Your G25 distances for ancient and modern

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Post your ancient distances for ancient (individuals and averaged) as well as modern (individuals and modern).

Here you have the source ready made by Vahaduo G25: https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/indexg25.html

I am North-East Gheg by descent.

Ancient

Individuals

Distance to:Hawk_scaled
0.02996871SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I12105
0.03299762HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43
0.03397282HUN_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup:I18259
0.03438320IND_Roopkund_B:I6936
0.03482785HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36
0.03561805HUN_La_Tene:I18493
0.03569511GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.03749184DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1:NIEcap3b
0.03756047HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37
0.03811515HRV_Pop_CA:pOP39
0.03823018HRV_EIA:I23904
0.03832633ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR55
0.03939485ITA_Daunian:ORD009
0.03939553IND_Roopkund_B:I3404
0.03943402Scythian_MDA:scy192
0.03964654ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR33
0.03980929HRV_EIA:I26742
0.04000153GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log04
0.04000693SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I12098
0.04003507SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23205
0.04018759ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR36
0.04023831SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros_oAegean:MOK17A
0.04031992Scythian_MDA:scy197
0.04048246ITA_Tarquinia_EMA:TAQ022
0.04074609HUN_LBA_EIA:I11683
0.04081200SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I11721
0.04085139DEU_MA_ACD_Baiuvaric:NW_54
0.04117742ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b
0.04135765ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance:RMPR970
0.04174284HRV_MBA:I4331
0.04206426HUN_BA:I7043
0.04220230DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2:NIEcap3c
0.04226506VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA:VK538
0.04232969HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ28
0.04239937ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1287
0.04252108ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
0.04253080UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12
0.04253610SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23208
0.04254209Levant_LBN_MA_o4:SI-53
0.04254560HRV_LIA_La_Tene:I26735
0.04255467HUN_La_Tene:I18491
0.04281506HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast:I18832
0.04297053HRV_EBA:I3499
0.04324516HRV_EIA:I24882
0.04341950HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ32
0.04353485HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18529
0.04374269ITA_Chiusi_EMA:ETR007
0.04392579Scythian_MDA:scy305
0.04399249DEU_MA_ACD_Nordic:STR_310
0.04406290HUN_IA_La_Tene_o:I4998



Average

Distance to:Hawk_scaled
0.03127468GRC_Logkas_MBA
0.03397282HUN_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup
0.03401622ITA_Rome_MA
0.03749184DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1
0.03811515HRV_Pop_CA
0.03869802ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
0.03970820SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros_oAegean
0.04074609HUN_LBA_EIA
0.04078422Scythian_MDA
0.04220230DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2
0.04244692ITA_Chiusi_EMA
0.04252108ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04253080UKR_Cimmerian_o
0.04254209Levant_LBN_MA_o4
0.04254560HRV_LIA_La_Tene
0.04273039HRV_EIA
0.04281506HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast
0.04290352VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA
0.04297053HRV_EBA
0.04367206ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance
0.04399249DEU_MA_ACD_Nordic
0.04423490HRV_IA
0.04462735HUN_La_Tene
0.04532463ITA_Tarquinia_EMA
0.04533553HRV_MBA
0.04777632ITA_Daunian
0.04922098ITA_Etruscan
0.04926197HRV_MBA_LBA
0.04965166CZE_LBA_Knoviz_o3
0.04993455ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana
0.05001686ITA_PoggioPelliccia_EMA
0.05014902ITA_Etruria_Imperial
0.05018259IND_Roopkund_B
0.05250864SVK_LIA
0.05317830SVN_LBA_EIA
0.05405847BGR_IA
0.05413506SVK_IA_Vekerzug
0.05447815ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o
0.05459443SRB_BA_Maros
0.05498779SVN_EIA
0.05546150HUN_EIA
0.05608661AUT_IA_La_Tene
0.05669897Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.05789492HUN_IA_La_Tene
0.05831901ROU_Glavanesti_o1
0.05836193ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole
0.05845128HUN_MBA_Vatya
0.05854243SVN_MBA
0.05909420Bell_Beaker_ITA
0.05939938HUN_Avar_Period



Modern

Individuals

Distance to:Hawk_scaled
0.02241328Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.02298308Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.02405527Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02489572Macedonian:Macedonian8
0.02634364Greek_Macedonia:678
0.02670124Greek_Peloponnese:625
0.02755698Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.02805644Greek_Macedonia:675
0.02817412Greek_Peloponnese:623
0.02829468Albanian:AL29
0.02903121Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE126
0.02915547Albanian:ALB220
0.02935156Albanian:AL12
0.02963458Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.02964643Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02985366Italian_Piedmont:piedmont61
0.02988230Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP9
0.03036625Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.03090196Albanian:ALB213
0.03094222Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03094476Greek_Peloponnese:629
0.03102132Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP5
0.03107520Greek_Macedonia:676
0.03110176Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP14
0.03128940Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP10
0.03144267Albanian:AL9
0.03171822Greek_Izmir:GreeceF28k
0.03179056Greek_Peloponnese:633
0.03206578Albanian:ALB202
0.03207932Albanian:ALB212
0.03250122Italian_Veneto:ALP273
0.03257003Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
0.03266811Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP3
0.03274374Albanian:ALB230
0.03277755Italian_Umbria:pG04
0.03281268Italian_Piedmont:piedmont154
0.03301506Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03301561Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
0.03306895Italian_Marche:MarADC050D
0.03308518Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP4
0.03309522Moldovan:MOL-065
0.03338167Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
0.03346014Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP17
0.03404263Rumelia_East:651
0.03418495Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP18
0.03419011Greek_Macedonia:684
0.03434268Greek_Macedonia:674
0.03441474Italian_Tuscany:VO109
0.03455388Greek_Izmir:GreeceSmyrna58
0.03481325Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont149



