Angela
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Genetic study The origin and legacy of the Etruscans through a 2000-year archeogenomic time transec
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torzio
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what I state has not changed in years...............you are changing all the time and coming around to my side ....................you have even given up your linguistic association attachment with DNA peoples (ooh language is part of DNA rubbish theory that you once had ) ................you will eventually learn as I said many years ago that the Etruscan and Umbri are the only original Italics and they are from central Italy ..........and central italy goes as far south as calabria as per sub-branches of etruscans and Umbri populace.
when will you learn that the northern balkans is associated with Central and Northern Italy
Pax Augusta
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I mean, did you ever???It just goes on and on...
You know, I'm a charter member of ANRTTNOFBIAWNCI (Association Not Recognizing That The North Of The Balkans Is Associated With The North And Central Italy), Jovialis is the vice president.
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here we go again ...another false/fake claim by someone on this site .................ancient sample
13313 Balkans Bronze Age: As a half Emilian, half Eastern Ligurian/Tuscan
someone claiming I3313 is now an italian
why do we need to put up with these nationalistic BS ?
13313 Balkans Bronze Age: As a half Emilian, half Eastern Ligurian/Tuscan
someone claiming I3313 is now an italian
why do we need to put up with these nationalistic BS ?
Pax Augusta
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here we go again ...another false/fake claim by someone on this site .................ancient sample
13313 Balkans Bronze Age: As a half Emilian, half Eastern Ligurian/Tuscan
someone claiming I3313 is now an italian
why do we need to put up with these nationalistic BS ?
Seriously, who was claiming that I3313 is Italian? And where?
Credit goes to Anthrogenica user Ariel90:
Imperial and Medieval Tuscans on G25:
Imperial and Medieval Tuscans on G25:
Averages:Imperial_era_Etruria:MAS002:MAS002,0.104717,0.152329,-0.026398,-0.060078,-0.004001,-0.022032,-0.002585,-0.010615,0.009204,0.019317,0.004709,-0.000899,-0.004608,-0.003853,0.000814,-0.019358,-0.021644,-0.000507,-0.003645,-0.013632,-0.00262,0.00779,-0.001232,0.006266,-0.000838
Imperial_era_Etruria:MAS003:MAS003,0.091058,0.150298,0.004903,-0.050711,0.036314,-0.030957,0.00141,-0.003923,0.028633,0.030069,0.00406,0.003897,-0.008771,-0.002202,-0.007736,-0.001591,0.011995,-0.008235,-0.008045,-0.003752,-0.011105,-0.001731,0.013804,0.001928,0.010179
Imperial_era_Etruria:TAQ021:TAQ021,0.110408,0.158423,-0.012445,-0.052972,0.018773,-0.019801,0.006345,0.001385,0.009204,0.036812,0.002273,0.01169,-0.017096,0.001514,-0.008686,-0.007823,-0.00013,-0.001647,-0.00176,-0.001,0.007237,0.004946,-0.008011,-0.000843,0.011256
Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE:TAQ003:TAQ003,0.097888,0.144205,-0.00792,-0.027778,0.013541,-0.017012,0.001175,-0.012692,0.006749,0.018224,0.002761,0.006444,-0.001189,-0.003991,-0.000407,-0.005569,0.005998,0.00266,-0.001508,-0.001251,0.004617,0.002349,-0.006039,0.007109,0.007185
Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CEOP001
Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE:TAQ011:TAQ011,0.10927,0.157407,0.00792,-0.029393,0.027082,-0.011156,-0.002585,0.006231,0.007567,0.015672,0.006333,0.01154,-0.012339,-0.002202,-0.000271,-0.005436,-0.012126,-0.002534,-0.002514,-0.01038,0.000873,-0.002597,0.001232,-0.00494,0.007903
Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE::ETR013:ETR013,0.117238,0.150298,-0.000377,-0.037791,0.022158,-0.01506,0.00188,-0.003,0.008795,0.0277,-0.007307,0.014237,-0.013082,0.000826,-0.010315,-0.013524,-0.003912,0.000253,0.00264,-0.006503,-0.009858,-0.000866,-0.002958,0.007712,0.009221
Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE::TAQ009:TAQ009,0.108132,0.137096,0.001508,-0.037791,0.030467,-0.01506,-0.00047,0,0.011044,0.02041,0.007307,0.008542,-0.015461,0.007844,0.002036,-0.011005,-0.013299,0.006714,0.004399,-0.006003,-0.006239,0.007296,-0.004314,0.001325,-0.001676
Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE::ETR014:ETR014,0.1161,0.152329,-0.023759,-0.040375,0.014464,-0.022032,0.013161,0.005538,-0.006136,0.024602,0,0.002098,-0.009812,0.008257,-0.018729,0.003978,-0.000391,-0.000633,0.001257,0.007379,-0.012478,0.003586,0.004314,0.01458,-0.001796
Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE::ETR003:ETR003,0.111547,0.1635,0.008297,-0.026809,0.017542,-0.01757,0,-0.005307,0.000409,0.016583,0.005359,0.005695,-0.004757,-0.009771,0.003664,0.000928,-0.004042,0.009755,0.002011,0.003752,0.003993,-0.000618,-0.005053,-0.007953,0.007544
Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE::TAQ022:TAQ022,0.114961,0.150298,0.006411,-0.016473,0.026159,-0.020638,0.003995,-0.005077,0.006545,0.025149,0.00065,0.007943,-0.01665,-0.006055,-0.006107,0.00305,0.011604,-0.006588,0.007919,0.001251,0.004367,0.011005,-0.000986,-0.004097,0.001796
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE
Distance: 1.4560% / 0.01456027
[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]81.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Imperial_era_Etruria[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]19.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Swedish[/TD]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE
Distance: 1.4560% / 0.01456027
[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]81.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Imperial_era_Etruria[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]19.0[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Swedish[/TD]
Angela
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Credit goes to Anthrogenica user Ariel90:
Imperial and Medieval Tuscans on G25:
Averages:
Sorry, you're not going to get him out of trouble; he specifically quoted ME, and for that he got an infraction.
He clearly is incapable of understanding what he reads, or he's deliberately setting out to insult me. Either way, he's skating on thin ice.
I am sorry Angela I don't know what you are talking about. I was banned from Anthrogenica for making a second account more than one year ago. I never had any interactions with him. I search the forum as much as the site allows me to, as I am no longer a member I don't have full access.
Angela
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here we go again ...another false/fake claim by someone on this site .................ancient sample
13313 Balkans Bronze Age: As a half Emilian, half Eastern Ligurian/Tuscan
someone claiming I3313 is now an italian
why do we need to put up with these nationalistic BS ?
How freaking DARE you? I know you don't understand Italian, but I thought as an Australian you'd be capable of understanding written English. Apparently not.
I posted my results from Vahaduo K12b. It clearly says that I'm at a distance of 5.88 from 13313 BALKAN BRONZE AGE. I then said that as a half-Emilian, half-Tuscan, my score made sense. That was a reference to the fact that Emilia and LIguria are at about a distance of 5 and Tuscany is at a distance of 6 to the sample.
NOWHERE did I say that 13313 is ITALIAN. If you have a problem with the population distances produced by the algorithm, take it up with Vahaduo.
I'm telling you right now that if you ever misrepresent what I say and insult me one more time you are going to be in serious trouble.
If you can't understand what is written you should have pride enough not to display your lack of understanding to refrain from posting.
Angela
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My apologies, Ihype. I thought you were referring to something else.
As to MS. Ariel's calculations, Tuscany never received a 20% admixture from Langobards. The yDna doesn't support it.
