Where does the Albanian language come from? [VIDEO]

Riverman said:
I wonder whether project members know something of the upcoming results I spoke about, which will be game changers for the E-V13 story:
- Transylvanian EBA-LBA results (Cotofeni, Livezile, Wietenberg etc.)
- Gomolava mass burial site (Kalakacza horizon in the LBA-EIA transition)
- Scythian and Celtic burials from Transylvania which include a significant fraction of local Balkan-like samples (presumably Dacians which descend from Gáva, Basarabi and Vekerzug-Sanislau group)
- Dacia Roman province samples
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There is also the Sarmatian paper that had at least 5 E-V13s from Romania and Hungary, if they added more samples, there will be more. One of the authors said last year the paper is near publishing but that's a common theme with all papers.
I would says those samples are important too, including the Ukranian paper, because we will get a good understand how EIA E-V13s are related to each other from across all regions associated with Daco-thracians.
 
It seems the R1b-Z2103 is also of Illyrian stock as presented from the last year paper. Didn't someone tell me that it's Thracian? What about the other clades of R1b, how do they fit in?

Nearly 40% male continuity in Ghegs, that's a good start.

Illyrian lines seems to outnumber or at least be equal with the Thracian ones.
 
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R1b-Z2103 = 3,100 BC, that's a very rrenjet thing to say, and quite dumb. There is zero evidence R-Z2705 was Illyrian, none. If that were the case there would be side off branches wherever Illyrians went, Italy, Gallic areas, instead there are only side branches of R-BY250, an actual Illyrian R-Z2103, as confirmed by the Glasinac intruders samples in Kamenica burial.

There are parallel branches of R-Z2705 in western Bulgaria(Sofia-Blagoevograd-Kyustandil-Pcinjski(south-east Serbia), eastern Macedonia(Prostip), and a Serbian branch that have no upstream Albanians. The unique Serbian branch is likely an early offshoot of Albanians that lost contact with the main Albanian groups and assimilated, similar to the E-V13 branches in Montenegro and beyond.
 
How many Thracian Z2103 you there? Just a question.

It should be noted that a male with high levels of steppe ancestry discovered in a Vučedol context in Croatia also belonged to Y-chromosomal haplogroup R1b-Z2103 (56).

The most frequent paternal lineage among the Yamnaya, R1b-Z2103 (6, 49), is represented in the ancient Balkans by daughter haplogroup R1b-CTS7556, which was first found in a Maros cultural context in Serbia (Figs. 8-9, S9-S10) (79), suggesting a direct migration of Yamnaya-related groups into the Pannonian plain. In turn, the primary descendant clade of R1b-CTS7556 is R1b-CTS1450, whose various daughter lineages appear in Bronze and Iron Age populations of northeastern Albania (Çinamak) and North Macedonia (Figs. 8-9, S9-S10). Importantly, R1b-CTS1450 lineages directly ancestral to haplogroup R1b-BY611>Z2705 (which today comprises almost exclusively Albanians), were found in BA-IA Çinamak (Fig. S9C). Although these lineages ultimately did not contribute to modern Balkan populations, their presence in Çinamak suggests that the group that introduced R1b-BY611>Z2705 to the territory of modern Albania was located nearby. One of the Bardhoc PostMdv samples belongs to R1b-BY611>Z2705 (Table S22), further supporting our interpretation of that population being related to modern Albanians.
 
Are you illiterate? Did you forget to log in with your other account?

A challenge to any rrenjet inbreds, show me where I said R-Z2705 is Thracian. I've been pushing a Paeonian hypothesis for a long while now, I even made separate thread to consolidate the topic:
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Thread 'Pcinja Culture group - possible source for R-Z2705?'

I found an interesting paper from Bulatovic, where he notes a peculiar Iron Age culture in north-east Macedonia and south-east Serbia, which broadly falls under the channeled ware umbrella but it has clear Brnjica cultural features and based on the footnotes, they inhumated. This strongly suggests an act of defiance/independence against the surrounding E-V13 population around them, as Brnjica used to cremate too, the motivation to switch is to differentiate oneself from rival group.

Location and it's cultural features make it a good candidate for the founding population of R-Z2705, the...
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You're either extrely low IQ or intentionally misrepresnting my claim. I am not obliged to defend a fictious position you made up. Bring your entire clan here, you need will need the help.

