R1b-L51* in the Dorians?

[Carbo]

R1b -L51* was present among in the Dorians?

"[FONT=&quot]In actual fact, the origins of the Dorians, a pastoral people, are necessarily obscure, but it appears they originated in northern and northwestern Greece, i.e. Macedonia and Epirus. From there they apparently swept southward into central Greece and then into the southern Aegean area in successive migrations beginning about 1100 BC, at the end of the Bronze Age. This new people brought with it a new material, [/FONT]iron[FONT=&quot], which was of Balkan origin.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Dorian Greeks settled in Illyria before 2000 BC, ancient regions of the Balkan peninsula occupied by Indo-European-speaking tribes, including the Dalmatians and Pannonians. Warlike and piratical, they withstood (6th cent. B.C.) Greeks attracted by their iron mines and later attacks by Macedonians. The Romans conquered them and set up (168-167 B.C.) the province of Illyricum. Today Illyria means the Adriatic coast North of central Albania....."[/FONT]

 

[ToBeOrNotToBe]

If the well-attested red hair of the Spartans is true, which it likely is, then some form of R1b is likely. Can’t figure out more than that.

 

[A. Papadimitriou]

We don't know therefore every statement is just an opinion but I would say no.

Most L51 in Greece can be medieval.

 

[Yetos]

R1b -L51* was present among in the Dorians?

"In actual fact, the origins of the Dorians, a pastoral people, are necessarily obscure, but it appears they originated in northern and northwestern Greece, i.e. Macedonia and Epirus. From there they apparently swept southward into central Greece and then into the southern Aegean area in successive migrations beginning about 1100 BC, at the end of the Bronze Age. This new people brought with it a new material, iron, which was of Balkan origin.Dorian Greeks settled in Illyria before 2000 BC, ancient regions of the Balkan peninsula occupied by Indo-European-speaking tribes, including the Dalmatians and Pannonians. Warlike and piratical, they withstood (6th cent. B.C.) Greeks attracted by their iron mines and later attacks by Macedonians. The Romans conquered them and set up (168-167 B.C.) the province of Illyricum. Today Illyria means the Adriatic coast North of central Albania....."

Accepted only as academic proposal.

Doupt,

R1b might not even existed in Myceneans.

 

[Carbo]

If R1b-L51 was born of Yamnaya, it should not be more common in Eastern Europe and the Balkans? Maybe it's not because R1b-L51 was born in Western Europe and more likely in Italy?