Genetic study Until death do us part

Vitruvius said:
Yes, that's correct. The basic idea I have proposed is that the Vatya culture migrants directly gave birth to the Terramare culture which demographically dwarfed the proceeding Polada culture in Po Valley. For this reason I'm anticipating that the bulk sum of IA and LBA N. Italics will look the same as or similar to Vatya.

Are you referring to modern Northern Italians or samples like this Raetic-like individual when we speak of iberian overlap? First of all it's important to note that the iberian genetic average has shifted since the iron age so this is a bit more of a modern phenomenon from what I've seen. I agree with vallicanus that this is probably just coincidental due to the natrual variation between Vatya and later northern Italics rather than a direct Iberia to Po valley migration scenario.
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Possibly relevant to this conversation:

www.cambridge.org/core/journals/cambridge-archaeological-journal/article/an-argaric-tomb-for-a-carpathian-princess/6395C28719C41719C0DCB7B257F7C91F
 
These are the real coordinates of the samples with good enough quality.

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Stefano said:
These are the real coordinates of the samples with good enough quality.

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These plot drastically differently than the sims. What's the reason for such a large change? 3779 went from a distance of 0.02 to Trentino to 0.055. That's more than double.
 
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