Was E1b1 very first inhabitants in Europe 42,000 YPD?...or Saami U5 haplogroup?

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Does that mean that they were the very first inhabitants in Europe?

Where haplogroup K (already in Europe) 39,000 YPD

Or even Saami People haplogroup U5 (25,000 years ago, or as early was 50,000 years ago)?
 
Does that mean that they were the very first inhabitants in Europe?

Where haplogroup K (already in Europe) 39,000 YPD

Or even Saami People haplogroup U5 (25,000 years ago, or as early was 50,000 years ago)?

I believe one of them must of been so.
 
The mtDNA haplogroup U5 was most likely the first to arrive in Europe.
As for yDNA it could have been C.
 
Does that mean that they were the very first inhabitants in Europe?

Where haplogroup K (already in Europe) 39,000 YPD

Or even Saami People haplogroup U5 (25,000 years ago, or as early was 50,000 years ago)?

Doubt it. E haplogroup is descended from DE. It's cousins are in South/East Asian Islands outside of Africa. E is descended from South Asian invaders. The mtdna haplogroup M is found alongside them. Ther only place in Africa where M is found is in the horn of Africa and then it gets more common in the middle east where it disappears into the ocean islands. E did not come from Europe.

Most E haplogroup males mated with mtdna L haplogroup females in Africa. The only places where E is dominant is Africa. E1b1b is found in greatest concentrations in North Africa and coastal Africa. E1b1b is reaches its highest concentration in Europe within Kosovo at 47% of the population. Then its Greece 30% of the population. Then the concentration drops off. The further North you go into Europe, the lower the concentrations.

E1b1b is the only type E haplogroup found among Caucasoid populations. The highest concentrations in sub-Saharan Africa are among sub-Saharan Berbers, Cushitic Somalis, Tuaregs, Oromo, Sudanese.

In Africa you will also find Eurasian R, J haplogroups mated to L haplogroup females in some places.

There was some cultural exchange in North Africa where E1b1b males survived I, J, K Eurasian males and possibly were scattered into Europe.

For all we know E1b1b males in Europe could be descendents of ancient slaves shipped to Europe. The Egyptians were notorious for enslaving Africans. E1b1b could be descended from African males who survived Eurasian civilizations.
 
E did not come from Europe.

I have never came across anyone claiming that E comes from Europe, and probably none of the all the other haplogroups. The original E is split into some 40 branches with different timelines and time spans and events. It is probable that all haplogroups made an entrance into Europe from the East. Maybe some subclades made an entrance from North Africa.

E1b1b is the only type E haplogroup found among Caucasoid populations. The highest concentrations in sub-Saharan Africa are among sub-Saharan Berbers, Cushitic Somalis, Tuaregs, Oromo, Sudanese.

It has to be the only type as E1b1b covers ALL the E types found around the world probably mutated in Paleolithic times. I think what you mean is M78 to Z919 to L618 to V13 all the rest are hardly found in Europe.

There was some cultural exchange in North Africa where E1b1b males survived I, J, K Eurasian males and possibly were scattered into Europe.

I presume you mean E-M81 (found amoungst North African Berbers) who have a different time frame and migration routes to other E subclades.

For all we know E1b1b males in Europe could be descendents of ancient slaves shipped to Europe. The Egyptians were notorious for enslaving Africans. E1b1b could be descended from African males who survived Eurasian civilizations.

Sub clades such as E-V13 were found in Europe way before the classical Egyptian era or any slave trade we know of. Besides some of the earliest Pharoes are known to be from the E haplogroup. I dont think they were slaves :grin:... so who were these Notorious Egyptians? E-M78 (which is thought to have been mutated in the area) has been present in Egypt thousands of years before the first pyramids were built and its much more probable that these people were E-folks themselves. You need to know history and get familiar with time frames and possible mutations to be able to compare ;)
 
The big question is

how mtdna u come in africa before 20.000 years :)

Who will not answer you why there are negrois in South Asia becous they not E or D

not answar you with who come mtdna u to africa before 20.000 years
 
the proplem of haplogroup E With tyrants
Who belong to haplogroup E

teams of haplogroup E


They're a group of slaves some arabs and some jews who I will make them pick cotton in my farm This is the place they deserve

If this team slaves continued his work It will our haplogroup remain at the bottom

Are there scientists from e1b1b ?

only people out e1b1b help e1b1b people
Anyone who wants to work this team stands against him

We have smart more than Einstein and bravest warriors of Napoleon and Hitler and ramsis

We are special in this world

But we have traitors and agents They have agendas against somtime i think thise people not m35 and im sure people out m35 help m35 more than thise people

Ten years on this case

You must build a new team does not have innervated and not be slaves like them

Do not blame other

Clean your house first
 
I have never came across anyone claiming that E comes from Europe, and probably none of the all the other haplogroups. The original E is split into some 40 branches with different timelines and time spans and events. It is probable that all haplogroups made an entrance into Europe from the East. Maybe some subclades made an entrance from North Africa.