Averaged

Distance to:Hawk_scaled
0.02208450Albanian
0.02223885Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02502524Rumelia_East
0.02615174Greek_Thessaly
0.02617257Greek_Macedonia
0.02856707Greek_Peloponnese
0.03190721Swiss_Italian
0.03270794Italian_Tuscany
0.03285553Italian_Piedmont
0.03499672Italian_Marche
0.03575619Gagauz
0.03620279Greek_Laconia
0.03621515Italian_Veneto
0.03675538Bulgarian
0.03703866Italian_Umbria
0.03767072Macedonian
0.03827807Italian_Northeast
0.03839669Greek_Izmir
0.03945753Italian_Molise
0.04018437Italian_Bergamo
0.04083347Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04122828Italian_Liguria
0.04179356Italian_Lazio
0.04195991Romanian
0.04260177Italian_Abruzzo
0.04272890Italian_Lombardy
0.04367691French_Corsica
0.04662734Italian_Apulia
0.04694958Italian_Basilicata
0.04717438Montenegrin
0.04741264Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.05003745Serbian
0.05051159French_Provence
0.05056681Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05364505Italian_Campania
0.05411850Sicilian_West
0.05486484Sicilian_East
0.05487067Spanish_Mallorca
0.05536935Spanish_Baleares
0.05596625Spanish_Menorca
0.05687880Greek_Crete
0.05718283Swiss_French
0.05721339Spanish_Eivissa
0.05743441Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.05793624Moldovan
0.05797167Italian_Calabria
0.05847683Ashkenazi_Russia
0.05904414Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.06032497Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06044947Spanish_Girona

 
Ancient

Individuals

Distance to:Stuvanè_scaled
0.02629460ITA_Collegno_MA:CL36
0.02719924GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.02774426DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1:NIEcap3b
0.02849500ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1287
0.02945251ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
0.03148413ITA_Collegno_MA:CL23
0.03162429HRV_IA:I3313
0.03239788ITA_Tarquinia_EMA:TAQ011
0.03290666HRV_MBA:I26726
0.03378945SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23205
0.03420867HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37
0.03423024ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR33
0.03432747DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2:NIEcap3c
0.03489749CZE_LBA_Knoviz_o3:I13786
0.03520615HUN_La_Tene:I18493
0.03546185SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I12099
0.03583144HUN_LBA_EIA:I11683
0.03583666ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105
0.03633963ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1285
0.03636160ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR121
0.03684350Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5524
0.03698117HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36
0.03712451SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I12105
0.03754735Scythian_MDA:scy305
0.03763420CZE_IA_La_Tene:I17139

Average

Distance to:Stuvanè_scaled
0.02751752GRC_Logkas_MBA
0.02774426DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1
0.02943521ITA_Rome_MA
0.02945251ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.03162429HRV_IA
0.03432747DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2
0.03490628SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros_oAegean
0.03551643ITA_Tarquinia_EMA
0.03579864ITA_Chiusi_EMA
0.03583144HUN_LBA_EIA
0.03618864ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
0.03883397ITA_PoggioPelliccia_EMA
0.03952428VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA
0.03992107ITA_Etruscan
0.04015272HRV_EBA
0.04038362HRV_EIA
0.04245889HUN_La_Tene
0.04254700HUN_EIA
0.04513600HRV_MBA
0.04534155HUN_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup
0.04552900Scythian_MDA
0.04577544CZE_LBA_Knoviz_o3
0.04666663Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.04705304HRV_Pop_CA
0.04767488SVN_LBA_EIA



Modern

Individuals

Distance to:Stuvanè_scaled
0.01792143Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
0.01970336Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany38
0.02443014Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont136
0.02458635Italian_Lombardy:BGD31
0.02514554Italian_Marche:MarADG030D
0.02528954Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
0.02559946Italian_Liguria:ALP099
0.02585021Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany98
0.02641488Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont98
0.02741994Italian_Marche:MarABG010D
0.02783902Albanian:AL82
0.02874896Italian_Lombardy:BGD103
0.02902313Italian_Marche:MarADC050D
0.02939139Italian_Veneto:ALP249
0.02956415Italian_Marche:MarACO060D
0.03020412Italian_Veneto:ALP322
0.03073507Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.03085607Italian_Marche:MarABQ080D
0.03146339Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.03155122Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01153
0.03162060Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.03170948Italian_Veneto:ALP040
0.03183316Albanian:AL17
0.03207413Albanian:ALB230
0.03207830Italian_Lombardy:BGD301

Average

Distance to:Stuvanè_scaled
0.02559946Italian_Liguria
0.02578946Italian_Lombardy
0.02784830Italian_Piedmont
0.02890115Greek_Thessaly
0.03085707Italian_Marche
0.03108708Italian_Tuscany
0.03117244Italian_Bergamo
0.03164471Greek_Macedonia
0.03395817Swiss_Italian
0.03488089Albanian
0.03593146Italian_Veneto
0.03611197French_Corsica
0.03679646Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03723127Italian_Lazio
0.03774512Italian_Umbria
0.03885696Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03920886Greek_Peloponnese
0.04076855Italian_Abruzzo
0.04101491Italian_Molise
0.04173885Italian_Northeast
0.04244053Rumelia_East
0.04317431Gagauz
0.04330361Sicilian_West
0.04422228Italian_Apulia
0.04518076Spanish_Menorca
 
individuals

Distance to: Vettor_scaled
0.02518352 CZE_IA_La_Tene:I17139
0.02534923 HRV_EIA:I24639
0.02559149 Bell_Beaker_Bavaria:I5524
0.02643753 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR105
0.02672678 AUT_IA_La_Tene:I11701
0.02691569 ITA_Collegno_MA:CL23
0.02719342 ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR61
0.02746117 CZE_LBA_Knoviz_o3:I13786
0.02790803 HRV_MBA:I26774
0.02819868 DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1:NIEcap3b
0.02830732 ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
0.02911866 ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR33
0.03182111 VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA:VK538
0.03189708 SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:MOK29A
0.03215508 DEU_MA_ACD_Baiuvaric:NW_54
0.03252252 HUN_La_Tene:I18493
0.03259996 SVN_EIA:I22940
0.03292814 HUN_LBA_EIA:I11683
0.03319096 SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I12099
0.03349606 HRV_MBA:I26726
0.03357848 HRV_EIA:I23996
0.03371179 HRV_IA:I3313
0.03376668 HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18834
0.03403269 HUN_La_Tene:I18491
0.03421705 HUN_La_Tene:I18489


