Religion In what God(s) do you believe ?

In what God(s) do you believe ? (check all that apply)

  • I believe in one almighty God who created the Universe and judge our everyday life

    Votes: 26 15.5%
  • I believe in one God that created the Universe, but does not interefere with our lives or judge us

    Votes: 8 4.8%
  • I believe in the indivisible Trinity of God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost

    Votes: 22 13.1%
  • I believe in one Almighty God and saints or other lesser gods

    Votes: 5 3.0%
  • I believe in many Gods, each with a special attribute (god of love, god of luck, etc.)

    Votes: 10 6.0%
  • I am not sure whether God exist or not

    Votes: 34 20.2%
  • I am convinced that God does not exist or it is irrelvant for us humans to know

    Votes: 47 28.0%
  • I believe in God, but do not belong to any religion

    Votes: 15 8.9%
  • I believe in God and have a religion, but I do not practice it regularily

    Votes: 12 7.1%
  • I am God. (According to my philosophy.)

    Votes: 10 6.0%
  • God is everything that exist. We are part of it.

    Votes: 21 12.5%

  • Total voters
    168
babar-san said:
that implies that if something is true, it can be believed in, if not, why try to prove it?
Science actually tries to prove things, so that you don't need to believe! If something is proven, we know it. Belief is only necessary if you don't know, but feel some urge to be sure of something.
There are people who don't need belief. If they don't know, they wait till something becomes known or actively pursue knowledge.

Sensebend said:
Christians aren't perfect just forgiven! God bless!
Depends on the denomination, I think. Some denominations actually expect repentance before you can be forgiven.
 
Winter said:
Yeah, deep thoughts Mr. Marx.

His name's Mr. Marx?? I thought it was babar-san...


babar-san said:
...so hats off to you mrs. mulligan...

And here I was thinking her name was Winter (if she's really a woman).

You know, I think you guys should be more careful about using the right name...


(I guess I shouldn't assume that babar-san is a man, either...)
 
Fantt said:
Most scientists will tell you that it's very difficult/impossible to definitively "prove" anything.
I doubt that. You're overly pessimistic here. Many things are possible to prove, esp. in natural sciences. It's a bit harder when it comes to humanities, though.
 
Hmmm...

From here:

Despite popular impressions of science, it is not the goal of science to answer all questions, only those that pertain to physical reality (measurable empirical experience). Also, science cannot possibly address all possible questions, so the choice of which questions to answer becomes important. Science does not and can not produce absolute and unquestionable truth. Rather, science consistently tests the currently best hypothesis about some aspect of the physical world, and when necessary revises or replaces it in light of new observations or data.

Science does not make any statements about how nature actually "is"; science can only make conclusions about our observations of nature. The developments of quantum mechanics in the early 20th century showed that observations are not independent of interactions, and the implications of wave-particle duality have challenged the traditional notion of "objectivity" in science.

Science is not a source of subjective value judgements, though it can certainly speak to matters of ethics and public policy by pointing to the likely consequences of actions. However, science can't tell us which of those consequences to desire or which is 'best'. What one projects from the currently most reasonable scientific hypothesis onto other realms of interest is not a scientific issue, and the scientific method offers no assistance for those who wish to do so. Scientific justification (or refutation) for many things is, nevertheless, often claimed.

Back to the discussion concerning science and religion, religion DOES make statements concerning absolute and unquestionable truth. Therein lies the big difference.
 
CorDarei said:
His name's Mr. Marx?? I thought it was babar-san...

It was a sarcastic implication or babar having a mind like Karl Marx.

And babar; I'm glad you assume I'd waste my time with paganism, just because I believe in my Goddess.

Just so you know, my Goddess has NO CORRELLATION to any of those worthless *opinion* pagan faiths.

Speaking of the depth of knowledge of the aged sir *wow, a cool 8 years older than myself*, you know for someone who boasts of being learned when yours truly dawned the diaper, you'd think you'd know how to flex some of that wisdom a bit better instead of shrugging me off as somewhat of a 'whippersnapper'.
 
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Winter said:
You're an idiot, you know that?

Gee, no I didn't know that. I can see now it was wrong of me not to take your pissing contest seriously. (Incidentally, I think babar-san has the advantage here; guys can piss farther than girls can, usually)
 
Fantt said:
Back to the discussion concerning science and religion, religion DOES make statements concerning absolute and unquestionable truth. Therein lies the big difference.
Right from your source:

"Science is both a process of gaining knowledge, and the organized body of knowledge gained by this process. The scientific process is the systematic acquisition of new knowledge about a system. This systematic acquisition is generally the scientific method, and the system is generally nature. Science is also the scientific knowledge that has been systematically acquired by this scientific process."

Wikipedia is a great source of knowledge, but well, it's not perfect. As I said, you have to distinguish: there are fields in which proof is possible, others in which it is hard to achieve, yet others in which it may be impossible.
 
CorDarei said:
Gee, no I didn't know that. I can see now it was wrong of me not to take your pissing contest seriously. (Incidentally, I think babar-san has the advantage here; guys can piss farther than girls can, usually)

*clap clap clap* Bravo.
 
I don't have a religion, but I do believe in God...the all powerful one that created universe and judges us...
 
bossel said:
Right from your source:

"Science is both a process of gaining knowledge, and the organized body of knowledge gained by this process. The scientific process is the systematic acquisition of new knowledge about a system. This systematic acquisition is generally the scientific method, and the system is generally nature. Science is also the scientific knowledge that has been systematically acquired by this scientific process."

