Knowing Classical Greeks were broadly Mycenaean-like before this study was like seeing the writing on the wall. I mean after seeing the Iron Age Greek samples from Spain and many Balkan_IA clusters being fairly close to Aegean BA.
I understand being skeptical in 2018 but not now.
Was there even a migration there from another population or maybe it was a just a civil war that caused the collapse in Greece?
^Red hair, blonde hair, blue eyes in some of them, but their genotype is typical of Southern Europe, predominately Anatolian_N.
That doesn't poop the party for me, because it's not important to me. However, just like southern Europeans today there were surely some of them with light features. Just like southern europeans today, they were predominantly dark hair and brown eyes, with light skin.Not to be a party pooper, but these are most likely based on the HIrisPlex prediction system, so they're to be taken with a grain of salt. Likelihood of blonde hair seems to be overestimated by this system. Also, ancient DNA is pseudo-haploid, which means they read just one of the 2 positions on each SNP. With eye colour, this means that the individual could in reality have been heterozygous on the relevant SNP, which is usually expressed as brown or hazel eyes in the phenotype.
What is fascinating to me is that they're consistent with Lazaridis et al. 2017. Not that I doubted it for a second, but that it proves the doubters wrong. The Myceneans and preceeding Greeks were southern European and closest to Southern Italians and Greek populations.
Yes, it is speculation, but my speculation is also shared by Sarno et al. 2021 and Raveane et al. 2022. But ultimately as you said aDNA will show us.
Please see my last post. I admit to starting it, but we need to move on. Otherwise we will be repeating ourselves in an off topic discussion that will turn off people to the thread.
Not to be a party pooper, but these are most likely based on the HIrisPlex prediction system, so they're to be taken with a grain of salt. Likelihood of blonde hair seems to be overestimated by this system. Also, ancient DNA is pseudo-haploid, which means they read just one of the 2 positions on each SNP. With eye colour, this means that the individual could in reality have been heterozygous on the relevant SNP, which is usually expressed as brown or hazel eyes in the phenotype.
According to some of those algorithms I should have blue gray eyes like my father and younger sister. Instead I inherited my mother's brown eyes.
Imho, we ultimately will see that populations in the south, modeled a two-way of Steppe like plus minoan, are primarily responsible for pulling modern Italians to their current position, from Etruscans and Italics. It was a local internal migration within Italy, with a population that has been there since the Early Bronze Age. Not what what the odd bedfellows of levantists/nordicists/woke liberals believe.32 relevant People who share my speculation,
Stefania Sarno, Rosalba Petrilli, Paolo Abondio, Andrea De Giovanni, Alessio Boattini, Marco Sazzini, Sara De Fanti, Elisabetta Cilli, Graziella Ciani, Davide Gentilini, Davide Pettener, Giovanni Romeo, Cristina Giuliani, Donata Luiselli, Alessandro Raveane, Ludovica Molinaro, Serena Aneli, Marco Rosario Capodiferro, Linda Ongaro, Nicola Rambaldi Migliore, Sara Soffiati, Teodoro Scarano, Antonio Torroni, Alessandro Achilli, Mario Ventura, Luca Pagani, Cristian Capelli, Anna Olivieri, Francesco Bertolini, Ornella Semino, Francesco Montinaro
I myself came to the conclusion by my own analysis. Nevertheless I am not alone in my speculation, many prominent geneticists, using more sophisticated tools and methods, more sophisticated than G25, have also reach roughly the same conclusion. So I'm not just some guy on the internet, with obscure ideas.
More and more Italian geneticists are realizing the true origins of the peopling of Italy. No more stupid speculation like Etruscans coming recently from Anatolia, or Nordic Latins.
Or the Macedonian samples so that speculation about the Greekness of Ancient Macedonians can be cut at least by 99%. There are some Balkan individuals that have been throwing conspiracy theory accusation that the Greek government is suppressing genetic studies because the ancient greeks might turn out to be not Greeks after all .Of course the new accusation will be that they threw away all the samples that did not fit the official narrative.
I don't understand what you mean. I don't think these people personally ran your DNA for you to come to that conclusion.
Lazaridis ****** up by not mentioning Slavic ancestry that transformed the Balkans. Pretty dishonest academically.
Doric/Western Greeks are different than the rest of Greeks. Idk what some are talking about? I predicted this exactly. Ancient Doric Greeks cluster more with Albanians. That's where the Dorian invasion happened.
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