The E-M35 project on FamilyTreeDNA shows 3 new samples that are positive for L618 and negative for it's only descendent CTS1975. They are from Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Iraq and I believe they are all due to family finder's new SNP testing. Their markers don't indicate any very recent clustering but without deeper testing we won't know exactly.
News New L618 positive CTS1975 negative samples (-V13)
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Great catch!
CTS1975 should be tested with FF assignment, so that's very interesting indeed. Kind of makes the spread with Anatolian farmers - which was the most likely option anyway, all the more likely.
Probably one could tell that FTDNA, they sometimes test such interesting samples, get in touch with them. Of course, its not as exciting for most people as a split for E-M35 or the like, but still.
CTS1975 should be tested with FF assignment, so that's very interesting indeed. Kind of makes the spread with Anatolian farmers - which was the most likely option anyway, all the more likely.
Probably one could tell that FTDNA, they sometimes test such interesting samples, get in touch with them. Of course, its not as exciting for most people as a split for E-M35 or the like, but still.
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Update: There is also a new Georgian sample which is CTS1975 positive and V13 negative on the E-M35 project. Combined with the previous Armenian and Azeri sample these become very interesting.
If anyone is knowledge about previous studies that might have had E-M78* samples from the Caucasus they could very well be L618+. I will try to search from old studies.
If anyone is knowledge about previous studies that might have had E-M78* samples from the Caucasus they could very well be L618+. I will try to search from old studies.
Interesting, might be some relic from Cardium Pottery, do we have any idea from which region? But it might not give us any hint, his ancestor might have moved from various places multiple times throughout history.
There were Minoans, Mycenaean, classical Greek, Hellenistic and Roman people in the region. By the looks of it, with the new estimate for E-L618, it pretty much either entered Europe very early on or was even born in Europe. The timing is pretty close to the expansion of Impresso-Cardial in Europe:
Cardium pottery - Wikipedia
Just about 500 years between the start of Cardium Pottery spreading in Europe and the TMRCA. The association with Impresso-Cardial culture is nearly 100 % in Europe.
Given the many near eastern L618* samples I'd say a Levantine origin for E-L618 is more likely. Especially since that is where the Cardial culture is first found.There were Minoans, Mycenaean, classical Greek, Hellenistic and Roman people in the region. By the looks of it, with the new estimate for E-L618, it pretty much either entered Europe very early on or was even born in Europe. The timing is pretty close to the expansion of Impresso-Cardial in Europe:
Cardium pottery - Wikipedia
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Just about 500 years between the start of Cardium Pottery spreading in Europe and the TMRCA. The association with Impresso-Cardial culture is nearly 100 % in Europe.
This has happened now https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-FTG10187/tree
By now, all known branches of E-L618/E-CTS1975, even if they are now fairly common in North Africa, have an ancient DNA sample from Europe.
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There is only one remaining tester from Egypt, which position is completely unclear and presumably stems from an old E-L618 branche from somewhere around the Levante-North East Africa, I'd guess from a Natufian context, but could be back migration from the Northern Near East or even Europe as well, like its somewhat probable with the Varna branch.
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Both the Egyptian branch and the Italian lack ancient DNA samples.By now, all known branches of E-L618/E-CTS1975, even if they are now fairly common in North Africa, have an ancient DNA sample from Europe.
There is only one remaining tester from Egypt, which position is completely unclear and presumably stems from an old E-L618 branche from somewhere around the Levante-North East Africa, I'd guess from a Natufian context, but could be back migration from the Northern Near East or even Europe as well, like its somewhat probable with the Varna branch.Welcome to FamilyTreeDNA Discover
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And E-V13 is lacking any ancient samples that are significantly old, with the oldest samples being ~800 BC Iron Age samples.
I'd also expect more E-L618 branches xV13 branches to start popping up, we already have the Georgian, Armenian, and Azeri samples that are not upgraded they very well may result in old branches.
This old study shows significant levels of E-M78 -V13 -V22 -V12 samples: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3399854/
They are in this order:
9.8% Lur - Lorestan
7.7% Zoroastrian - Tehran
2.9% Armeian - Tehran
2.9% Turkmen - Golestan
1.7% Kurds - Kurdestan
1.5% Bandari - Hormozgan
E-V65 is still a possibility since it wasn't tested but since now with better sampling we have found several Middle Eastern L618+ V13- samples in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Palestine, Georgia, and Egypt, I would conjecture that a good chunk of these samples are going to end up L618+ V13-.
E-V1133 is also a good possibility especially for the Armenian samples.
They are in this order:
9.8% Lur - Lorestan
7.7% Zoroastrian - Tehran
2.9% Armeian - Tehran
2.9% Turkmen - Golestan
1.7% Kurds - Kurdestan
1.5% Bandari - Hormozgan
E-V65 is still a possibility since it wasn't tested but since now with better sampling we have found several Middle Eastern L618+ V13- samples in Armenia, Azerbaijan, Iraq, Palestine, Georgia, and Egypt, I would conjecture that a good chunk of these samples are going to end up L618+ V13-.
E-V1133 is also a good possibility especially for the Armenian samples.
If you look at the FTDNA data I gathered:
Thread: E-V13 Frequency Maps and Data
The earliest Urnfield zone is basically identical to Cotofeni into Eastern Otomani-Wietenberg into Gáva: https://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2015/11/urnfield-radio-carbon-dates-capuzzo-2014.html Proto Urnfield core was further north around Hungary/Slovakia/Poland. That has already been...
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You can see that in the Near some of the highest levels of E-V13 are in Lebanon and Syria. Iraq has, with a fairly large sample, still a solid number of at least about 1 % in total, which is about double the number of Iran.
We can therefore say, that the East Mediterranean coast has the highest level, and then it goes: Lebanon-Syria (2) -> Iraq (1) -> Iran (0,5) based on FTDNA numbers. That's the lowest possible number, because a good number of E-V13 carriers of all countries is still just E-M35 or even E-P2 (1st chip FF results). I also don't know, whether for Iran could some distorting factors, like the disproportionate number of AJ testers in countries like Poland, Ukraine etc. Whether some ethnic minorities or the like get more often tested and would distorte the results of ethnic Persians for example. No idea.
The Syrian samples show a high concentration in Aleppo and surrounding regions and could potentially reach up to 5-6% there (for example in yfull of 9 Syrian samples 6 are from Aleppo and 1 is from Idlib very geographically close. Hopefully more data will give us better detail.
Iraqi samples are mostly southern except some later family finder Kurdish samples are from Sulaymaniyah. This is all good data except that the study shows that it's samples were tested to be negative to E-V13 which makes them quite a bit more interesting.
Also worth to mention, some show clear relations to Eastern Central Europe (like Hungary, Czechia etc.) and the Balkans (like Albania) in a more recent time frame, pointing to a later arrival no earlier than the Roman era. Others on the other hand might be really old and can be traced to people like the Sea Peoples and Philistines, possibly. Like this branch:
E-FTD86483 YTree
Lebanese and Syrian, around 1.300 BC.
E-FT350379 YTree
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I have also just noticed a Russian sample in the Kursk DNA project which appears to be CTS1975 positive and negative to V13. It appears closest to samples under E-FT169236 but not close enough to guarantee a close relation, though the region similarity could suggest so.