Target: Vettor_scaled
Distance: 0.5647% / 0.00564656 | ADC: 0.25x RC
29.6 CZE_LBA_Knoviz_o3
15.0 SVK_IA_Vekerzug
13.8 ITA_Collegno_MA
9.8 DEU_MA_Baiuvaric
8.0 ITA_Venosa_EMA
6.4 VK2020_POL_Krakow_MA
4.4 Scythian_MDA
4.2 VK2020_DNK_Langeland_VA
3.4 AUT_IA_La_Tene
2.8 DEU_MA_ACD_Baiuvaric
2.6 ITA_Rome_MA
 
modern individual

Distance to: Vettor_scaled
0.01668100 Italian_Veneto:ALP249
0.01917044 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP420
0.02042612 Italian_Veneto:ALP322
0.02147385 Italian_Northeast:ALP233
0.02198151 Italian_Northeast:KF2700960
0.02202233 Italian_Northeast:KF1800761
0.02222737 Italian_Northeast:ALP280
0.02322639 Italian_Northeast:ALP506
0.02457977 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP070
0.02540501 Italian_Liguria:ALP099
0.02545644 Italian_Lombardy:BGD103
0.02684515 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont127
0.02693720 Italian_Veneto:ALP250
0.02759014 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont98
0.02761297 Italian_Northeast:ALP346
0.02817449 Italian_Veneto:ALP273
0.02846632 Italian_Veneto:ALP040
0.02868206 Romanian:G421
0.02880684 Italian_Aosta_Valley:Aosta18
0.02931015 Italian_Veneto:ALP022
0.02936533 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont136
0.02974206 Italian_Lombardy:BGD31
0.02975678 Italian_Bergamo:HGDP01153
0.03020093 Italian_Veneto:KF1803109
0.03028001 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
 
modern average


Distance to: Vettor_scaled
0.02523376 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02540501 Italian_Liguria
0.02635030 Italian_Bergamo
0.02642337 Italian_Lombardy
0.02669029 Italian_Veneto
0.02682413 Italian_Northeast
0.02930795 Italian_Piedmont
0.03325103 French_Provence
0.03388501 Swiss_Italian
0.03547375 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03588205 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03633680 Spanish_Menorca
0.03831781 Spanish_Baleares
0.03832107 Greek_Thessaly
0.03858178 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03859111 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03861731 Italian_Tuscany
0.03866994 Romanian
0.03885199 Greek_Macedonia
0.03907481 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03920017 Bulgarian
0.03963424 Albanian
0.04009899 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.04014390 Gagauz
0.04040026 French_Auvergne
 
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Imagine that. Put both Ancient G25 Individual and Modern G25 Individual. And still the oldest L283 in the Balkans shows up in my closest samples, from ancient and moderns. If anyone was to comment on this I know what they would say, and I know my retort to it, but that's besides the point.

Ps. I have noticed a lot among Italians and Greeks, there is this thinking that Albanians are similar to South Italians, or that South Albanians are closer to Greeks than North Albanians. Time and time again I have heard this in various fora, and even other mediums. That is very wrong. Everytime I see samples and analyze them Albanians if anything have similar autosomal to Tuscans/Piedmontese samples, strangely in multiple calculators even Swiss Italians. While at the same time South Albanians do not have a closer affinity to Greeks than North Albanians. If anything even Kosovars on multiple calculators have among the closest matches Mainland Greeks. Am not sure where and why such false narratives took hold, but maybe due to Geography or phenotype based stereotypes?

Edit:
Disclaimer: Found out after some analysis that I23208 is not the L283, the L283 is in fact MOK15.
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Since I am going out for a drink and a quick search did not yield l23208's Haplogroup, maybe I will edit it in later.
 
What about ancient samples? You don't need to take screenshots, just copy and paste it here, it will automatically style it. Also, pick showing in the list of distance 50 samples instead of 25.
 
Hawk said:
What about ancient samples? You don't need to take screenshots, just copy and paste it here, it will automatically style it. Also, pick showing in the list of distance 50 samples instead of 25.
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Distance to:A0_scaled
0.03142469SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23208
0.03521682ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR55
0.03607511HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36
0.03614399HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43
0.03721195SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I12105
0.03811974VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA:VK538
0.03824019ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance:RMPR970
0.03903141IND_Roopkund_B:I3404
0.03947457HRV_Pop_CA:pOP39
0.04019277ITA_Daunian:ORD009
0.04048432SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I11721
0.04053000HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18529
0.04087900SRB_BA_Maros:I23209
0.04141125HUN_IA_La_Tene_o:I4998
0.04146549ITA_Tarquinia_EMA:TAQ022
0.04159570IND_Roopkund_B:I6936
0.04165812HRV_MBA:I4331
0.04183924Scythian_MDA:scy192
0.04187510HRV_EIA:I23904
0.04224712HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast:I18832
0.04241981SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:MOK26A
0.04244957HUN_BA:I7043
0.04248234HUN_IA_La_Tene:I25522
0.04251500DEU_MA_ACD_Nordic:STR_310
0.04334224HUN_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup:I18259

 
Hawk said:
That Maros sample is at 0.04 distance with me, so you are quite close to him. I am getting quite a lot those Pannonian samples.

Curious, what is your standard components from Davidski admixture(results from single): https://g25vahaduo.genetics.ovh/Global-standard.htm
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The Han is very interesting. Comes up in most sophisticated calculators. It is too much to be noise. Sometimes as is this case it comes out as Far East Asian. If it was Roma ancestry it would be South East Asian ancestry. If it was Mongo it would be central Asian like. Rather after some analysis I did years ago it seems of Yellow River BA Farmer stock. But on other calculators it is split into two equal .8 parts, of South Amerian Natives and Papuan... My current hypothesis is it was some Siberian HG rich population, the only thing that could explain all three vectors. In fact Siberian 8k+ yo populations yielded good models when I last played with them. So did Motala Sweden 6-8kya.

The other interesting part is PPNB. Not sure if other Albos have this too, but I guess this is why some older calculators assign me Jewish pops in the two way calculation. I looked into my Y and autosomal matches, but my Y is not the Cohanim L283 line responsible for some 1/5-1/4 of modern Cohanims, neither do I have Ashkenazi/Sephardic matches on FTDNA.

Would be interested to check your results with the same calc for comparison.

My father line lived the last 8 generations in North Macedonia, before that they hailed from Peladhi.
My mother line is from Southern Albania at least 5 generations back. YDNA - G2-P15>L30>M406
 
You are the first Albanian i am seeing who don't score Tepecik_Ciftlik_N at all, instead you score Levant_PPNB. Interesting.

