US position in the UN

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should the US stay in the UN?
i say no because they are a safe haven for terrorists and they dont recognize that there is a God
and although i am not a bush fan i agree if u are not for it u r against it
so they obviously are for terrorists and no God
we the people of this nation have gone against them to stop a "threat" in the eyes of dubya
 
In regards to the United States remaining a member of the UN, I'm on the fence, but everything else you said just made you look dumb. IMO.
 
WOW. This thread is loaded!

For fun, compare the CIA's recent report with the UN's Millenium report:

CIA

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they dont recognize a creator at all but as i have said before i think the US is founded on Christian beliefs i do not mean to be mean to other religions but alot of it sounds Christian to me so therefor, i believe that God should be recognized....these people who we look to in the time of trouble dont recognize anything so therefor they dont put faith in anything so they cant be stable about anything because they dont believe in the one who made them
 
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forkagentsmith said:
should the US stay in the UN?
i say no because they are a safe haven for terrorists and they dont recognize that there is a God
and although i am not a bush fan i agree if u are not for it u r against it
so they obviously are for terrorists and no God
we the people of this nation have gone against them to stop a "threat" in the eyes of dubya

forkagentsmith said:
they dont recognize a creator at all but as i have said before i think the US is founded on Christian beliefs i do not mean to be mean to other religions but alot of it sounds Christian to me so therefor, i believe that God should be recognized....these people who we look to in the time of trouble dont recognize anything so therefor they dont put faith in anything so they cant be stable about anything because they dont believe in the one who made them

You suck.
Just saying.

What if I say you can't be stable in anything because you believe in some unconfirmed entity noone has any proof even exists?

If you're gonna pull out our own existence as proof, that's just dumb. The only proof you have that God made it is word of mouth... what if I made it? I can't prove it, but hey.. doesn't look like that's needed.

On the other hand, most of us don't want you in the UN either... for all I care, you can bugger off and take your war mongering chieftan with you.
 
forkagentsmith said:
i do not mean to be mean to other religions but alot of it sounds Christian to me so therefor, i believe that God should be recognized....
The majority of people in the world is not Christian. The UN should represent the whole world, hence it's better to be neutral (anyway, separation of state & religion is quite a nice concept).

these people who we look to in the time of trouble dont recognize anything
They recognise human rights, good enough for me. At least more than could be said from the Bushites.

they dont believe in the one who made them
There are usually 2 who made them & I suppose, most of them would recognise their parents.
 
forkagentsmith said:
they dont recognize a creator at all but as i have said before i think the US is founded on Christian beliefs i do not mean to be mean to other religions but alot of it sounds Christian to me so therefor, i believe that God should be recognized....these people who we look to in the time of trouble dont recognize anything so therefor they dont put faith in anything so they cant be stable about anything because they dont believe in the one who made them
Not Christian beliefs, just beliefs that happen to be Christian. Many Founding Fathers weren't Christian.

You're making yourself look really dumb now.
 
forkagentsmith said:
should the US stay in the UN?
i say no because they are a safe haven for terrorists and they dont recognize that there is a God
and although i am not a bush fan i agree if u are not for it u r against it
so they obviously are for terrorists and no God

How can one be "for terrorist and no God" ? All terrorists believe in god. That is one of the fundamental principle of terrorism, especially the suicidal type like on 9/11 and in Israel. How can someone be ready to die if they are not certain of some kind of reward (like heaven) in after they die ? Suicide terrorists believe so much in god, heaven and are so convinced about the exclusive truth of their faith that they do not fear to die for it.

I think the US is very similar in Muslim countries that sprout terrorists. Both have a large portion of religious fanatics, and both believe that their religion is the only one right.

The UN being international cannot possibly take side with any religion or god. If the US leaves the UN, that could only create ressentment from the rest of the world and create yet more terrorism from (Muslim) religious fanatics, as the US would lose international support.
 
I'm not sure how believing in God or not believing in God relates to UN membership. Is the UN a religious organization? I thought the UN's charter was something about world peace and benefitting all the people of the world or something...I can't recall anything about God.

Some say the US should withdraw because the aims of the UN are often at odds with US interests-- so much so that we keep holding millions of dollars in dues and committments back. Everytime the general assembly votes against us we pout and throw a tantrum. Gee, the UN doesn't sing "Proud to be an American" before every meeting. They don't vote for a starbucks and mcdonalds on every corner, and they try to condemn every unilateral American action. Let's quit. (Or maybe we should grow up and realize that 95% of the world's population may want some say in what happens on this planet?)

I don't think you should join the clergy of any organization unless you accept their core doctrine. If you don't believe, don't join.

If you are a nation interested in peace and human rights, you need to be a member of the UN. Quitting means my nation has no interest in either.
 
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I don't care about the "God part" of this thread one way or another, but I'm all for America leaving the UN. America needs to take care of Americans and leave the rest of the world alone. And the rest of the world needs to leave America alone.

Also, I think members should speak to eachother with a little bit more respect. Even if they say something you don't like. I don't like telling people things that the admin. and moderaters should, but it doesn't seem like they want to do their jobs.
 
justin-

I agree with you on the respect part.

