Whoopi Goldberg: "The Holocaust was not about race"

Goldberg made the comments Monday morning while the panel was discussing a Tennessee school board’s banning of “Maus,” a graphic novel about the Nazi death camps.

"It’s about the Holocaust, the killing of six million people, but that didn’t bother you?" she said. "If you’re going to do this, then let’s be truthful about it. Because the Holocaust isn’t about race. No, it’s not about race.”

Another host, Joy Behar, responded that the Nazis described Jews as a different race.

"But it’s not about race," Goldberg said. "It’s not. It’s about man’s inhumanity to other man."

When another host said that white supremacy was behind the Holocaust — and that Nazis targeted Jewish and Roma people — Goldberg said those are “white groups of people.” When a third host pointed out that the Nazis didn’t view Jews as white, Goldberg said she was “missing the point.”

"The minute you turn it into race, it goes down this alley," Goldberg said. "Let’s talk about it for what it is. It’s how people treat each other. It’s a problem.”

Those *western Jews are white (IMHO), so she's not wrong about that. Most blacks I know think of them in this way too. But the thing is, Nazis didn't think of them as Aryans, but a race-apart and inferior. So the Holocaust was indeed about race.
 
Those *western Jews are white (IMHO), so she's not wrong about that. Most blacks I know think of them in this way too. But the thing is, Nazis didn't think of them as Aryans, but a race-apart and inferior. So the Holocaust was indeed about race.

yet she made a point
Stalin and Pol Pot commited similar atrocities
they didn't need racist theories to justify their acts
ISIS simply uses religion to justify their acts

if you have no respect for others, all kinds of excuses are good enough
 
Those *western Jews are white (IMHO), so she's not wrong about that. Most blacks I know think of them in this way too. But the thing is, Nazis didn't think of them as Aryans, but a race-apart and inferior. So the Holocaust was indeed about race.

The Nazis were using a system based on 19th century anthropology where Europeans were classified into different races. The Slavs were a separate race as well. They also were "racists" in the modern sense in that they saw Africans as sub-human for example.

The Nazis were completely hypocritical. Because Hitler admired Mussolini for having created Fascism the Italians became "honorary" Aryans. I guess the Japanese got the same "honor" too.

She's looking at Jews and seeing "white people", as Americans in general and Black Americans in particular see them. So, how could the Holocaust be about racism?

It's just more Woke B.S. Only blacks can complain about racism. White people can never be the victims of racism; not even Jews. The Woke crowd has even made Asian Americans "white" for purposes of affirmative action.

I mean, you couldn't make this stuff up.

I'm glad she got called on it. This crap has got to stop.

The larger point about man's inhumanity to man is just her trying to get out of the hole she dug for herself.

That whole show is toxic.

Off topic, but did you read how Zucker at CNN was forced to resign? What's going to happen to that idiot/pervert Lemon and that pervert Tobin now without Zucker around to protect them? Not that Fox didn't have their own perverts.

My God, are all our leaders in every institution either corrupt or perverts or both?
 
The Nazis were using a system based on 19th century anthropology where Europeans were classified into different races. The Slavs were a separate race as well. They also were "racists" in the modern sense in that they saw Africans as sub-human for example.

The Nazis were completely hypocritical. Because Hitler admired Mussolini for having created Fascism the Italians became "honorary" Aryans. I guess the Japanese got the same "honor" too.

She's looking at Jews and seeing "white people", as Americans in general and Black Americans in particular see them. So, how could the Holocaust be about racism?

It's just more Woke B.S. Only blacks can complain about racism. White people can never be the victims of racism; not even Jews. The Woke crowd has even made Asian Americans "white" for purposes of affirmative action.

I mean, you couldn't make this stuff up.

I'm glad she got called on it. This crap has got to stop.

The larger point about man's inhumanity to man is just her trying to get out of the hole she dug for herself.

That whole show is toxic.

