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So, after being new here and spent 2 hours reading this topic, seems almost all previous assumptions were wrong. Let's summarize them (wrong assumptions):
1. Albanians have ones of the most recent e-v13 subclades
2. E-v13 originated north of Danube, Dacia/Moldavia
3. E-v13 spread from east to west Europe
4. So on....
Albanians are now more tested than most Balkan populations so they do have various clades of this and that. Now Albanians emotionally desire for E-V13 to have been primarily Illyrian haplogroup, because Enver Hoxha said so and because many people have this victimization cult "X, Y, Z came to our lands and occupied them bla bla".
My problem with this: V13 was there (Western Balkans) in Neolithic, so if it's primarily Illyrian then it is 2nd rate-Illyrian/Pelasgian. I'm not fond of being 2nd, 3rd rate in anything. Logic says that BA hg's that are usually dispersive have their thing going on, that they don't get ordered around but the opposite. Of course many Albanian V13 gladly play the court jester of J-L283 or R-Z2705, but I don't. You have some basal clades in the East already at CTS1273 level. I do have archaeological and even genetic evidence of V13 clades moving away from the Western Balkans (partly because of arrival of others, presumably J-L283).
Especially what concerns me is my own subclade.
Some archaeologists say that actually Daco-Thracian thing was Late Bronze Age, Early Iron age. Connected with Srubnaya Noa-Coslogeni culture. Some R-Z93's we see around are likely connected to that, but they aren't numerous. Who is numerous and diverse in Daco-Triballian areas with a low TMRCA is actually E-CTS9320. There were other cultures nearby such as Gava, Basarabi who played their part. Honestly I was missing some Srubnaya like, Cimmerian like link for CTS9320 until yesterday, when it turned out that an Ossetian is a basal CTS9320* (at that level) without any links (probably even SNP links) to any other CTS9320 that has been identified.
Other than CTS9320 clades, there is really nothing on the territory of Dacia which wold suggest some proto-Dacians. R-Z2103 in Romania is very weak. R-L51 being much stronger. And Z2103 in Romania mostly from current limited data has recent Southern connections. Such as R-Z2705, R-A12332 cluster found in some Moldavians/Romanians but also Aromanians from Albania, Greece.
So me thinks u've got a problem with Dacian E-V13, but I'm afraid Dacians were 30-50 % E-V13+ population. Who was Dacian, Slavic-Bastarnic I2a?? Or Slavic R1a's? Or R-U152? Some R-L51 might have been there in Dacian times from earlier Urnfield movements but the bulk arrived later. Though also those Celts were Dacian later as they Dacians eventually got better of Celts.
Hey, is somebody here to show us a DECENT grand-picture on what's the real deal with E-v13 haplogroup ? I'm 'fixed' with this E, because in my opinion this haplo contributed most to the forming civilization values of the western world.
In my opinion this haplogroup contributed little to "civilisation values" in Western World. Most of E-V13 in the West descends from Roman legionaries etc.