Here is mine.



Target: Hawk_scaled
Distance: 2.7935% / 0.02793452
49.2TUR_Barcin_N
38.0Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.0WHG
 
Hawk said:
Post your ancient distances for ancient (individuals and averaged) as well as modern (individuals and modern).

Here you have the source ready made by Vahaduo G25: https://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/indexg25.html

I am North-East Gheg by descent.

Ancient

Individuals

Distance to:Hawk_scaled
0.02996871SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I12105
0.03299762HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ43
0.03397282HUN_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup:I18259
0.03438320IND_Roopkund_B:I6936
0.03482785HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ36
0.03561805HUN_La_Tene:I18493
0.03569511GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log02
0.03749184DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1:NIEcap3b
0.03756047HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ37
0.03811515HRV_Pop_CA:pOP39
0.03823018HRV_EIA:I23904
0.03832633ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR55
0.03939485ITA_Daunian:ORD009
0.03939553IND_Roopkund_B:I3404
0.03943402Scythian_MDA:scy192
0.03964654ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR33
0.03980929HRV_EIA:I26742
0.04000153GRC_Logkas_MBA:Log04
0.04000693SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I12098
0.04003507SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23205
0.04018759ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity:RMPR36
0.04023831SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros_oAegean:MOK17A
0.04031992Scythian_MDA:scy197
0.04048246ITA_Tarquinia_EMA:TAQ022
0.04074609HUN_LBA_EIA:I11683
0.04081200SVK_IA_Vekerzug:I11721
0.04085139DEU_MA_ACD_Baiuvaric:NW_54
0.04117742ITA_Etruscan:RMPR474b
0.04135765ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance:RMPR970
0.04174284HRV_MBA:I4331
0.04206426HUN_BA:I7043
0.04220230DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2:NIEcap3c
0.04226506VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA:VK538
0.04232969HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ28
0.04239937ITA_Rome_MA:RMPR1287
0.04252108ITA_Proto-Villanovan:RMPR1
0.04253080UKR_Cimmerian_o:MJ12
0.04253610SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros:I23208
0.04254209Levant_LBN_MA_o4:SI-53
0.04254560HRV_LIA_La_Tene:I26735
0.04255467HUN_La_Tene:I18491
0.04281506HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast:I18832
0.04297053HRV_EBA:I3499
0.04324516HRV_EIA:I24882
0.04341950HUN_MA_Szolad:SZ32
0.04353485HUN_IA_La_Tene:I18529
0.04374269ITA_Chiusi_EMA:ETR007
0.04392579Scythian_MDA:scy305
0.04399249DEU_MA_ACD_Nordic:STR_310
0.04406290HUN_IA_La_Tene_o:I4998


Average

Distance to:Hawk_scaled
0.03127468GRC_Logkas_MBA
0.03397282HUN_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup
0.03401622ITA_Rome_MA
0.03749184DEU_MA_Alemannic_o1
0.03811515HRV_Pop_CA
0.03869802ITA_Rome_Late_Antiquity
0.03970820SRB_Mokrin_EBA_Maros_oAegean
0.04074609HUN_LBA_EIA
0.04078422Scythian_MDA
0.04220230DEU_MA_Alemannic_o2
0.04244692ITA_Chiusi_EMA
0.04252108ITA_Proto-Villanovan
0.04253080UKR_Cimmerian_o
0.04254209Levant_LBN_MA_o4
0.04254560HRV_LIA_La_Tene
0.04273039HRV_EIA
0.04281506HUN_IA_La_Tene_oEast
0.04290352VK2020_ITA_Foggia_MA
0.04297053HRV_EBA
0.04367206ITA_Tivoli_Renaissance
0.04399249DEU_MA_ACD_Nordic
0.04423490HRV_IA
0.04462735HUN_La_Tene
0.04532463ITA_Tarquinia_EMA
0.04533553HRV_MBA
0.04777632ITA_Daunian
0.04922098ITA_Etruscan
0.04926197HRV_MBA_LBA
0.04965166CZE_LBA_Knoviz_o3
0.04993455ITA_Etruscan_Marsiliana
0.05001686ITA_PoggioPelliccia_EMA
0.05014902ITA_Etruria_Imperial
0.05018259IND_Roopkund_B
0.05250864SVK_LIA
0.05317830SVN_LBA_EIA
0.05405847BGR_IA
0.05413506SVK_IA_Vekerzug
0.05447815ITA_Prenestini_tribe_IA_o
0.05459443SRB_BA_Maros
0.05498779SVN_EIA
0.05546150HUN_EIA
0.05608661AUT_IA_La_Tene
0.05669897Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE
0.05789492HUN_IA_La_Tene
0.05831901ROU_Glavanesti_o1
0.05836193ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole
0.05845128HUN_MBA_Vatya
0.05854243SVN_MBA
0.05909420Bell_Beaker_ITA
0.05939938HUN_Avar_Period


Modern

Individuals

Distance to:Hawk_scaled
0.02241328Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP11
0.02298308Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
0.02405527Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
0.02489572Macedonian:Macedonian8
0.02634364Greek_Macedonia:678
0.02670124Greek_Peloponnese:625
0.02755698Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP8
0.02805644Greek_Macedonia:675
0.02817412Greek_Peloponnese:623
0.02829468Albanian:AL29
0.02903121Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE126
0.02915547Albanian:ALB220
0.02935156Albanian:AL12
0.02963458Italian_Veneto:ALP209
0.02964643Bulgarian:BulgarianD6
0.02985366Italian_Piedmont:piedmont61
0.02988230Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP9
0.03036625Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
0.03090196Albanian:ALB213
0.03094222Macedonian:Macedonian2
0.03094476Greek_Peloponnese:629
0.03102132Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP5
0.03107520Greek_Macedonia:676
0.03110176Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP14
0.03128940Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP10
0.03144267Albanian:AL9
0.03171822Greek_Izmir:GreeceF28k
0.03179056Greek_Peloponnese:633
0.03206578Albanian:ALB202
0.03207932Albanian:ALB212
0.03250122Italian_Veneto:ALP273
0.03257003Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige:ALP200
0.03266811Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP3
0.03274374Albanian:ALB230
0.03277755Italian_Umbria:pG04
0.03281268Italian_Piedmont:piedmont154
0.03301506Moldovan:MOL-024
0.03301561Italian_Tuscany:NA20502
0.03306895Italian_Marche:MarADC050D
0.03308518Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP4
0.03309522Moldovan:MOL-065
0.03338167Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany27
0.03346014Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP17
0.03404263Rumelia_East:651
0.03418495Greek_Central_Macedonia:GREEKGRALPOP18
0.03419011Greek_Macedonia:684
0.03434268Greek_Macedonia:674
0.03441474Italian_Tuscany:VO109
0.03455388Greek_Izmir:GreeceSmyrna58
0.03481325Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont149


