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Hi,

I did a Big-Y FTDNA test.
And while it's not completed yet, it has assigned this haplogroup/subclade? to me.
Looks pretty lonely as it's me, a Macedonian, a Turk and an Albanian

I don't know very much about the origin of my paternal lines except for that they are from Resen in North Macedonia and identify as Turks.
I've also done autosmal tests and I'm not getting any Turk ancestry at all.
Because of this I assume they started to identify as Turks at some point, and were previously identifying as Macedonians/Bulgarians/Albanians/Vlachs.

I'm curious to know if anyone can bring more clarity to this subclade?

EDIT: Add the right Y-tree link
 
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Hello mELRACHE,

Wellcome to our common Y-DNA line.

As further clarification about the ethnicity of the other samples at the YFull tree:
https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/I-FT355750/

The Turkish sample id: SRS8752639 at I-FT355750* it is autosomically Albanian, both parents were ethnic Albanians (from Kosovo and North Macedonia) which emigrated toward Turkey during the years '60 of the previous century, the other Turkish sample id:SRS8752591 at I-FT355524 it is also Balkanian from the paternal side originally from today north Greece/north Macedonia.
The other samples at I-FT355750* id:YF112482 Romanian (Hunedoara) it's an ethnic Hungarian from Hunedoara, at the sub branch I-FT355524 id:YF076688 Albania (Berat) it's me a Tosk Albanian and also at I-FT355524 level we find the descendants of the Russian noble family of Horvat (de Kurtic) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitry_Horvat id:YF112414 of Serbian-Croatian origin, which probably didn't came from today N.Macedonia rather from today area of Slavonia and west Vojvodina between Serbia and Croatia.
 
About the Russian sample at Yfull (id:YF131602) and FTDNA.

The Analysis from Z.Markovic at I2a Y-Haplogroup:
A Big Y-700 was completed in August 2024 for Komarov kit BP68551. He traces his paternal ancestry to the late 1600s in eastern Moscow Oblast, Russia and according to his Y111 markers he belongs to the Dinaric South cluster (I-PH908). He has no names on his Y-DNA matches list at the Y111 and Y67 level, and he has no close Y37 matches.

According to his Big Y-700 Mr Komarov belongs to I-FT355750. This is a branch immediately below I-PH908 but it's a rare branch. The PH908 haplogroup had a rapid expansion approximately 2000 years ago and FTDNA shows many immediate descendant branches:


But we can group these branches based on values for the DYS561 STR marker. Some branches have DYS561=15 and some branches that have DYS561=16. This information isn't shown on official haplogroup trees. The I-FT355750 branch is in the DYS561=15 cluster.

Most of the members of haplogroup I-PH908 are from Central and SE Europe. Samples from Turkey may be the result of an influx from Europe. Haplogroup I-PH908 is also rare in Eastern Europe, but there are some branches that spread there.

There are only two Big Y samples in I-FT355750: Mr Komarov and kit IN86596 (Albania, more specifically Tosk (southern) Albanian).

The YFull tree includes four additional samples: two modern scientific samples from Turkey, and two samples from customers of other labs: Romania (Nebula Genomics) and North Macedonia (YSeq). YFull also includes Komarov's result and kit IN86596, both men purchased their BAM files from FTDNA and ordered the YFull analysis:


FTDNA's Big Y Block Tree only includes the two Big Y samples (Russia and Albania. But FTDNA used the information from the Turkish scientific samples to create branches which are shown on the Block Tree. And FTDNA shows the Turkish samples in the Discover Haplogroup Reports--Time Tree. FTDNA doesn't show the samples from other testing companies and FTDNA doesn't use any of their information.


Although FTDNA doesn't use the YSeq and Nebula data, the FTDNA Big Y Block Tree and Time Tree show the correct tree structure and SNP information according to current knowledge. I think YFull will update its tree soon and the YFull and FTDNA trees will agree.