Wikipedia is a great source of knowledge, but well, it's not perfect. As I said, you have to distinguish: there are fields in which proof is possible, others in which it is hard to achieve, yet others in which it may be impossible.

I think we're just having a disagreement about the word "proof." I'll agree that there are some things which certainly seem to be incontrovertable facts, but philosophically, I'm unwilling to consider much of anything to be an absolute truth. I'm pretty sure that many physicists who are studying the underpinnings of reality itself would probably agree with me on that one.
 
Winter said:
It was a sarcastic implication or babar having a mind like Karl Marx.

And babar; I'm glad you assume I'd waste my time with paganism, just because I believe in my Goddess.

Just so you know, my Goddess has NO CORRELLATION to any of those worthless *opinion* pagan faiths.

Speaking of the depth of knowledge of the aged sir *wow, a cool 8 years older than myself*, you know for someone who boasts of being learned when yours truly dawned the diaper, you'd think you'd know how to flex some of that wisdom a bit better instead of shrugging me off as somewhat of a 'whippersnapper'.

no, im just glad to know that you have made the connnection that a lot of pagan practices are indeed very *opinion* based, and lose sight of their druidic ancestry. my ancestors were druids. im 99.9% scottish, clan mCcnab.
a clandestine scottish clan from the highlands dating back to bc, all the way into the 1400's. i take true druidism very seriously because it is as much a part of me as my faith in god. i have a duality with nature and why its here.
i dont go to church, but i do sit in the woods a lot:) i dont normally like to talk about religion, as ppl are obviously very sensative about the subject. but i also study particle physics, as i find it a facinating field of science.
true, im not a whole hell of a lot older than you, but i would not care to "flex"
my wisdom as you call it, because this is an *opinion* based thread, and thats all i am here to do. if you would like me to answer any questions you may have however, id be more than happy to try:) i actually lived in a wiccan commune for ahwile in northern vermont, very very wonderfull ppl and good friends, but felt that after some time with them, they were using it more as an identity, and mis-understanding the balance between the goddess and the horned god. there is always a positive and a negative. it is so evident in nature, i couldnt see how it escaped them. but for future reference, if you are going to have a healthy debate or discussion about these subjects with ppl, dont insult them. i never insulted you until your childlike, snide comment. i believe it had something to do with a stick? not once in anything that i wrote did i insult you or try to press my opinions on you. maybe you mis-interpreted something i said? because they were not directed at you. not until you insulted me. and for what its worth, i dont see anyone as a "whippersnapper",
i have learned a great deal from ppl much younger than i, but like i said, ive done my homework, and when it comes to theology and science, i generally know what im talking about. i respect your beliefs, no mater what they may be. just try to respect my opinions.

BOSSEL - i think again we are mis-understanding one another, i am not implying that there is a belief structure surrounding science, i was simply stating that once something is given reasonable credibility, it becomes common knowledge, until it is either proven, or dis-proven.
 
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I believe in a God that created the universe, I just think different cultures go about worshipping and refering name-wise, a same God of many names. I also have a hypothesis that science (In particular physics) are not just principles for which we as humans can graps a better understanding of ourselves and habitat but a universal language by God.

Spiritual enlightment and science are our only methods of reaching out and touching to this powerful Being.
 
So far there doesn't seem to be any Catholics or Anglicans among the 39 people who voted, as nobody chose "I believe in one Almighty God and saints or other lesser gods".

There are 5 Pantheists already (i.e. people who chose "God is everything that exist. We are part of it").
 
Stfu. I pwn all of you. Boku wa Kamisama desu!
I'm catholic but i'm being a fool.
I guess being roman catholic it's.. i believe in god and the saints under his wing.
But still being god too is cool. but blasphamy so i'm going straight to hell along with the other ..... 1+1+2+.... 5+ crap i lost count.. sins i've done.
 
I don't believe in God just as I don't believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, crab people, psychic phenomena, leprechauns, honest politicians, free porn sites, or ghosts.
 
I chose I'm not sure, because while I myself am convinced that God doesn't exist, there's no way of telling whether I'm wrong or not. But I'd need some pretty major evidence in His favor for me to change my mind. Otherwise, I'll just wait find out the truth when that time comes. :cool:
 
Maciamo said:
So far there doesn't seem to be any Catholics or Anglicans among the 39 people who voted, as nobody chose "I believe in one Almighty God and saints or other lesser gods".

There are 5 Pantheists already (i.e. people who chose "God is everything that exist. We are part of it").

I was determined to avoid this "holy war" until you said that. As a practicing RC, I feel empowered to correct you in one respect. Catholics believe first in the doctrine of Trinity. While we certainly have spent a lot of time canonizing some local demi-gods and popular heroes into "saints" (and almost as much time stripping away that title later), the Trinity is a foundation belief.

Ergo, if you are trolling for Roman Catholics with your poll, IMHO you are using the wrong bait when you chum out the stuff about "saints and lesser gods."

Religious faith has much to offer people who are less than satisfied with the explanation of science. The one thing that science can never explain about the creation of the Universe is why we are here.

Me? I wander along waiting for God to pick up the telephone a take my long laundry list of gripes, bitching, and complaints. So far all I have gotten is a busy signal. I guess that is where faith comes in. Unsatisfying as it is, sometime that is all that you get.

Ceteris paribus, cogito sumere potum alterum
 
I am a panthiest of sorts, and this option sums up my beleifs best; 'God is everything that exists. We are part of it.'
 

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