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Trouble erupts as tourists break ban on Muslim prayers in Spanish cathedral which was once world's second biggest mosque


A confrontation between Muslim tourists and guards employed by the Roman Catholic bishop at the world-famous Cordoba mosque saw two people arrested and two guards injured last night.


Trouble broke out when the visitors knelt to pray in the building, a former mosque turned into a Christian cathedral in the 13th century, where a local bishop, Demetrio Fern?ndez, recently insisted that a ban on Muslim prayers must remain.


Half a dozen members of a group of more than 100 Muslims from Austria had started praying among the marble columns and coloured arches of the vast building when security guards ordered them to stop.


"They provoked in a pre-planned fashion what was a deplorable episode of violence," the bishop's office said in a statement.


Cathedral authorities said the guards had invited the visitors to continue viewing the inside of a 24,000 sq metre building that was once the world's second biggest mosque, but without praying.


"They replied by attacking the security guards, two of whom suffered serious injuries," the bishop's office said.


Local newspapers reported that a dozen police officers had been called into the building and that these, too, had been attacked when they tried to arrest the two visitors.


The local Diario de Cordoba newspaper quoted anonymous police sources as saying that a knife had been taken off one of those arrested.

A group of local Muslim converts have long campaigned for the right to pray at the mosque building. "The building is very big and the main cathedral occupies only a part of it," said Mansur Escudero of the Junta Islamica group.


"They publicise the building as a mosque because that brings in tourists, but they do not allow the Muslims who pay money to go inside to pray," he said.


Escudero said a space for Muslim prayers would not inconvenience visitors or disturb the cathedral and would promote dialogue and understanding between the two religions. He said there were frequent incidents of Muslims being prevented from praying.


"They argue that canon law does not allow Muslims to pray there, though they have been happy to permit visiting Saudi princes and other dignitaries, including Saddam Hussein, to pray," he said.


"A new bishop was appointed recently and one of his first public statements was to say that Muslim prayers would not be allowed as this would create confusion," he said. "It seems the guards have instructions to prevent prayers with violence, if necessary."


Cathedral authorities reiterated their ban on prayers. "The shared use of the cathedral by Catholics and Muslims would not contribute to the peaceful coexistence of the two beliefs," the statement from the bishop's office said.


"This one-off incident does not represent the genuine attitude of Muslims, many of whom maintain an attitude of respect and dialogue with the Catholic church," it added. "We deplore the damage done to the image of our city and to the peaceful coexistence of visitors and citizens."


Church authorities also recalled that archeologists had shown that, prior to the construction of the mosque in the eighth century, a Christian temple had stood on the same spot.


The 23,400 sq metre mosque occupies an area equivalent to three football pitches and boasts 1,300 columns and more than 300 yellow and red horseshoe arches. There are only three larger mosques in the world – at the holy city of Mecca in Saudi Arabia, the Turkish capital Istanbul, and the Moroccan port city of Casablanca.


Yesterday's incident coincided with the city's famous Easter Week celebrations, where groups of nazarenos (penitents) dressed in long robes and tall conical hats carry statues of Jesus and the Virgin Mary from local churches around the streets.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/01/muslim-catholic-mosque-fight

Just try to pray to Jesus in a mosque in any islamic country and see what happens. You would be turfed out in a matter of seconds.
 
If they want to pray in an old mosque that is now a Christian Cathedral then why aren't Orthodox Christians allowed to pray in Hagia Sofia in Constantinople that was turned into a mosque?
Why don't they turn it back to a church?
 
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Er.

C.R., you really should think harder before posting your thoughts online.
 
Marianne said:
If they want to pray in an old mosque that is now a Christian Cathedral then why aren't Orthodox Christians allowed to pray on Hagia Sofia in Constantinople that was turned into a mosque?
Why don't they turn it back to a church?
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Very nice question Marianne.

And by the way the Cathedral of Cordoba was originally a Roman-Pagan temple turned into christian by the own romans around 200 AD, then a christian church built by the visigoths (they just changed its name to "Basilica de San Vicente" actually)... until the muslims invaders destroyed it in 786 AD. Here you have a chronology of the building's History:

 
Invictus_88 said:
Er.

C.R., you really should think harder before posting your thoughts online.
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Not at all. More of us need to stand up and be counted. Thankfully and in spite of our lousy governments, it's starting to happen.
 
Invictus_88 said:
Er.

C.R., you really should think harder before posting your thoughts online.
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Why, too harsh? For the sake of good form I modified my last post.
 
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It did seem harsh and ill-judged, though in retrospect it's certainly not my place to moderate people.
 