All samples are FT355750+ and Y214276+, these SNPs are equivalent.

Komarov (Russia) belongs to an unnamed I-FT355750* branch. All other samples have positive results for FT356032, they belong to I-FT356032.

Two samples belong to unnamed I-FT356032* branches: scientific sample SRS8752639 (Turkey) and YSeq sample YF112482 (Romania).

The remaining samples share positive results for two SNPs: FT355524 and Y214505/FTA6248. The members of this I-FT355524 branch are kit IN86596 (Albania), scientific sample SRS8752591 (Turkey) and Nebula sample YF112414 (North Macedonia).

According to Zdenko's count Komarov has 18 private SNPs/variants. Two of these SNPs occur in regions that are considered unsuitable for phylogeny and three have been reported in distant haplogroups. According to the Big Y Block Tree Komarov has 13 private SNPs.
 
From the Gedmatch the Turkish sample SRR14300041-SRS8752639

Distance to:AH3131762
4.75394573Albanian_Kosovo
5.35625802Italian_Lazio
5.40556195Italian_Tuscany
5.56797091Greek_Thessaly
5.74507615Macedonian_South
5.88821705Albanian
5.98091966Greek_Thrace
6.17651196Macedonian_Vardar
6.21426585Italian_Emilia
6.25508945Italian_Marche
6.59138832Italian_Liguria
7.34897272Italian_Veneto
7.36841231Greek_Thessaloniki
7.51461909Macedonian_East
7.84446939Italian_Friuli_VG
8.12000616Bulgarian_Thrace
8.15469803Italian_Piedmont
8.17490673Macedonian_Polog
8.39835103Greek_Peloponnese
8.65207490Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
8.71530263Italian_Lombardy
9.02632262Turk_Makedonya
9.25733223Greek_Central
9.28756696Greek_Macedonia
 
The other Turkish sample:
SRR14299579-SRS8752591
I-FT355750 https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/I-FT355750/
GEDmatch: AD5535171

4.17714017Turk_Trakya
4.32543639Turk_Makedonya
5.25514986Bulgarian_Thrace
5.90122021Greek_Peloponnese
6.29821403Greek_Thrace
6.47998457Greek_Thessaly
6.52659176Turk_Deliorman
6.56249952Greek_Thessaloniki
7.32258834Greek_Central
7.90528937Albanian
8.14392412Greek_Athens
8.28214344Moldovan_Gagauz
8.46483313Bulgarian_East
8.61219484Albanian_Kosovo
8.64794773Greek_Macedonia
9.03399137Macedonian_South
9.15990175Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
9.21157967Greek_Lemnos
9.29251312Italian_Apulia
9.41840220Greek_Foca
9.50963722Macedonian_Vardar
10.02648493Italian_Lazio
10.35525470Macedonian_Northeast&Skopje
10.46341722Pomak_Greece
10.66495195Macedonian_Polog
 
I am Indeed very curious about your Paternal line history, the old Muslim locals in Resen/Resnje were in majority of North Macedonian (prior XX century ethnic Bulgarians) and Tosk Albanian roots, my guess it is that your Paternal ancestors were probably Turkified ethnic Albanians from Resen this could be corroborated also through the presence of other two members at this Y-DNA line of Albanian origin: me and the Turkish sample SRS8752639 at YFull.
 
Hi,

I did a Big-Y FTDNA test.
And while it's not completed yet, it has assigned this haplogroup/subclade? to me.
Looks pretty lonely as it's me, a Macedonian, a Turk and an Albanian

I don't know very much about the origin of my paternal lines except for that they are from Resen in North Macedonia and identify as Turks.
I've also done autosmal tests and I'm not getting any Turk ancestry at all.
Because of this I assume they started to identify as Turks at some point, and were previously identifying as Macedonians/Bulgarians/Albanians/Vlachs.

I'm curious to know if anyone can bring more clarity to this subclade?