Averaged

Distance to:Hawk_scaled
0.02208450Albanian
0.02223885Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02502524Rumelia_East
0.02615174Greek_Thessaly
0.02617257Greek_Macedonia
0.02856707Greek_Peloponnese
0.03190721Swiss_Italian
0.03270794Italian_Tuscany
0.03285553Italian_Piedmont
0.03499672Italian_Marche
0.03575619Gagauz
0.03620279Greek_Laconia
0.03621515Italian_Veneto
0.03675538Bulgarian
0.03703866Italian_Umbria
0.03767072Macedonian
0.03827807Italian_Northeast
0.03839669Greek_Izmir
0.03945753Italian_Molise
0.04018437Italian_Bergamo
0.04083347Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04122828Italian_Liguria
0.04179356Italian_Lazio
0.04195991Romanian
0.04260177Italian_Abruzzo
0.04272890Italian_Lombardy
0.04367691French_Corsica
0.04662734Italian_Apulia
0.04694958Italian_Basilicata
0.04717438Montenegrin
0.04741264Ukrainian_Zhytomyr_o
0.05003745Serbian
0.05051159French_Provence
0.05056681Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05364505Italian_Campania
0.05411850Sicilian_West
0.05486484Sicilian_East
0.05487067Spanish_Mallorca
0.05536935Spanish_Baleares
0.05596625Spanish_Menorca
0.05687880Greek_Crete
0.05718283Swiss_French
0.05721339Spanish_Eivissa
0.05743441Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.05793624Moldovan
0.05797167Italian_Calabria
0.05847683Ashkenazi_Russia
0.05904414Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.06032497Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06044947Spanish_Girona
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The irony is that this dude plots closer to Greeks than Albanians, and still denies ancient Albanians were genetically close to mainland Greeks. :LOL::LOL::LOL:
 
Hawk said:
You are the first Albanian i am seeing who don't score Tepecik_Ciftlik_N at all, instead you score Levant_PPNB. Interesting.

Here is mine.



Target: Hawk_scaled
Distance: 2.7935% / 0.02793452
49.2TUR_Barcin_N
38.0Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
11.8TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.0WHG
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Interesting. Also it seems TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N is some Greco-Anatolian Neolithic connection spanning many samples from the area. While PPNB really only has affinity with itself.

Distance to:Levant_PPNB
0.03117178Levant_PPNB_contam
0.03246858Levant_PPNC
0.04203315Levant_ISR_C
0.07567188EGY_Late_Period
0.08218601Levant_JOR_EBA
0.08393584Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.08454190TUR_Tell_Kurdu_EC
0.08863901Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.09012588England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.09302890EGY_Hellenistic_contam
0.10161358Levant_Baqah_BA
0.10174254Levant_Beirut_IAII
0.10190756TUR_Tell_Kurdu_MC
0.10248708Levant_Yehud_IBA
0.10273071TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.10360782Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.10370652Levant_Hazor_MLBA
0.10397334Levant_Shadud_MLBA
0.10528008Levant_Sidon_MBA
0.10695889Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
0.10851010TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
0.10938012Levant_Natufian
0.10990427Levant_Beirut_IAIII
0.11053687Levant_Abel_IA
0.11505775Levant_Natufian_contam

Not sure what to make of it. Either I had some very early Jewish ancestors, but that would not explain the high 12% component given autosomal dilution, otherwise if it was withing the last 4-5 generations certainly I would have autosomal Shepardic or Ashkenazi matches. But at the same time 12% is too much to be a relic of the calculator. My only other guess is overfitted model, which is the likeliest. But given how much further north I plot autosomaly, it is quite interesting that I would need 12% PPNB to get an overfit model.

Here is my coordinates, if you wanna investigate.

A0_scaled,0.118376,0.135065,0.023381,-0.01615,0.032314,-0.011992,0,0.000231,0.00225,0.012757,0.001461,0.001049,-0.004311,0.003578,-0.016558,0.010077,0.022035,-0.004561,0.002514,-0.00025,-0.002371,0.002226,0.008627,0.002289,-0.000838
 
The PPNB is clearly an overshift. If you remove it, the distance of the result barely moves an inch.

Target: A0_scaled
Distance: 2.6228% / 0.02622794
56.4 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
33.0 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 Baltics_Narva_Hunter-Gatherer_Baltic_LTU_Narva
2.8 Levant_Natufian_Hunter-Gatherer_Levant_Natufian
1.0 Tibetan_Plateau_Late_Neolithic_NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.8 Caucasus_Hunter-Gatherer_GEO_CHG
0.8 South_China_Neolithic_Farmer_CHN_Liangdao2_N


Target: A0_scaled
Distance: 2.5509% / 0.02550857
52.0 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
33.4 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.8 Levant_Neolithic_Farmer_Levant_PPNB
5.4 Baltics_Narva_Hunter-Gatherer_Baltic_LTU_Narva
0.8 South_China_Neolithic_Farmer_CHN_Liangdao2_N
0.8 Tibetan_Plateau_Late_Neolithic_NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.6 Caucasus_Hunter-Gatherer_GEO_CHG
0.2 Australian_Aborigine_AUS_Willandra_Lakes_4000BP

Target: A0_scaled
Distance: 1.8703% / 0.01870285
59.0 Early_European_Farmer
32.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
5.6 Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer
1.8 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic
1.6 Levant_Natufian
 
lockdownboredom said:
The PPNB is clearly an overshift. If you remove it, the distance of the result barely moves an inch.