Marianne said:
If they want to pray in an old mosque that is now a Christian Cathedral then why aren't Orthodox Christians allowed to pray in Hagia Sofia in Constantinople that was turned into a mosque?
Why don't they turn it back to a church?
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It is interesting that here in the West we read in school textbooks about Mosques having been converted into Churches in Spain. There indeed are a few examples of this. What we seem to ignore is that fact that there are hundreds of examples of the opposite (Churches converted into Mosques) having occurred in other countries. Some may dismiss this as a result of depopulation of Christians in these areas, but the frequency of its occurrence makes that explanation highly unlikely for most cases.

Like it was stated above, what would happen if I took a group that had a priest and at one point we began an Orthodox Liturgy in Hagia Sophia or any one of the other former Orthodox churches?



The loss of “Al-Andalus” seems to hit a nerve. It appears to be OK for a conquering/victorious Muslim dynasty to appropriate whatever they want. Once any effort is made at retaking that region or property, the former conquerors depict themselves as hapless victims. It is a cycle that has happened over and over.
 
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NICOSIA - The Cyprus government has protested to the United Nations and the European Union over an illegal act by the breakaway regime in the areas of the Republic occupied by Turkish troops to stop a religious service on Christmas day at the Turkish-occupied village of Rizoparpasso, where Christian Orthodox Cypriot live as enclaved.

In a written statement issued today, Cyprus Government Spokesman Stefanos Stefanou says the occupation regime’s act was “completely unacceptable and condemnable. It constitutes a violation of one of the basic human rights as it is the exercise of religious duties”.

At the same time, the Spokesman adds that this act “projects the oppressive substance of the occupation”.

Stefanou announces that the Cyprus government was making demarches and representations to the United Nations Organisation and the European Union.

From the Greek site Signal Alive:

Mr. Homer said that yesterday's action shows once again the "goal of the occupying Turkish and subservient to the T / C leadership is the complete dehellenisation and the disappearance of any Christian presence in the occupied areas of Cyprus."

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The police invaded the Church of St. Caution (St. Sinesiou) in occupied Rizokarpaso, stopped the Divine Liturgy, sealed the church, pulled out the faithful and ordered the priest to take off the vestments of the joyful birth of Christ. And it didn't stop there. The priest of St. Sunday (St. Kyriaki) was notified not to go to work. The ultimate violation of religious freedoms.

The reason: that they had not filed a request for a permit.

The Archbishop Chrysostomos rejected this, noting that the typical program for operations in the Occupied Area is submitted at the beginning of each month, to which he added as requested for Christmas services.
But this is not the only provocative act of the occupation regime. This morning, the occupying authorities have prevented the authorized priest of the Church of the Holy Trinity Giallousis to go to the temple to celebrate the Divine Liturgy of Christmas . Father Konstantinos Papakostas, who once a month goes to the Holy Trinity Church in Rizokarpaso, was ready to go yesterday Rizokarpaso to celebrate the birth of Christ.

Father Konstantinos is authorized by the United Nations, the EU, Cyprus, the Archdiocese and also from Turkey to conduct services in the Holy Trinity Church. This time, the Turks said that the submission of an application should have been done a month ago.




Why is turkey even considered for the EU?
 
I think the Eu is a christian community.
So Turkey should stay outside.
Long live the crusade.
 
Facts:
1. The majority of Europeans don't want to put up with such behaviour.
2. There are a significant enough number of Muslims in Europe that condone such behaviour.
3. There aren't enough influential Muslims condemning such behaviour.

Enough is enough. It's up to the people of Europe to vote in parties that have the integrity to stand up for the wishes of the silent majority who want their own culture and values to prevail.
 
Invictus_88 said:
It did seem harsh and ill-judged, though in retrospect it's certainly not my place to moderate people.
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Harsh and ill-judged? Ask if Londoners caught up in the impact of Muslim suicide bombers would agree? Acts of Muslim violence are harsh and ill-judged. Focus on the real issues.
 
Chris said:
Facts:
1. The majority of Europeans don't want to put up with such behaviour.
2. There are a significant enough number of Muslims in Europe that condone such behaviour.
3. There aren't enough influential Muslims condemning such behaviour.

Enough is enough. It's up to the people of Europe to vote in parties that have the integrity to stand up for the wishes of the silent majority who want their own culture and values to prevail.
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Well said.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbWGErW7UQ0

?Que viva Espa?a! ?Que podemos robar cuando queramos y nadie nos mete en la c?rcel!

Long live Spain! You can steal when we want and no one gets in jail!


That's what the young immigrant said the video when the police let him go, really do not understand Spain's policy on immigration and the fact of keeping foreign criminals, the young man probably did not receive adequate aid and the rest the day is dedicated to steal, unbelievable, thirty arrests and is still here.
 
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