italian genetics

You must operate at low intelligence levels Apuloman, and Yaan just got GRILLED with the dislikes, that will teach him
 
apulomilan said:
What if we give a prize to Nobody1 (at least) as the fastest relevant data hunter on the web?

Nobody1, I like your way of communicating by representing facts (by the way, as on the forum the genetic character traits are discussed: that's very german of you).
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Thank you;
As for my prize - i will PM you my Bank Account numbers ASAP;

Dont know if its much German character; posting facts is just common decency; goes without saying;
 
why is the 67 trentino tested people not included in Maciano data ( as well as all the other nations )

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947100/

The numbers are easy to work out.

If they are already included, the paperwork is not listed as being used
 
Is it just me or at 56,6% does Hungary have astronomically high R1a levels according to this study? 40% of Slovenes and Czechs even Croats (35%) in some studies, okay, I knew that, then Ukraine 50%, ok and I always knew Poland had abnormally high levels, highest R1a levels at 55-60% of males but could it be that HUnGARY that Finno-utricle speaking country has equally tremendous frequencies (56.5%!)
 
I was always told that Hungary had much less than that around 20% but I had heard stories of 40% but never ever higher. But I know the portion of Croatian touching Hungary is the portion with countries highest R1a at 35-45% of males, quite a nice strip of Croatia bordering Hungary including the Zagreb,Zabok, Osijek regions of the country; about 40-45% of men from Osijek Croatia are R1a, about 35-40% in Zabok and similar frequencies in Zagreb. Towards Delnice and Krk though for example, the frequencies slightly drop.
 
I am MtDNA J2a1 with no further Mutations, and of Matrilineal descent from Tuscany, Italy. Apparently, this Subclade occurs at a low frequency across western, central, and northern Europe, with small inclines (2%-5%) in the Alps and northern Germany. Strange distribution, and very difficult, at least for me, to pin on any archaeological culture.
 
Barellalee said:
I am MtDNA J2a1 with no further Mutations, and of Matrilineal descent from Tuscany, Italy. Apparently, this Subclade occurs at a low frequency across western, central, and northern Europe, with small inclines (2%-5%) in the Alps and northern Germany. Strange distribution, and very difficult, at least for me, to pin on any archaeological culture.
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I have a question about your Y-DNA;
Is it I2a1c or I2a1a (L1286 L233) ?
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml
 
zanipolo said:
a new survey on Italian ydna and mtdna


oddities are

I1 only in North East Italy and romagna area

- L ydna of 8.2% in North east Italy

and for adamo....you line is only in central and south Italy


to the others ...enjoy

maybe Maciano can use these numbers to update his data

another site with different perspectives
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Hi, sorry for my English.
I have done the test with Geno 2.0, and the result is R-L671 and H1A3.
I'm Italian from the North-East.
Someone can explain me the result?
Thank you
 
albanopolis said:
I know that. But in Italy all blond people live in North. Dark skined one mostly in South. Genetically translated means R1B i n North and all dark, African originated haplogroups in South. Albania is Majority African originated haplogroups, and they are spread all over. So for a naked eye there is not skin differernce in Albania. In Italy is different. Because of that there are seperatist movements in Italy. I mentioned them. In Albania contrary there are unifying movements with Kosovo. So its pointless to my view to take R1b of North Italia, add R1b of south that appears to be different clade, divide by 2 , and say the avarage is R1b of Italy. Italy for scientific reasons should be studied by regions. Anyway, I know many Italians and myself I prefer the Suoth One.
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are you serious? no wonder you were banned. Ciro Immobile and Ignazio Abate certainly are not Northern Italian. Pavarotti is not Southern Italian. Most Northern Italians look like Iberians and are dark. See Pirlo and Buffon too. The only blonder ones tend to be from Sud Tirol and are part of Austrian ethnic groups.
 
i do not believe in areas having certain traits, hsi colour or eye colour etc.....it is purely family genetics.
seen black haired austrians, germans and swedes........
red haired greeks and iberians....

my paternal family from 1850 has green eyes and either black or mid brown hair......the women sometimes have what was once called venetian blond, like my first cousin still has , while her daughter is darkish blond.
my children all have blue eyes same as there mum (blue eyes dominate green eyes when mixing)......my grandchildren have blue another green and the girl, grey eyes
 
my paternal great GF
green eyes.....dark blond

my GF
green eyes.......reddish brown hair

father
green eyes.....black hair

me
green eyes.......mid brown hair
 
melrosegirl88 said:
are you serious? no wonder you were banned. Ciro Immobile and Ignazio Abate certainly are not Northern Italian. Pavarotti is not Southern Italian. Most Northern Italians look like Iberians and are dark. See Pirlo and Buffon too. The only blonder ones tend to be from Sud Tirol and are part of Austrian ethnic groups.
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Individual cases prove nothing.

Most Italians are dark-haired and dark-eyed but blonds are most common in the Alps, even among Italian-speakers though the German-speakers of the Alto Adige (South Tyrol) are lightest, eg tennis star Jannik Sinner.

In Central and North-Central Italy, Tuscany and Umbria are lighter than the Po valley while in the mountains of Southern Italy the zone around Benevento and Avellino is relatively light-haired.
 
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Vallicanus said:
Individual cases prove nothing.

Most Italians are dark-haired and dark-eyed but blonds are most common in the Alps, even among Italian-speakers though the German-speakers of the Alto Adige (South Tyrol) are lightest, eg tennis star Jannik Sinner.

In Central and North-Central Italy, Tuscany and Umbria are lighter than the Po valley while in the mountains of Southern Italy the zone around Benevento and Avellino is relatively light-haired.
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Agree.
We can say thay as a whole Northern Italy is lighter tha Central Italy which is lighter than Southern Italy - It isn't (contrary to Torzio sayings) a family question (family varies often here too, as do every regions). We are speaking of regional averages of frequencies.
In North some regions are (were?) darker (as you said) and in Benevento and Avellino lighter than their surroundings subregions. Here we could maybe differ in opinion. Te Y-haplo's and pigmentation seem showing some Germanic input in these last examples, even if very moderate.
That said, I see that the pigmentation-over-everything obsession is still there for someones and also a lack of understanding of Y-DNA signification (here I think in Albanopolis)...
 
the only visible thing one gets directly from parents is eye colour...
skin and hair colour can come from parents, grandparents or great grandparents
 
torzio said:
the only visible thing one gets directly from parents is eye colour...
skin and hair colour can come from parents, grandparents or great grandparents
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Where got you this surprising genetic transmission from?!? I'm blue eyed and my two parents were dark eyed... SO it's a bit more complicated even if it seems skin implies often more SNP's.
 
MOESAN said:
That said, I see that the pigmentation-over-everything obsession is still there for someones and also a lack of understanding of Y-DNA signification (here I think in Albanopolis)...
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I agree, also if I may add a lack of understanding of autosomal DNA. Just because N. Italians overlap with Iberians in PCA plots it doesn't mean they look like them.
 
HereToLearn said:
There is some overlap as there is with other European ethnicities, yet I wouldn't say we flatout look like Iberians. And no, the blonds do not come ONLY from South Tyrol aka Alto Adige.
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Italians can look like many nationalities but a Balkan look (not necessarily only Greek) is more common than an Iberian look.
 
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