As of one your cliff clan leaders said in genarchivists. Some modern basal branches of R-BY611 are about to be added from Hungary. R-BY611 mutation is about 1,700 BC old. The only Yamanaya derived culture around 1,700 BC that was anywhere near Hungary is Vatin. This strongly suggests Vatin was a hub for various R-CTS1450 branches, with R-BY611 being one of the clans.
The first phase of my hypothesis(1-Vatin-2-Brnjica-3-Paeoni-4-Bessi merger-5-migration to Albania) is looking pretty damn good.
I am making consistent make great calls, and you and your clan/rrenjet can only mumble some incoherent tirade about dillirians, dilliradia.

Vatin at it's largest extend:
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What a deranged little man. So what, that I mistaked Thracians for Paeonians, I don't keep up with your posts.
 
Deranged would be having 10 socket accounts in every forum and losing track of which one you logged into.

So what, that I mistaked Thracians for Paeonians, I don't keep up with your posts.
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So why assume?

malok please.
 
I just asked you a question and you got deeply insecure. If this was about E-V13, you'd be writing a wall of text instead of humping on small irrelevant details. Next!
 
There's another Z2103 to be found in Italy related with Illyrians, you're dismissed.
 
R-CTS1450 is a long way from R-Z2705. At one point there will be samples from eastern Macedonia and western Bulgaria, among the northern Paeoni will be found R-Z2705. What are you going to say when that happens?
 
PaleoRevenge said:
R-CTS1450 is a long way from R-Z2705. At one point there will be samples from eastern Macedonia and western Bulgaria, among the northern Paeoni will be found R-Z2705. What are you going to say when that happens?
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I don't care. But I find it ironic that you claim to be so unbiased to the point of refusing the Illyrian theory and lost it completely when some strong evidence popped by to imply higher a Illyrian component than the Thracian/Pannonian one. Bye!
 
Illyrian theory is a mirage, it's only on the table because there are no samples from Paeonian regions, or LBA eastern Serbia.

I'm pointing out you're one of the many sock accounts of rrenjet inbreds. That's is being called out moron. And you are pretty much repeating their talking points from genarchivist.
 
PaleoRevenge said:
Illyrian theory is a mirage, it's only on the table because there are no samples from Paeonian regions, or LBA eastern Serbia.

I'm pointing out you're one of the many sock accounts of rrenjet inbreds. That's is being called out moron. And you are pretty much repeating their talking points from genarchivist.
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I don't have a sock account. And I have nothing to do with Rrenjet.
 
i have never seen a legit paper stating messapic is a illyrian language or script.
Have only ever seen is that it is a mix of tarentine ( argos and sparta areas ) and an ionion islands mix....ie western pelopennese
 
Messapic alphabet, one of two Italian offshoots of the Tarentine–Ionic variety of the Greek alphabet. It was adopted c. 500 bc by the Messapii, who inhabited southeastern Italy in pre-Roman times
 
i still need to link the daunians in foggia italy , who came there from brac and gradina islands and the messapii people in the heel of italy......500 year gap is an issue

i do think ancient albanians have a link with the messapii , but not with the Daunians
 
torzio said:
i have never seen a legit paper stating messapic is a illyrian language or script.
Have only ever seen is that it is a mix of tarentine ( argos and sparta areas ) and an ionion islands mix....ie western pelopennese
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Don't mistake Messapian (in fact Iapygian) language and Messapian system of graphic signs.
"Messapian" language is considered as having ties with Illyrian (whose?) and modern Albanian, without their respective linguistic positions could be clearly established. ATW seems a paleo-Balkanic language. Maybe some recent workI'm not aware of has changed the game?
 
MOESAN said:
Don't mistake Messapian (in fact Iapygian) language and Messapian system of graphic signs.
"Messapian" language is considered as having ties with Illyrian (whose?) and modern Albanian, without their respective linguistic positions could be clearly established. ATW seems a paleo-Balkanic language. Maybe some recent workI'm not aware of has changed the game?
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iapygian refers only to the salentine area, ie, taranto and south if the city.....the heel

all inscriptions are ionic greek

link me what you have
 
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