EDIT: Add the right Y-tree link
Entire I-PH908 is related to Serbs exclusively (no, not even Slavs, as broader cultural group). So your distant ancestor was Serb
 
Hello mELRACHE, Please after the FTDNA is completed can you purchase your BAM files from FTDNA and order than the YFull analysis, it would be very useful to further establish the level of affinity between the members of this Y-DNA paternal line in addition to a chronological insight!?
I suggest you also to become member of I2a Y-Haplogroup at FTDNA so that you can get a detailed analysis and explanations from Mr. Markovic & Cullen.
I have checked the Defters of the year 1467 of Resen/Resnje area it was indeed dominated by Bulgarians (not Serbians, no typical surnames with -vic are recorded, as in the case of few villages in the area of Debar and Kicevo) and a significant Albanian Orthodox minority (in a lot of mixed villages) on both sides of Prespa lake.
So i repeat me guess, probably we are dealing here with a Slavic branch early on Albanizated (X-XIII centuries) and than lately XIX-XX Turkified, anyway lets find out first what the genetic studies shows us than after we try to 'complete the puzzle' from a Historical/Ethnological/Genealogical point of view.


Who cares?
Who cares what the modern I-PH908 members are, when we all know that the pre- I-CTS10228/I-Y3120 were neither Slavic nor Indo-eurpean originally, i am more than sure that you are aware of the History of I Haplogroup (I2/I1), and their symbolic importance regarding the anthropological past of the 'old continent' !!?
 
Hi,

I did a Big-Y FTDNA test.
And while it's not completed yet, it has assigned this haplogroup/subclade? to me.
Looks pretty lonely as it's me, a Macedonian, a Turk and an Albanian

I don't know very much about the origin of my paternal lines except for that they are from Resen in North Macedonia and identify as Turks.
I've also done autosmal tests and I'm not getting any Turk ancestry at all.
Because of this I assume they started to identify as Turks at some point, and were previously identifying as Macedonians/Bulgarians/Albanians/Vlachs.

I'm curious to know if anyone can bring more clarity to this subclade?

EDIT: Add the right Y-tree link
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Very nice Connections

More info in https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/I-FT356032/notable
 
Hello mELRACHE, Please after the FTDNA is completed can you purchase your BAM files from FTDNA and order than the YFull analysis, it would be very useful to further establish the level of affinity between the members of this Y-DNA paternal line in addition to a chronological insight!?
I suggest you also to become member of I2a Y-Haplogroup at FTDNA so that you can get a detailed analysis and explanations from Mr. Markovic & Cullen.
I have checked the Defters of the year 1467 of Resen/Resnje area it was indeed dominated by Bulgarians (not Serbians, no typical surnames with -vic are recorded, as in the case of few villages in the area of Debar and Kicevo) and a significant Albanian Orthodox minority (in a lot of mixed villages) on both sides of Prespa lake.
So i repeat me guess, probably we are dealing here with a Slavic branch early on Albanizated (X-XIII centuries) and than lately XIX-XX Turkified, anyway lets find out first what the genetic studies shows us than after we try to 'complete the puzzle' from a Historical/Ethnological/Genealogical point of view.


Who cares?
Who cares what the modern I-PH908 members are, when we all know that the pre- I-CTS10228/I-Y3120 were neither Slavic nor Indo-eurpean originally, i am more than sure that you are aware of the History of I Haplogroup (I2/I1), and their symbolic importance regarding the anthropological past of the 'old continent' !!?
I am not talking of I-Y3120. The time to most common recent ancestor of that subclade (as of today 200 BC) is very far away from the formation of the first Serbian tribe. However, the date of I-PH908 fits perfectly (300-400 AD), its the most present subclade amongst the Serbs, and probably 90% of testees come from areas originally inhabited by Serbs upon their arrival on the Balkans (regardless if they are todays, Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Montenegrins or any other nationality). So yes, he has Serbian paternal ancestor, its just a matter of how far back it was.
 
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