Genetic study South Albania Tumulus DNA samples

[mount123]

Proto-Usatovo Culture from Ukraine has potential E-V13, J2b2 is not from Usatovo context.

The leak about the aDNA "J2b2" sample did concern a Chalcolithic Suvorovo burial in Moldova/Ukraine border region, not Usatovo.

Edit: Actually I have to correct myself. The leak was about aforementioned geographic location tied to a specific date, namely 4500-3500 BCE. The Suvorovo connection was mostly one of the possible archeological complexes it could have been affiliated with.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

R-PF7562 the forefathers of Kamenica BA-EIA people found in Romania.

location of site

Rast, Dolj - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Reminder of my take.

J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

I had to register another account because I forgot the password of the previous one Merrma ne goje o magjup. You are not Illyrian so stop pretending. You are exactly those Borats you are talking about. Only R1b is Illyrian so stop LARPing. You are E-V13, descendant of Nafri Farmers. J2bs are...

www.eupedia.com

 

[TetaEglantina]

R-PF7562 the forefathers of Kamenica BA-EIA people found in Romania.

location of site

Rast, Dolj - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Reminder of my take.

J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

I had to register another account because I forgot the password of the previous one Merrma ne goje o magjup. You are not Illyrian so stop pretending. You are exactly those Borats you are talking about. Only R1b is Illyrian so stop LARPing. You are E-V13, descendant of Nafri Farmers. J2bs are...

www.eupedia.com

These are indo Europeans that had recently expanded from the caucasus

 

[blevins13]

Kristiansen mentioning probably the Kamenica tumulus as Yamnaya derived: Min 25 and forward

It seems that after all we will learn where the Greeks came from.

 

[Hawk]

R-PF7562 the forefathers of Kamenica BA-EIA people found in Romania.

location of site

Rast, Dolj - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Reminder of my take.

J2b2-L283 (proto-illyrian)

I had to register another account because I forgot the password of the previous one Merrma ne goje o magjup. You are not Illyrian so stop pretending. You are exactly those Borats you are talking about. Only R1b is Illyrian so stop LARPing. You are E-V13, descendant of Nafri Farmers. J2bs are...

www.eupedia.com

And i was wondering where is R1b-PF7562.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

And i was wondering where is R1b-PF7562.

Yamnaya was dominated by R-Z2103 clans, when they came to the Balkans, lesser clans broke off and did their own thing, notice that R-PF7563 and J2b-L283 took to hilly terrain, it's obvious R-Z2103 had first picks when carving up the new won land. Most people don't like being subordinates, when opportunity arose, they took off to start their own tribes. The lone J2b-L283 died young and clearly died in from battle injury. He likely earned the honor to be buried among R-Z2103 through an act of bravery in battle.

 

[Hawk]

Yamnaya was dominated by R-Z2103 clans, when they came to the Balkans, lesser clans broke off and did their own thing, notice that R-PF7563 and J2b-L283 took to hilly terrain, it's obvious R-Z2103 had first picks when carving up the new won land. Most people don't like being subordinates, when opportunity arose, they took off to start their own tribes. The lone J2b-L283 died young and clearly died in from battle injury. He likely earned the honor to be buried among R-Z2103 through an act of bravery in battle.

Most definitely. R1b-Z2103(i saw other clades?) looks like totally dominating the landscape in EBA which is more or less what everyone expected.

 

[deoula]

Kristiansen mentioning probably the Kamenica tumulus as Yamnaya derived: Min 25 and forward

This paper is still not out (despite him saying in the video it was basically ready), they really taking their time lmao

 

[eupator]

And i was wondering where is R1b-PF7562.

The R-M12149 is also candidate for either Z2106 or L584 downstreams.

 

[epirus1000]

This paper is still not out (despite him saying in the video it was basically ready), they really taking their time lmao

It's not easy to publish that paper. The resistance to publish papers in the areas related to ancient Macedonia is very strong.

 

[deoula]

It's not easy to publish that paper. The resistance to publish papers in the areas related to ancient Macedonia is very strong.

He actually replied to my email last week, he said it will hopefully be out in “coming months”. My guess would be November, otherwise it would be after Christmas/new year so latest February if it’s not out by November.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

The Reich lab just recently updated their 1240k data. To my surprise the Serbian paper(Danubian frontier) had rerun the alleged mdv sample from Barc(Korca), I13834 R-PF7563. And this time it has over 500k SNPs reads.