Target: A0_scaled
Distance: 2.6228% / 0.02622794
56.4 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
33.0 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
5.2 Baltics_Narva_Hunter-Gatherer_Baltic_LTU_Narva
2.8 Levant_Natufian_Hunter-Gatherer_Levant_Natufian
1.0 Tibetan_Plateau_Late_Neolithic_NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.8 Caucasus_Hunter-Gatherer_GEO_CHG
0.8 South_China_Neolithic_Farmer_CHN_Liangdao2_N


Target: A0_scaled
Distance: 2.5509% / 0.02550857
52.0 Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
33.4 Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.8 Levant_Neolithic_Farmer_Levant_PPNB
5.4 Baltics_Narva_Hunter-Gatherer_Baltic_LTU_Narva
0.8 South_China_Neolithic_Farmer_CHN_Liangdao2_N
0.8 Tibetan_Plateau_Late_Neolithic_NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP
0.6 Caucasus_Hunter-Gatherer_GEO_CHG
0.2 Australian_Aborigine_AUS_Willandra_Lakes_4000BP

Target: A0_scaled
Distance: 1.8703% / 0.01870285
59.0 Early_European_Farmer
32.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
5.6 Scandinavian_Hunter-Gatherer
1.8 Northeastern_Asia_Neolithic
1.6 Levant_Natufian
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Thanks. Yes, I suspected as much.

Nice to see your models also similarly reproduce some of my past research. As you can see South China Neolithic Farmer / Tibetan Plateau and Australian Aborigines on one hand and Scandinavian / Baltic HG on the other hand. The reason they pop up I think is the models/current sample database lacking the appropriate component to explain the 1.8% (North)East Asian like component, and overcompensating by overfitting with whatever it can. I might never know if my guess of some ~10kyo Siberian HG is correct, but that seems the only common denominator. If one keeps playing with the coordinates, you can get hermetic South American Natives + Australian Natives (or Papuans) to explain it away, personally had a lot of fun researching the genetic diversity and historical hypotheses for isolated tribes (North/South America/Austronesia), quite the rabbit hole.
 
Archetype0ne said:
Interesting. Also it seems TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N is some Greco-Anatolian Neolithic connection spanning many samples from the area. While PPNB really only has affinity with itself.

Distance to:Levant_PPNB
0.03117178Levant_PPNB_contam
0.03246858Levant_PPNC
0.04203315Levant_ISR_C
0.07567188EGY_Late_Period
0.08218601Levant_JOR_EBA
0.08393584Levant_Megiddo_IBA
0.08454190TUR_Tell_Kurdu_EC
0.08863901Levant_Beirut_IAIII_Egyptian
0.09012588England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o
0.09302890EGY_Hellenistic_contam
0.10161358Levant_Baqah_BA
0.10174254Levant_Beirut_IAII
0.10190756TUR_Tell_Kurdu_MC
0.10248708Levant_Yehud_IBA
0.10273071TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.10360782Levant_Ashkelon_IA2
0.10370652Levant_Hazor_MLBA
0.10397334Levant_Shadud_MLBA
0.10528008Levant_Sidon_MBA
0.10695889Levant_Megiddo_MLBA
0.10851010TUR_Catalhoyuk_N_Ceramic
0.10938012Levant_Natufian
0.10990427Levant_Beirut_IAIII
0.11053687Levant_Abel_IA
0.11505775Levant_Natufian_contam

Not sure what to make of it. Either I had some very early Jewish ancestors, but that would not explain the high 12% component given autosomal dilution, otherwise if it was withing the last 4-5 generations certainly I would have autosomal Shepardic or Ashkenazi matches. But at the same time 12% is too much to be a relic of the calculator. My only other guess is overfitted model, which is the likeliest. But given how much further north I plot autosomaly, it is quite interesting that I would need 12% PPNB to get an overfit model.

Here is my coordinates, if you wanna investigate.

A0_scaled,0.118376,0.135065,0.023381,-0.01615,0.032314,-0.011992,0,0.000231,0.00225,0.012757,0.001461,0.001049,-0.004311,0.003578,-0.016558,0.010077,0.022035,-0.004561,0.002514,-0.00025,-0.002371,0.002226,0.008627,0.002289,-0.000838
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If i recall Tepecif_Ciftlik is EEF with some CHG/Iranian farmer/Levantine affinities, so more eastern Anatolian EEF let's say.

But lockdownboredom actually ran with the true source components of Davidski, since this ready made calculator didn't include Baltic_Larva and CHG.
 
Here i found Onur Dincer's calculator.