Off topic, but did you read how Zucker at CNN was forced to resign? What's going to happen to that idiot/pervert Lemon and that pervert Tobin now without Zucker around to protect them? Not that Fox didn't have their own perverts.

My God, are all our leaders in every institution either corrupt or perverts or both?

Wow! I'm going to read it now. Thanks for putting that on my radar.

Also, Asians in the US are indeed honorary whites, because "systemic racism" doesn't seem to apply to them, because of their success.

A few weeks ago a young Asian woman was pushed in front of an on-coming subway train in 42nd street, and was killed instantly. The perpetrator was a homeless black man with mental issues, and a long rap sheet. Where is the outrage, now? If I recall, I don't even think they called it a "hate crime".

Also, apparently Goldberg is not her real name either. I'm not sure why she has a Jewish name.
 
Yes it was about race, the race definitions by the NAZI's. And it was also about dehumanization of people. So both. So what has gone into Goldberg?

I guess her career is going to be the lead role in Ghost 2. :)
 
There was also a factor of religious persecution. In the past, hatred against Jews was often fuelled by Christians and Muslims. Religious people turned against them, not because they belonged to another race, but because they did not believe in the right God. Goldberg explained that racism is about skin color, and that Jewish persecution in World War II was different because “you couldn’t tell who was Jewish.” Ashkenazi Jews have genetic ancestry intermediate between European (EU) and Middle-Eastern (ME) sources. More than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with 50 percent of the paternal lineages from the Ashkenazi Y chromosome originated in the Near East.
 
I have a strong feeling that it was scripted by ABC on purpose for publicity stunt. She is now threating to leave and plus she probably got her check in her 2 week suspension. Something unnatural in the conversation the way she said it; "2 groups of white people" and "let's be real".

https://nypost.com/2022/02/02/whoopi-goldberg-threatening-to-quit-the-view-source/

In a way, it seems so bizarre that she would make such a faux pas like this. It could have even been on her own volition.


Celebrities pull weird stunts sometimes, like Alec Baldwin's wife claiming to be Spanish, which is a lie. Or Jussie Smollett committing a hate crime hoax.


Also, I was mistaken earlier, apparently she claims to be Jewish too.
 
There was also a factor of religious persecution. In the past, hatred against Jews was often fuelled by Christians and Muslims. Religious people turned against them, not because they belonged to another race, but because they did not believe in the right God. Goldberg explained that racism is about skin color, and that Jewish persecution in World War II was different because “you couldn’t tell who was Jewish.” Ashkenazi Jews have genetic ancestry intermediate between European (EU) and Middle-Eastern (ME) sources. More than 80 percent of the maternal lineages of Ashkenazi Jews could be traced to Europe, with 50 percent of the paternal lineages from the Ashkenazi Y chromosome originated in the Near East.

All very true, but as far as the Holocaust was concerned, even if you were only half Jewish "genetically", absent some rare exceptions you were going to be killed, whether or not you had converted to Christianity. It didn't matter to the Nazi party, which abhorred Christianity anyway, as a "Jewish" religion. Even their marriages weren't Christian. I just saw a documentary about Eva Braun's sister, and it included details about her marriage to an absolute beast of a man, a mass murderer and slaughterer of innocents who was later executed by Hitler for desertion. Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person, if for different reasons.

As for Goldberg's comment that it couldn't have been racism because you couldn't tell who was Jewish, she needs to read first hand accounts of Germany and Poland and Russia in the 30s and 40s. Most Jews did indeed look different from most Germans and Poles and Russians. Some of the most painful reading I've done in the subject, and the accounts of survivors on youtube, are the ones that detail how the "Aryan looking" girls had a much better chance of survival, and so the parents would gather what money and contacts they had and use it all for that child, leaving the rest to die.

There's also a really good movie, based on a true story, that recounts how a Jewish man, who could "pass" in Poland, put his own life at risk because he wouldn't go into hiding without his much more Jewish looking wife and child. He paid for it with his life. I'll try to find the name of it.

