American Idiot
Banned
- Messages
- 175
- Reaction score
- 18
- Points
- 0
- Location
- TN
- Ethnic group
- west country English, Scotch-Irish, German
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- R1b-L21
- mtDNA haplogroup
- H
I was talking on youtube with some idiot about modern Northern Ireland. He kept swearing up and down that all protestants in the north were specifically "English" culturally, not just politically, since they had a Germanic history, as opposed to being either Scottish or of Scot's extraction.
He said they (Ulster-Scots/Lowlanders) werent like the "native Scots".......(Highlanders).
I had to remind him, historically Scotland has always been a mixture of both Celtic and Germanic peoples in both the Highlands (Viking/Celt) and Lowlands (Angle/Celt).
He swore the only "true" Scots were the Celts,....... even though Germanic peoples came to Scotland starting in the 500's AD which was not too long after the Celtic Scotti tribe from ancient Ulster came there, eventually giving the country its name.
By his definition the Welsh and the Irish would be the same people since they are both Celtic, even though that is stupid to say, as the Irish and Welsh are 2 entirely different cultural groups even if they do share a broader Celtic heritage.
So the Lowland Scots are not, IMO, one and the same with the English either.
I had to remind him also that many "native" Irish today, in fact, carry Hiberno-Norman surnames but that doesnt mean they are "English" or not Irish.
He still couldnt understand fully what I was trying to get at and he said he was from the Irish Republic.
I am just curious how people in general, living in the British Isles today, view each other's culture and history. And Do they still look down on one another at times based on very old, even ancient, histories and ideas?
Do the English still see their neighbors as inferior compared to themselves? Do the Scots, Welsh, or Irish still "hate the English"
Do ALL Scots living in Scotland, both Lowland and Highland, just focus mainly on their Celtic or Highland heritage and ignore the Germanic-Angle-Viking role on their historical/cultural heritage and ancestry?
do the Welsh just see themselves as only a Celtic people by blood? ( despite the many Cambro-Normans and later, Anglo-Welsh, that settled there, especially in the Welsh Marches and southern Wales.)
what about the English? how do they see themselves culturally and ethnically?
Another reason I wonder about this, is because I am an American.
There are many Highland Games and Scottish games in America where people wear kilts and play bagpipes and stuff, but alot of the people who attend those games, especially in the states, are of what we call, Scots-Irish background and originated mainly from the western Scottish Lowlands and Borders, initially.
I always wondered why they dress that way and belong to modern Clans, since most of their ancestors were Lowlanders and not Highlanders.
They come from a mixed Germanic-Celtic background that was heavily influenced by both Germanic culture, as well as Celtic, in the Scottish Lowlands.
I know there is a certain degree of commercialism involved from the companies trying to market genealogical products and these modern, commercialized "Clan societies" from Scotland, to people, especially from the U.S.
But do the people themselves actually know about their own historical heritage or do they just believe these stupid, modern, "romantic-myth" notions of ethnicity that we have today?..... (rooted in large part with the commercialism of the 1990's and 80's.)
It just amazed me how ignorant this guy was, that I was talking to on youtube. And he was from the British Isles so I would think he would know better, but he seemed just as clueless about British/Irish history and ethnicity as most Americans are.
He said they (Ulster-Scots/Lowlanders) werent like the "native Scots".......(Highlanders).
I had to remind him, historically Scotland has always been a mixture of both Celtic and Germanic peoples in both the Highlands (Viking/Celt) and Lowlands (Angle/Celt).
He swore the only "true" Scots were the Celts,....... even though Germanic peoples came to Scotland starting in the 500's AD which was not too long after the Celtic Scotti tribe from ancient Ulster came there, eventually giving the country its name.
By his definition the Welsh and the Irish would be the same people since they are both Celtic, even though that is stupid to say, as the Irish and Welsh are 2 entirely different cultural groups even if they do share a broader Celtic heritage.
So the Lowland Scots are not, IMO, one and the same with the English either.
I had to remind him also that many "native" Irish today, in fact, carry Hiberno-Norman surnames but that doesnt mean they are "English" or not Irish.
He still couldnt understand fully what I was trying to get at and he said he was from the Irish Republic.
I am just curious how people in general, living in the British Isles today, view each other's culture and history. And Do they still look down on one another at times based on very old, even ancient, histories and ideas?
Do the English still see their neighbors as inferior compared to themselves? Do the Scots, Welsh, or Irish still "hate the English"
Do ALL Scots living in Scotland, both Lowland and Highland, just focus mainly on their Celtic or Highland heritage and ignore the Germanic-Angle-Viking role on their historical/cultural heritage and ancestry?
do the Welsh just see themselves as only a Celtic people by blood? ( despite the many Cambro-Normans and later, Anglo-Welsh, that settled there, especially in the Welsh Marches and southern Wales.)
what about the English? how do they see themselves culturally and ethnically?
Another reason I wonder about this, is because I am an American.
There are many Highland Games and Scottish games in America where people wear kilts and play bagpipes and stuff, but alot of the people who attend those games, especially in the states, are of what we call, Scots-Irish background and originated mainly from the western Scottish Lowlands and Borders, initially.
I always wondered why they dress that way and belong to modern Clans, since most of their ancestors were Lowlanders and not Highlanders.
They come from a mixed Germanic-Celtic background that was heavily influenced by both Germanic culture, as well as Celtic, in the Scottish Lowlands.
I know there is a certain degree of commercialism involved from the companies trying to market genealogical products and these modern, commercialized "Clan societies" from Scotland, to people, especially from the U.S.
But do the people themselves actually know about their own historical heritage or do they just believe these stupid, modern, "romantic-myth" notions of ethnicity that we have today?..... (rooted in large part with the commercialism of the 1990's and 80's.)
It just amazed me how ignorant this guy was, that I was talking to on youtube. And he was from the British Isles so I would think he would know better, but he seemed just as clueless about British/Irish history and ethnicity as most Americans are.