If she has time on her hands, and knows how to use qpAdm she might want to occupy herself trying to model Medieval Tuscans as first millennium BCE Etruscans, plus Empuries, or plus Aegean Iron Age, or plus Roman_Greek, either the sample of Lazaridis or the Greek Roman samples we already have from Antonio et al.
Not claiming this modelling is valid.
This is interesting even Lazio Italians need at least 15% Venetian-like ancestry to be modeled with Medieval Tuscans. While modern Tuscans need 45% Venetian-like ancestry to be modeled with Early Medieval Tuscans. Maybe an other Italian migration occurred in Tuscany that reduced the Near Eastern-lines? Something is missing. I am sure some non-Italian Christian Western European could've contributed too, but still.
Especially with all that "20% Germanic shift" that appears in late antiquity. How much of that "Germanic shift" was actually caused by Germanics and what was the other part to begin with?
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Italian_Lazio
Distance: 1.6129% / 0.01612917[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]84.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]15.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 0.7493% / 0.00749294[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]53.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]46.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
EDIT:
Originally Posted by Angela 
My apologies, Ihype. I thought you were referring to something else.
Originally Posted by Angela
As to MS. Ariel's calculations, Tuscany never received a 20% admixture from Langobards. The yDna doesn't support it.
If she has time on her hands, and knows how to use qpAdm she might want to occupy herself trying to model Medieval Tuscans as first millennium BCE Etruscans, plus Empuries, or plus Aegean Iron Age, or plus Roman_Greek, either the sample of Lazaridis or the Greek Roman samples we already have from Antonio et al.
I know I was just testing the accuracy of the result, I doubted there was a "20% shift" to begin with. I thought maybe the Germanic samples of Italy were mixed, but when using modern Swedes it turns out they were not.
I thought Ariel was a man? I know the username is feminine but something ...
Especially with all that "20% Germanic shift" that appears in late antiquity. How much of that "Germanic shift" was actually caused by Germanics and what was the other part to begin with?
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Italian_Lazio
Distance: 1.6129% / 0.01612917[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]84.4[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]15.6[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
[TH="class: singleheader, colspan: 2, align: left"]Target: Italian_Tuscany
Distance: 0.7493% / 0.00749294[/TH]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]53.2[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Medieval_Etruria_800_1200CE[/TD]
[TD="class: barchartmode1 nonselectable, colspan: 2"][/TD]
[TD="class: singleleftcolumn, align: right"]46.8[/TD]
[TD="class: singlerightcolumn"]Italian_Veneto[/TD]
EDIT:
My apologies, Ihype. I thought you were referring to something else.
As to MS. Ariel's calculations, Tuscany never received a 20% admixture from Langobards. The yDna doesn't support it.
If she has time on her hands, and knows how to use qpAdm she might want to occupy herself trying to model Medieval Tuscans as first millennium BCE Etruscans, plus Empuries, or plus Aegean Iron Age, or plus Roman_Greek, either the sample of Lazaridis or the Greek Roman samples we already have from Antonio et al.
I know I was just testing the accuracy of the result, I doubted there was a "20% shift" to begin with. I thought maybe the Germanic samples of Italy were mixed, but when using modern Swedes it turns out they were not.
I thought Ariel was a man? I know the username is feminine but something ...
With Imperial Age samples modern Tuscans need even more than 20% northern European.
There will surely be some Germanic DNA in the Tuscans but we cannot rule out that the imperial samples are not very representative and there was some resurgence of Etruscan DNA.
Pax Augusta
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I've read that Tuscany share many last names with Northern Italy. So probably there was some north south movement. An example
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No, it has nothing to do with north south movements. Tuscans share many surnames with Emilia and Lombardy, mainly because of linguistic factors. Among other things, these surnames are clearly reminiscent of the nascent Italian language, which as we know was born in Tuscany and are not based on surnames recalling the Gallo-Italic languages. Then of course there was also a bit of gene flow, Tuscany has always been rich. Do Humanism and the Renaissance mean anything to you?