The America taking care of America and leaving every one elso alone-- I strongly disagree. We have way too many global common ties, interests, and investments and are interdependant. Isolation hasn't worked in 100 years.
 
sabro said:
justin-

I agree with you on the respect part.

The America taking care of America and leaving every one elso alone-- I strongly disagree. We have way too many global common ties, interests, and investments and are interdependant. Isolation hasn't worked in 100 years.

I understand your point, but would it not be better for America to deal with its problems instead of wasting time, money, and people dealing with the UN's problems. I would rather see the people of my country fed and cared for, before rushing off to deal with some UN country that I never heard of. I know this makes me sound cold, but I love my country and I place its needs first.

I am not saying we should abandon the global ties, but we need to take care of the problems here first. As my friend once said on this subject; "Clean up your backyard before you start telling other people what to do in theirs."

I will help the world only after I know my home is safe, but as a free man and not a UN slave.
 
forkagentsmith said:
they dont recognize a creator at all but as i have said before i think the US is founded on Christian beliefs i do not mean to be mean to other religions but alot of it sounds Christian to me so therefor, i believe that God should be recognized....these people who we look to in the time of trouble dont recognize anything so therefor they dont put faith in anything so they cant be stable about anything because they dont believe in the one who made them

If any god was recognised officially by the UN I would do all I can for all the EU to quit the UN immediately, as it would lose its neutrality and could not stand for what it was created anymore.

justin said:
America needs to take care of Americans and leave the rest of the world alone. And the rest of the world needs to leave America alone.

That is never going to happen. China tried the same and ended up a poor, undevelopped country. Anyway, the US has just too many investments and interests all around the world to close itself. All big American business (i.e. the real power behind politics) would be in serious trouble if the US was to live in isolation. Why do you think the US invaded Panama in 1989, Iraq in 1991, Afghanisthan in 2001 and Iraq again in 2003 (just to cite a few) ? All because of money and foreign investments. Just for that reason, I'd like to to see the US isolated and leaving the world at peace. But it is not going to happen and more people become angry at American Imperialism and more people will turn to terrorism against the US. I think that 9/11 is just the beginning of a new global trend of anti-Americanism - justly because the US can't help but put its nose in other countries' business.
 
Justin-
I couldn't agree with maciamo more.

We assume that the millions that the US sends out to handle "UN's problems" is significant. The countries in the EU contribute a significantly higher portion of their GNP to international causes. Although US foreign aid is significant, it is not the only aid flowing into third world countries and in the eyes of many of these people does not balance the "exploitation" of American investment. The United States has a huge trade imbalance. We could not possibly keep sending dollars out for natural resources and manufactured goods without the creation of dollars here. It is a complex economic relationship. Not only are we dependant on foreign goods and resources, but the world economy runs on American Dollars.

Meanwhile short sighted American policy, overt agression, the exportation of our cuture, and the overwhelming poverty of the third world forment hatred toward the US. No matter how much we think we are spending, we are percived as wasteful, uncaring, exploitive and arrogant. Enough so that young men are willing to blow themselves up to kill a few of us.

Solving American problems is more a matter of will than dollars. If the current Republican adminstration or the Democratic party had any interest solving domestic problems, the resources would become available. For example, we had no problem and very little debate finding the billions needed to fight terrorism and invade Afganistan and Iraq. However, we can find no more money to improve education, health care, day care, or fight the urban violence that claims more lives than 9/11 did, year after year. If we spent half of what we spend in Iraq on traffic safety, tens of thousands of lives can be saved. Arab terrorists are a high priority costing billions of dollars, but domestic street gangs (that kill dozens every week) are an acceptable nuisance. It is not that the money is not there, or that it is being spent on foreign countries, it is just that the will to spend it here is not there.
 
America is already heavily involved in world politics and it wouldn't benefit America to be isolated. Therefore, America needs to conduct its business with the world in a way that will keep it in good standing with its business partners = every other country in the world. Being part of the U.N. is the first step towards cooperating with the rest of the world.

All this, "We gotta take care of ourselves first, and then worry about other people," is just closed-minded, egotistical, and won't benefit America in the long run. If you want to take from the world (and America's economy is dependant on it) you've got to give first and cooperate. The attitude that America doesn't need anyone else will eventually be very destructive to the country and doesn't help America to make any friends and allies.
 
i am saying for my reasons the US should get out of the UN
i dont care what everyone else thinks about y i think we should....i simply asked what everyone thought about it....:-/
 
forkagentsmith said:
i dont care what everyone else thinks about y i think we should........:-/

i simply asked what everyone thought about it

"I don't care, I simply asked"?? OOOOh-kay. Usually asking a question implies that an answer is to follow.

I'm sorry, but I think you're a little too young to have formulated rational thoughts on this subject. All you're saying is, "God is good, terrorists are bad, so the U.S. should get out of the U.N."?? Huh? I'm sure you've heard this stuff from your parents or something and are just repeating it without really grasping what you're saying, but you're really just digging your own grave with this one.
 
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