So I used the new data to give it some runs, and what do you know. The sample is clearly ancient, and most related to other ancient R-PF7563 populations, and some of the neighboring samples from North Macedonia(Ohrid and the two samples from Hellenistic period) which I noted before from G25 being related, this was demonstrated on a neolithic model.

Anyhow, I13834 is a prelude to the Kamenica R-PF7563s samples.

Oh did I mention the relation to Illyrians is extremely poor?

 

[torzio]

CHIA, Iron Age Adriatic coastal and hinterland
LAC, Late Iron Age/ Republican Period Latini
PANR, Roman Pannonian
REM, Roman Empire Italics

Additionally, Roman Period Liburnians and Delmatae samples were combined
(CLDR; c= coastal)

 

[torzio]

very hard to add attachments to this half completed site

 

[epirus1000]

The Reich lab just recently updated their 1240k data. To my supersize the Serbian paper(Danubian frontier) had rerun the alleged mdv sample from Barc(Korca), I13834 R-PF7563. And this time it has over 500k SNPs reads.

So I used the new data to give it some runs, and what do you know. The sample is clearly ancient, and most related to other ancient R-PF7563 populations, and some of the neighboring samples from North Macedonia(Ohrid and the two samples from Hellenistic period) which I noted before from G25 being related, this was demonstrated on a neolithic model.

Anyhow, I13834 is a prelude to the Kamenica R-PF7563s samples.

Oh did I mention the relation to Illyrians is extremely poor?

How much tests did you run for this cherry picking exercise?


From the Skourtanioti paper:

"This setting increased the rate of non-cladal pairs (P < 0.01; at least two streams of ancestry) only among individuals from Chania (XAN) and led us to analyse Chania in three subgroups. P values were calculated by the qpWave program applying a likelihood ratio test. No correction for multiple testing was performed. B. The PC1-PC2 coordinates from the Western Eurasian PCA displaying XAN individuals with their IDs. Those analysed separately are annotated in red letters (XAN014, XAN028 and XAN034 were grouped together and XAN030 apart)."

So, put it simply, the XAN030 is really apart in all the calculations, and the graphic representations. It is not a representative sample of Chania, Crete, or Greece.
It is clearly a migrant from Kamenice to Crete.
Why you should spend so much time for this cherry picking arguments to create a different narrative???

 

[Hawk]

Nahh you're just retarded, you did not even understand my post, reread it again maybe five more times.

I read one post one day in fb, there was a post about a famous Balkan delish called Ajvar (made mainly from roasted red peppers and eggplant) saying it originates in Serbia/Macedonia, one Albanian jumped in comments saying it is Albanian in origin passed by ancient Illyrians etc, etc.

Someone corrected him peppers were brought from South America in XVI century so linking with ancient people is ridiculous, and another Albanian from Albania mentioned that they never heard about Ajvar since it's unknown over there but used among Albs in Kosovo and Macedonia.

Point being, the delusion in general is insane generally speaking in Balkans.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

This guy has read the entire thread because he engaged in it before, but has no idea what I am saying, what my claims are. He does not even know what he's doing.

And he is not the general public, this guy is a public figure in Albania.

 

[ihype02]

The Pannonian theory supporters how much Illyrian do you think there is in Albanians?

 

[PaleoRevenge]

The R-PF7563 sample from Barc, not only can be modeled with other ancient R-PF7562 populations, but all the R-PF753 samples with Balkan IA profile(and no Mycenean like profile) can be modeled successfully as Yamnaya + Albanian neolithic.

This is amazing because the Illyrian samples cannot be modeled with Albanian neolithic, they fail extremely bad. Nor can these samples be modeled with northern Greece neolithic. This is proof that a different population existed between Greeks and Illyrians, and they are no other than the Brygians. Illyrians are later wave of IEs, who expanded at the expense of the Brygians with the decisive event occurring around 800-750 BC, where they expelled most of the Brygians from the Balkans.

 

[PaleoRevenge]

Even the R-PPF7562 mercenary from Crete cannot be modeled with Greek neolithic.