It's true the same problem didn't exist in Italy. The Germans there indeed could rarely tell the difference except, of course, that Italian men weren't circumcised, so again the women stood a better chance of survival. Also, the Italians refused to hand over their Jews, and the transports only began when Germany occupied and took complete control of Italy, so they had longer to prepare and hide.

Again, Whoopi is looking at all of this through the prism of modern America, where "white" people come in various types, and where nose jobs, mixed ancestry etc. further blurs the lines. It wasn't like that in the Europe of the 30s and 40s.
 
Italian and German Jews didn't either live in ghettos and few were Hassidic or Orthodox. They wore clothes that common people did in Germany and Italy and spoke their languages fluently. This wasn't the case in Poland to a large extent. Many didn't speak Polish and many looked Hassidic. They were easy to spot on arrival. Even if many were light, eyes, and hair, a trained eye would recognize someone being Jewish on their face and general appearance.

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All practicing Italian Jews were Orthodox, as were practicing German Jews. Reform and Conservative sects are, to the best of my knowledge American institutions. You're right in that most of them weren't Hasidic. Also, many were "secular" Jews, i.e. assimilated Jews who only rarely went to shul.

Still, even in "secular" clothing, many German Jews would have had difficulty "passing" in Germany. There was less difficulty in Italy because it was easier to "pass" in terms of phenotype, especially when Germans were doing the judging.

I'm sure to many of them, all "Mediterranean" types looked the same. :)

Gli Studenti Ebrei del Manzoni

http://www.brianzapopolare.it/sezioni/storia/gani/20030127_om_arosio.htm
 
All practicing Italian Jews were Orthodox, as were practicing German Jews. Reform and Conservative sects are, to the best of my knowledge American institutions. You're right in that most of them weren't Hasidic. Also, many were "secular" Jews, i.e. assimilated Jews who only rarely went to shul.

Still, even in "secular" clothing, many German Jews would have had difficulty "passing" in Germany. There was less difficulty in Italy because it was easier to "pass" in terms of phenotype, especially when Germans were doing the judging.

I'm sure to many of them, all "Mediterranean" types looked the same. :)

Gli Studenti Ebrei del Manzoni

http://www.brianzapopolare.it/sezioni/storia/gani/20030127_om_arosio.htm

Western Jews are more Southern European than they are Ancient Levantine, so they would probably look more Mediterranean because of that.
 
In a way, it seems so bizarre that she would make such a faux pas like this. It could have even been on her own volition.


Celebrities pull weird stunts sometimes, like Alec Baldwin's wife claiming to be Spanish, which is a lie. Or Jussie Smollett committing a hate crime hoax.


Also, I was mistaken earlier, apparently she claims to be Jewish too.

Yeah but I think that ABC made her do it. A good proportion of the show is scripted and in general most shows are heavily scripted.
No way she would bring the Holocaust out of nowhere in the interview.

Apologizing and then threating to leave.
 
The holocaust wasn't about race, except all that "Aryan race" stuff.

99% of television is garbage, so nothing new here.
 
The holocaust wasn't about race, except all that "Aryan race" stuff.

99% of television is garbage, so nothing new here.

A contradiction in one sentence, who didn't belong to the 'Aryan race' was Untermensch. What equaled a license to kill.
 
Wow! I'm going to read it now. Thanks for putting that on my radar.

Also, Asians in the US are indeed honorary whites, because "systemic racism" doesn't seem to apply to them, because of their success.

A few weeks ago a young Asian woman was pushed in front of an on-coming subway train in 42nd street, and was killed instantly. The perpetrator was a homeless black man with mental issues, and a long rap sheet. Where is the outrage, now? If I recall, I don't even think they called it a "hate crime".

Also, apparently Goldberg is not her real name either. I'm not sure why she has a Jewish name.
I believe it was her first husband's name which she kept after the divorce.
 

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