E-m123*

hi valerius,
i look at a new paper :
it is a pre-print there are 1097 samples from
all across iran

the paper checked for 17 y-str markers

i checked some of the haplotypes looking for E branches ( in nevgen predictor)
and i saw an e-m123>pf4428 case in tabriz azari;)



sample name in the supplemental : TBZ 273
the number of samples from tabriz region of azari origin were 41
so total 1/41 is 2.4% e-m123*

p.s

whit athey predictor predict it though as j1 so i am not sure ( i usually count more on nevgen so i think it is a real e-m123* )
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source paper:

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-2560710/v1
interesting! I observed from an older journal
It turns out that 3-4%of Iranian males are E-M123 however E-M123*(xm34) is still rare only 1 observed in Khuzestan arab and another 1 case in mazandaran
now you have 1 in azari which did not showed up in previous journal, that makes me think if we have higher # on samples we might have new clues on Iranian E-M123*
 
interesting! I observed from an older journal
It turns out that 3-4%of Iranian males are E-M123 however E-M123*(xm34) is still rare only 1 observed in Khuzestan arab and another 1 case in mazandaran
now you have 1 in azari which did not showed up in previous journal, that makes me think if we have higher # on samples we might have new clues on Iranian E-M123*

Yes
Those 2 cases of e-m123* are confirmed
By snp by the researchers in the paper you posted
As oposed to the azari from tabriz is based on a prediction of 17 markers so we can't be sure about him
I do wonder why they didn't use snp testing
Instead of y-str prediction
It's a paper from 2023
 
e-m123>pf4428 1.22% 1/81 in hungarians from baranja ( north east croatia)

known snp e-m123( 23 y-str markers predicted by nevgen predictor)
DV056- e-m123( likely e-m123>pf4428)

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source :


p.s
in nevgen it looks like e-m123>pf4428
with values of: 13,19 in dys385a,b
it doesn't look like e-m123>m34
side note :
unsurprisingly almost all of the e1b1b1 cases in this paper from baranja croatia and zobor slovakia are e-m78>v13
 
Interesting to see 1st sample from Hungary @kingjohn - there is also one in Eastern Austria.
 
Interesting to see 1st sample from Hungary @kingjohn - there is also one in Eastern Austria.

yes
lets hope for more papers were e-m123* cases will show up
i can assure you i am always looking for them ;)

by the way :
a new ftdna kit from syria only 12 markers but confirmed for e-pf4428
BP51277xxxxxxxxxxSyrian Arab RepublicE-PF44281325151013-13111212131130

I didn't post his surname and city out of privacy reasons of this kit
you can add him to your e-m123* blog💪
 
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IN115811xxxxxPalestinian TerritoryE-PF44281324151013-14111212141131149-910112814203515-15-16-16101120-231514162035-371410
 
37 markers but look at nevgen predictor as e-m123>pf4428
IN132228xxxxxSaudi ArabiaE-M351325141113-18111212131131179-911112814193314-15-16-16101119-231314182033-341310

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37 markers but look at nevgen predictor as e-m123>pf4428
IN132228xxxxxSaudi ArabiaE-M351325141113-18111212131131179-911112814193314-15-16-16101119-231314182033-341310
Saudi Arabia was strangely the only place lacking E-pf4428 in the ME region - seems now that changes if this prediction is correct.
 
Saudi Arabia was strangely the only place lacking E-pf4428 in the ME region - seems now that changes if this prediction is correct.

at this project :
there is a kit
country writtern is jordan ( yet when i look at the map i see that kit from saudi arabia medina region )
confusing:unsure:
it is 67 markers :
but the ending of the final 4 markers out of the 67 tested
of 10,12,10,11 or 11,12,10,11 usually suggesting the e-m123 direction :)

174342xxxxxJordanE-M351426131014-18111213141231169-911112715213514-14-16-17101119-221613181931-37141010815-15710108119023-24191012121471128181113111510121011


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i know it is an old sample from back in the day
still cool someone at twitter posted :
the male y haplogroup among the tasmola culture 800-400 bc
DA-19
E-M123>FT20896>FT179548

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Source on this culture:
 
valerius if you are interested here are the real g25 values of the late antiquity 2069 e-m123>pf4428 individual from south tyrol
(posted by someone in genarchivist forum) (y)

Italy:2069,0.124067,0.158423,0.026021,-0.016473,0.03416,-0.008646,0.000235,-0.001154,0.005113,0.031162,-0.00682,0.009292,-0.016501,-0.00578,-0.010179,0.005967,0.022035,0.005954,-0.004777,0.000125,-0.001872,0.006677,0.000986,0.002651,-0.00455


source paper:

modern populations closest :
Distance to:Italy:2069
0.02991804French_Corsica
0.03097194Italian_Veneto
0.03300533Italian_Piedmont
0.03402883Italian_Bergamo
0.03453743Italian_Lombardy
0.03456325Italian_Tuscany
0.03503599Italian_Emilia
0.03515925Swiss_Italian
0.03561455Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03821198Albanian
0.03938535Italian_Umbria
0.04115767Spanish_Baleares
0.04150980Italian_Northeast
0.04177992Spanish_Mallorca
0.04257753Italian_Lazio
0.04268587Italian_Marche
0.04271526Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04293388Greek_Thessaly
0.04354723Spanish_Menorca
0.04411892Italian_Liguria
0.04447539Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04453258French_Provence
0.04515084Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04562023Spanish_Eivissa
0.04573996Greek_Achaea
 

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