It has to be the only type as E1b1b covers ALL the E types found around the world probably mutated in Paleolithic times. I think what you mean is M78 to Z919 to L618 to V13 all the rest are hardly found in Europe.



I presume you mean E-M81 (found amoungst North African Berbers) who have a different time frame and migration routes to other E subclades.



Sub clades such as E-V13 were found in Europe way before the classical Egyptian era or any slave trade we know of. Besides some of the earliest Pharoes are known to be from the E haplogroup. I dont think they were slaves :grin:... so who were these Notorious Egyptians? E-M78 (which is thought to have been mutated in the area) has been present in Egypt thousands of years before the first pyramids were built and its much more probable that these people were E-folks themselves. You need to know history and get familiar with time frames and possible mutations to be able to compare ;)

E's were rare deep into Eurasia. If not, non-existent.

Haplogroup E belongs to haplogroup DE. They are characterized by their YAP mutation. They're Yap+. The only yap+ haplogroup found in Asia is D, which is found in Tibet. amongst the Ainu, and pygmies in the Andaman Islands. E's are dominant in sub-Saharan Africa and found in a minority of Southern Europeans and people in the Middle East.


The spread of the E haplogroup around the world has been through sub-Saharan African blacks that were taken to the Americas.

I'm not aware of any early pharaoh with an E haplogroup y-chromosome.
 
E's were rare deep into Eurasia. If not, non-existent.

Haplogroup E belongs to haplogroup DE. They are characterized by their YAP mutation. They're Yap+. The only yap+ haplogroup found in Asia is D, which is found in Tibet. amongst the Ainu, and pygmies in the Andaman Islands. E's are dominant in sub-Saharan Africa and found in a minority of Southern Europeans and people in the Middle East.


The spread of the E haplogroup around the world has been through sub-Saharan African blacks that were taken to the Americas.

I'm not aware of any early pharaoh with an E haplogroup y-chromosome.


http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28269-Ramesses-III-belonged-to-haplogroup-E1b1a

As you can see he was actually E1b1a, the SSA group.

We now know that E1b1b1a (E-M78 and perhaps E-V13) were already in the Carpathian Basin (think Hungary) by 4700 BC, and no, they didn't just "stay for a while". They've been in Europe for about 7,000 years.
 
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28269-Ramesses-III-belonged-to-haplogroup-E1b1a

As you can see he was actually E1b1a, the SSA group.

We now know that E1b1b1a (E-M78 and perhaps E-V13) were already in the Carpathian Basin (think Hungary) by 4700 BC, and no, they didn't just "stay for a while". They've been in Europe for about 7,000 years.

E's were not found all over the world in ancient times. They were pretty much just in Africa with some leaking into western Asia around 5,000 BC. They were not in Asia before that.

There were 2 bodies found in 2 small areas in the basin that were dated to 5000-3000 years ago. It's impossible to say under what circumstances they arrived there but they showed up alongside populations that may have originated in the Middle East.


They were not in Europe before 4900-3000 BC.

E haplogroups have had an extreme minority presence for thousands of years but it's been a minor presence. They were not the original inhabitants of Europe.

The Yap+ y-chromosomes likely originated among Indian Ocean Islanders or people that left Africa but stuck to the coast of Asia, avoiding the mainland. Yap+ y-chromosomes are near non-existent in Asia with only D having a presence in Tibet.

The ancestors of the E-chromosome peoples were likely tropical and aquatic. They may have had canoes. They may have interacted with the ancestors of Polynesians and Australoids. The y-chromosome of E-haplogroup men is closer to those of Andaman Island pygmies and Ainu than those of mainland Eurasians.

49,000 years ago, the ancestors of E-haplogroup men could have been racing the ancestors of Australian aborigines and Polynesians on canoes towards Japan and Australia but then turned back towards Africa.
 
