V88 is IE in origin (IE it is what I called IE, not what someone else think
IE is) and this is the reason, why this haplotype is spread in Europe also...
Back migration from Africa? For what, why and when?
etrified:
Did V88 was in Iberia - yes it was because are findings of that haplotype
long before mainstream IEs came to Spain. V88 probably split early from R
1-one tribe, and went where ever he wish to go
In Iberia if I remember
correctly the samples are dating aroud 6000 ya so even this scenario once
again had prooved that some scientists are lying creating fary tales like this:
Here:
We have some more carefull datation, but still it is very wishfull thinking.
15.000 years was created from nothing, simply number was taken from air.
As we can see on this map of dislocation R1b mostly V88 in subsaharian Africa,
http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Haplogroup_R1b_World.png the source
of V88 is on the east - in Sudan. I guess, as I said earlier in this thread that V88
came to Africa about 3,5-5,5k ybp probably through Egypt. The best guess which
I can make, is that first V88 could be Hyksoses, because they were a mixes tribes
of indoeuropean, hurian and semitic peoples who came to Egypt in historical time.
It can be also some non well known to us invasion on Africa and Egypt some 5500
years ago which can be validate by quite european-looking people in the pre- and
first dynasties Egypt. For example the oldest known mummy called Ginger is from
about 3300bc was blond. This invasion after leaving Egypt had to stay some time
in Sudan and after that (as some sahels stories tells) go into west. When? Know
one knows, it could be not so long time ago, as well as at the beginning of their
jourey. Maybe this people have something to do with Sao civilisation. About IEn
origin of that subclade testifies not only realtion to another R1b group, but also
remains of that subgroup in Spain, Europe and Levant. In polish project in FT
we have 3 samples of that subgroup, what gives almost 0,1 % of all project
members. If this percentage would be accurate number to whole Poland or
even plus Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine (which are part of project also),
that percentages gives tens or hundreds thousands of people with that
mutation living among east-central Europeans. And this is not so smal
number as some one can think.
In this article is said also that reemigration took place 1000-3200 bp - but
exactly the same could be done otherwise in the at the same time - so this
is additional reason, why I can make a hipotesy, that V88 is IE in origin, as
every subclade of R1 M173 (or maybe even M207, but I am not cerain; but
in the case of R1 - I am). And - what is probably much more importat than
that, according to this author, emigration from Iberia could have place 1000
to 1600 years ago... so... It is very very indeuropean subgroup...
Quote:
A small sample of 69 records was used as the seed population.
This was amplified to 119 records. This population gives an out
of Iberia TMRCA of 7,700 ± 1,600 ybp, an into Africa TMRCA of
5,500 ± 1,000 ybp and a re-migration to Europe TMRCA of
3,200 ± 1,000 ybp. While TMRCA calculations are notoriously
inaccurate, these calculations give a r e l a t i v e chronological
magnitude. Genetic data is too often treated as discrete units
having no interaction. SNP populations tend to be analyzed in a
vacuum. Population genetics needs to be viewed as a network
analysis.