PHP: 
Baltics_Narva_Hunter-Gatherer_Baltic_LTU_Narva,0.1320347,0.1106928,0.1803263,0.1842187,0.1199712,0.0524315,0.0108103,0.0286143,0.0592778,-0.019074,-0.0055213,-0.0195077,0.0273783,0.0045643,0.0325728,0.0470032,0.0035857,0.0052997,-0.0064943,0.0436457,0.0663412,0.0077283,-0.0292508,-0.1139918,0.0110567Caucasus_Hunter-Gatherer_GEO_CHG,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036Iran_Neolithic_Farmer_IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254Levant_Natufian_Hunter-Gatherer_Levant_Natufian,0.01935,0.135065,-0.039221,-0.135984,0.026774,-0.076137,-0.019036,-0.024691,0.100626,-0.008018,0.02858,-0.019633,0.067343,0.001651,0.022801,0.02612,-0.0103,0.006714,-0.018101,0.041395,-0.004118,-0.003215,-0.014297,-0.011206,0.011975Levant_Neolithic_Farmer_Levant_PPNB,0.0725625,0.1650235,-0.0309238,-0.1380835,0.0323138,-0.062541,-0.012103,-0.0141338,0.0735775,0.0367207,0.0194055,-0.0170098,0.036459,-0.000241,-0.021342,0.0067288,0.0089638,-0.0013935,-0.0054052,0.0192277,-0.0037435,0.007852,-0.0014175,-0.0062658,-0.0047002Morocco_Early_Neolithic_Farmer_MAR_EN,-0.1735805,0.0919055,-0.0258325,-0.083657,0.0283125,-0.0596825,-0.079316,0.021461,0.1500185,0.0043735,0.0222475,-0.0264515,0.075148,-0.0461725,0.069353,-0.03381,0.0171455,-0.05549,-0.1487635,0.0340785,-0.038245,-0.118212,0.0826995,-0.009941,0.021615Amur_Basin_Hunter-Gatherer_RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0162197,-0.4440402,0.0722185,-0.0511148,-0.0373912,-0.0395328,0.0034075,0.0084802,0.0064935,0.019408,-0.048595,-0.004833,-0.0030848,0.0086702,-0.0096025,-0.0133915,-0.0007825,0.0089,0.0174408,0.0100362,0.008828,-0.027729,-0.0174702,-0.00244,-0.0145795West_Siberia_Hunter-Gatherer_RUS_Tyumen_HG,0.103579,-0.059916,0.100314,0.202199,-0.091094,0.044901,-0.048882,-0.054921,-0.035178,-0.090571,0.028093,-0.011989,0.02661,-0.077619,0.028637,0.01485,-0.015646,-0.004814,-0.004399,0.001376,-0.025705,0.011747,0.02465,0.00976,-0.013053Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437West_Europe_Hunter-Gatherer_WHG,0.1246365,0.116278,0.184789,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara,0.1255849,0.089028,0.0426986,0.1153479,-0.0287232,0.0450564,0.0036033,-0.0025642,-0.0559032,-0.0728943,0.0018222,3.32e-05,-0.0026924,-0.0233041,0.0366141,0.0157633,-0.0012316,-0.0017879,-0.0038408,0.0137704,-0.0031749,0.0007557,0.0110649,0.0186102,-0.004537Siberia_Uralic-like_Hunter-Gatherer_RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA,0.034147,-0.421445,0.150471,-0.002907,-0.14495,-0.082273,0.019741,0.035998,0.02577,0.000364,0.083792,-3e-04,0.015758,-0.048994,-0.04343,-0.029833,0.000652,0.005574,0.004902,-0.012381,0.026453,0.003462,0.001725,0.00723,0.012813East_Africa_Hunter_Gatherer_ETH_4500BP,-0.511066,0.043668,0.000754,0.000969,-0.00277,-0.011435,0.050997,-0.045229,0.089172,-0.087838,-0.012991,-0.002997,-0.031219,0.000688,0.02158,-0.029965,0.027772,0.039273,0.00176,-0.009004,0.000374,0.006183,-0.003451,-0.00241,-0.000838South_Africa_Hunter-Gatherer_ZAF_2100BP,-0.639686,0.058901,0.025644,0.041344,-0.00277,-0.002789,0.267912,-0.20653,0.011658,0.016766,0.002761,-0.06744,-0.01888,0.005092,0.026058,-0.013392,0.031944,0.289737,-0.092137,0.003752,-0.035188,-0.000495,0.002835,-0.000843,-0.00934Southeast_Asia_Hoabinhian_Hunter-Gatherer_LAO_Hoabinhian,-0.025041,-0.224432,-0.11917,0.087856,0.022466,-0.001952,-0.003055,0.01223,0.060539,0.018406,0.012829,0.001199,-0.000446,0.006055,-0.007872,-0.006364,-0.00352,-0.00076,-0.005531,0.023386,0.006988,0.013107,-0.017131,-0.001325,0.003712North_China_Neolithic_Farmer_CHN_Boshan_N,0.01935,-0.444802,0.032432,-0.062339,0.012618,0.002789,0.009635,0.003,-0.007772,0.008201,-0.074861,-0.009891,0.009812,-0.008533,-0.010315,-0.005701,-0.004042,0.003801,-0.000377,-0.002126,0.013726,0.003215,0.005793,-0.005543,-0.005628South_China_Neolithic_Farmer_CHN_Liangdao2_N,0.006829,-0.407227,-0.052043,-0.040052,0.112944,0.045459,0.00141,-0.004384,-0.005931,-0.008565,0.034589,0.003747,-0.010406,0.001927,0.007736,0.012066,0.00352,0.004814,0.005028,-0.00988,0.007237,-0.011005,0.013188,-0.01687,-0.02874Japan_Jomon_Hunter-Gatherer_JPN_Jomon,0.011003,-0.3440953,-0.0537398,0.0124893,0.038161,0.0139448,-0.0020758,-0.0015383,0.024577,0.0205622,-0.049718,-0.0068938,0.0096878,-0.0069958,-0.023819,-0.0154467,0.006454,0.0099242,0.0024722,-0.0060655,0.0639705,-0.0456895,0.0091615,0.0112062,-0.0994323Australian_Aborigine_AUS_Willandra_Lakes_4000BP,-0.042115,-0.224432,-0.205154,0.215442,0.145566,-0.322398,-0.007285,0.014538,-0.000818,0.003098,-0.004872,-0.002248,0.004311,-0.001239,-0.008415,-0.000796,0.004694,-0.001774,-0.01169,-0.003377,0.003369,-0.006801,-0.000863,-0.001928,-0.00946Indus__Valley_Civilization_IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2:I8728,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305West_Africa_Hunter-Gatherer_CMR_Shum_Laka_3000BP,-0.6129375,0.0528075,0.013765,0.0272935,0.000769,-0.001813,0.1482915,-0.1137645,0.00542,0.004374,-0.001056,-0.0400145,-0.025272,0.0019955,0.008279,-0.0068285,0.005802,0.016153,-0.0067245,0.0010005,-0.001934,-0.0020405,-0.00456,0.000482,-0.006586Tibetan_Plateau_Late_Neolithic_NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP,0.012521,-0.410274,-0.011691,-0.031331,0.017542,0.011435,0.00658,0.011999,0.010022,0.021139,-0.081194,-0.006444,0.010109,-0.004679,-0.011401,0,0.011213,-0.001267,-0.009302,0.009379,0.004991,0.029306,0.004314,0.003615,0.031734Papuan-Melanesian_VUT_2300BP_all,-0.039838,-0.227479,-0.231552,0.254202,0.176648,-0.406901,0.00188,0.003,-0.025975,-0.010752,-0.00065,0.004646,0.000297,-0.001651,-0.001493,-0.002519,-0.005867,-0.007981,-0.002011,0.003877,0.008235,-0.004946,-0.003081,-0.001084,-0.010897Amerindian_BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413Nilotic_Pastoralist_KEN_Kakapel_900BP,-0.513342,0.05687,-0.010936,-0.00969,-0.007386,-0.013666,-0.00658,0.014769,0.075674,-0.113898,-0.032478,0.028924,-0.049207,-0.010046,0.015065,-0.020419,0.018645,-0.000507,0.022877,-0.027138,-0.002496,0.007172,-0.027238,-0.000241,0.004071West_Africa-Bantu_Farmer_COG_Kindoki_230BP,-0.6231815,0.058393,0.019422,0.018088,0.0007695,0.0133865,-0.007168,0.0170765,-0.035587,0.017495,0.0048715,-0.002248,-0.0031215,-0.0052985,-0.0021715,0.0088835,-0.0058675,-0.004941,-0.0042735,0.0078785,0.0061765,-0.0012985,0.002465,-0.0030125,0.0029935Holocene_Beringian_RUS_Old_Bering_Ekven,0.0473788,-0.3565142,0.1162946,0.0476627,-0.1192914,-0.0389401,-0.1203988,-0.1403451,0.0007669,-0.0159799,0.0248759,-0.0064443,0.0098394,-0.0182608,-0.0336502,-0.0148834,-0.0021595,0.0124076,0.0327128,0.0197752,0.0262272,-0.0441054,0.0074489,0.0281062,0.0383199Southeast_Asia_Neolithic_Farmer_VNM_N,0,-0.386917,-0.064865,-0.031008,0.134333,0.06038,0.0036425,-0.010961,-0.0138055,-0.014579,0.0695835,-0.001499,-0.002007,0.001376,0.0169655,-0.0031155,-0.0011085,0.00076,-0.0020115,0.01532,-0.0034935,0.0084085,0.0030195,-0.0063865,0.034009