E's were not found all over the world in ancient times. They were pretty much just in Africa with some leaking into western Asia around 5,000 BC. They were not in Asia before that.

There were 2 bodies found in 2 small areas in the basin that were dated to 5000-3000 years ago. It's impossible to say under what circumstances they arrived there but they showed up alongside populations that may have originated in the Middle East.


They were not in Europe before 4900-3000 BC.

Dont forget already a 7000 year old skeleton was found in North West Spain.
 
Do you have a link?

whereas the Y-chromosomal analyses permitted confirmation of the existence in Spain approximately 7,000 y ago of two haplogroups previously associated with the Neolithic transition: G2a and E1b1b1a1b.

http://www.pnas.org/content/108/45/18255.full
 
whereas the Y-chromosomal analyses permitted confirmation of the existence in Spain approximately 7,000 y ago of two haplogroups previously associated with the Neolithic transition: G2a and E1b1b1a1b.

http://www.pnas.org/content/108/45/18255.full

27 specimens. Only 7 could be identified. 6 males, 1 female.

1 out of the males was e. 5 of the males were G.

Again, a sample from around the same time period as the Carpathian Basin skeletons show that G's are dominant in Europe.


This E seems to be a member of a minority.
 
27 specimens. Only 7 could be identified. 6 males, 1 female.

1 out of the males was e. 5 of the males were G.

Again, a sample from around the same time period as the Carpathian Basin skeletons show that G's are dominant in Europe.


This E seems to be a member of a minority.
Perhaps the same way as G is minority now in Europe, though it used to be so dominant. Proportions of haplogroups change from millennium to millennium.
 
27 specimens. Only 7 could be identified. 6 males, 1 female.

1 out of the males was e. 5 of the males were G.

Again, a sample from around the same time period as the Carpathian Basin skeletons show that G's are dominant in Europe.

This is what you just stated a few minutes ago.

E's were not found all over the world in ancient times. They were pretty much just in Africa with some leaking into western Asia around 5,000 BC. They were not in Asia before that.


This E seems to be a member of a minority.[/QUOTE]

In fact they were in Europe around 5,000 BC. You dont seem to be well updated and informed (saying that with respect) but yet you post around like a confident professional which makes your arguments uncredibable anyway with your ballistic statements, or otherwise an obvious agenda of some sort
 
Perhaps the same way as G is minority now in Europe, though it used to be so dominant. Proportions of haplogroups change from millennium to millennium.

All these studies point to G haplogroup males being in Europe a long time before E1b1b's and others showed up. The E1b1b skeleton was found among G haplogroup males. G's were the majority.

For all we know this E1b1b male was a refugee or someone who migrated from North Africa after Eurasians had already established settlements in North Africa. Could have arrived there via a trade route, caravan.
 
This is what you just stated a few minutes ago.




This E seems to be a member of a minority.

In fact they were in Europe around 5,000 BC. You dont seem to be well updated and informed (saying that with respect) but yet you post around like a confident professional which makes your arguments uncredibable anyway with your ballistic statements, or otherwise an obvious agenda of some sort

The body was dated to around 5000-4000 BC. 1 body amongst several. 5 out of the 6 male bodies genetically screened belong to the G haplogroup.

We got look back at the rest of the world at the time. Neolithic Revolution begins around 10000 BC in Asia. The Eurasians have domesticated animals and crops. They're moving around. They're building things. They eventually take Eurasian crops and animals into North Africa.

Could have Eurasian expansion forced groups native to Africa to move? The E1b1b males don't see to be in Europe before or at the beginning of the Neolithic. We have evidence that they got there later.
 
All these studies point to G haplogroup males being in Europe a long time before E1b1b's and others showed up. The E1b1b skeleton was found among G haplogroup males. G's were the majority.
and E could have been their minority for a very long time.
For all we know this E1b1b male was a refugee or someone who migrated from North Africa after Eurasians had already established settlements in North Africa. Could have arrived there via a trade route, caravan.
Let's look at it as one of possibilities, and not the truth.
 
and E could have been their minority for a very long time.
Let's look at it as one of possibilities, and not the truth.

The truth is that none of the studies show E1b1b being present prior to the Neolithic or in the early Neolithic. At the Carpathian site, the E1b1b remains were found at 2 sites among other foreign y-haplogroups. They were not evenly distributed in the region. At the Spanish site, the E1b1b skeleton was found among 5 other males that belonged to G.

There is no evidence of them being present in the early Neolithic or before the Neolithic.
 

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