal_Jordan[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]VasconicTribe_I8209[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]CrusaderKnightTuscanLebanonCrusaderSI41[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]R132_Imperial_Era__Marcellino_&_Pietro[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I3151_Trypillia[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]ASH2-3_Iron_Age1[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Continenza_Mesolithic_Italy[/TD]

[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]

[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]0.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]I2433_Globular_Amphora[/TD]
 
xri34 said:
Scythians and Sarmatians were very close in genetic and cultural terms but they were two distinct tribes. The Moldova Scythian samples 300,305,192 and 197 are not real Scythians. They are close to Southern Eurpeans and they are considered Northern Thracians/Getae.
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thanks

i get these from MTA , for what it is worth


7. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 10.0 - scy197b -
Top 98 % match vs all users

17. Scythian Southern Moldova (270 BC) ..... 12.35 - scy192 -
Top 97 % match vs all users

24. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 13.52 - scy300 -
Top 98 % match vs all users

31. Scythian Southern Moldova (290 BC) ..... 14.25 - scy305 -
Top 96 % match vs all users

41. Scythian Moldova (290 BC) ..... 15.24 - scy311 -
Top 61 % match vs all users

65. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 16.7 - DA195 -
Top 92 % match vs all users

84. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 18.58 - DA198 -
Top 94 % match vs all users

94. [Hidden] - upgrade to Zeus ..... 19.26 - scy304 -
Top 95 % match vs all users

and also the bottom of the below



1. Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) ..... 5.076 - R1 -
Top 99 % match vs all users

4. Illyrian / Dalmatian (1200 BC) ..... 8.937 - I3313 -
Top 98 % match vs all users

52. Thraco-Cimmerian Black Sea (900 BC) ..... 15.89 - MJ12 -
Top 97 % match vs all users

my father only get sycthian in the deep dive breakdown.......one line , nothing else

 
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