Target: A0_scaled
Distance: 2.5559% / 0.02555864
52.0Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
33.4Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.0Levant_Neolithic_Farmer_Levant_PPNB
5.4Baltics_Narva_Hunter-Gatherer_Baltic_LTU_Narva
1.6South_China_Neolithic_Farmer_CHN_Liangdao2_N
0.6Caucasus_Hunter-Gatherer_GEO_CHG

Mine for comparison


Target: Hawk_scaled
Distance: 2.8012% / 0.02801223
58.8Anatolia_Neolithic_Farmer_TUR_Barcin_N
37.4Pontic_Steppe_Yamnaya_Pastoralist_Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.8Baltics_Narva_Hunter-Gatherer_Baltic_LTU_Narva
1.0Caucasus_Hunter-Gatherer_GEO_CHG
1.0Levant_Neolithic_Farmer_Levant_PPNB


I also put the coordinates in this calculator i created:

https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threa...an-case/page13?p=638197&viewfull=1#post638197

But take it with a grain of salt, i might have done it wrong.


Target: A0_scaled
Distance: 2.9310% / 0.02931021
71.2Aegean_Neolithic
19.8Baltic
7.2Yamnaya
1.8Corded_Ware_Horizont



Target: A0_scaled
Distance: 2.9481% / 0.02948058 | ADC: 0.25x RC
70.0Aegean_Neolithic
19.0Baltic
11.0Corded_Ware_Horizont



Target: A0_scaled
Distance: 3.7916% / 0.03791592 | ADC: 0.5x RC
35.8Aegean_Neolithic
29.8Yamnaya
21.6Bell_Beaker
12.8East_European_Neolithic

This is mine in comparison


Target: Hawk_scaled
Distance: 2.5836% / 0.02583600
28.6Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
27.6Corded_Ware_Horizont
24.8Aegean_Neolithic
9.6Yamnaya
8.2West_Asian
1.2Baltic


Target: Hawk_scaled
Distance: 2.6385% / 0.02638452 | ADC: 0.25x RC
38.8Aegean_Neolithic
38.6Corded_Ware_Horizont
18.8Pannonian_Carpathian_Neolithic
3.8Yamnaya


Target: Hawk_scaled
Distance: 3.1190% / 0.03119026 | ADC: 0.5x RC
40.6Aegean_Neolithic
34.4Yamnaya
18.2Bell_Beaker
6.8East_European_Neolithic
 
Turkey Boncuklu (10000 and 8500 BC) and Tepecik Ciftlik (7500 BC) are the "first" farmers and predate Barcin (6500 BC). The reason they have Iranian Farmer ancestry is because it was the latter that taught them how to farm, that's how they got their J haplogroups also (oldest Js originate in Iran, see Lazaridis). The Minoans and the Myceneans carrying Js strengthen the Eastern model hypothesis for the source of their language, and confirm the linguists' hypothesis of a Greco-Armenian-Iranian original branch. This scenario (Eastern model hypothesis) is currently the opinion of both Reich Labs/Lazaridis and Planck. The latest Patterson paper mentions this admixture event the Anatolians got from Iranian Farmers.
 
Bekas said:
Turkey Boncuklu (10000 and 8500 BC) and Tepecik Ciftlik (7500 BC) are the "first" farmers and predate Barcin (6500 BC). The reason they have Iranian Farmer ancestry is because it was the latter that taught them how to farm, that's how they got their J haplogroups also (oldest Js originate in Iran, see Lazaridis). The Minoans and the Myceneans carrying Js strengthen the Eastern model hypothesis for the source of their language, and confirm the linguists' hypothesis of a Greco-Armenian-Iranian original branch. This scenario (Eastern model hypothesis) is currently the opinion of both Reich Labs/Lazaridis and Planck. The latest Patterson paper mentions this admixture event the Anatolians got from Iranian Farmers.
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That's certainly not true, farming didn't came from the East via Zagros/Iranian farmers who are better known for the domestication of goat but rather came as an idea from the South Natufians/PPNB.
 
Hawk said:
That's certainly not true, farming didn't came from the East via Zagros/Iranian farmers who are better known for the domestication of goat but rather came as an idea from the South Natufians/PPNB.
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I don't think he said that. He just meant before the push west, millennia ago pre pre-Proto-IE J was around that area. I am not sure though whether J was part of the farming stock. IIRC Minoans were G2a which would have been the farmer stock. Can't recall if there was J2a among them. But certainly Myceneans were a mix of G2a and J2a. J2a I suspect being the Mycenean marker, likely of IE herder stock. I could be wrong have not researched this in a long while.
 
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