Jovialis
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This is the speculation I perhaps put the most stock into.
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I fully agree. I'm on the exact same page with you here.
This is the speculation I perhaps put the most stock into.
I'm amazed. So this ma you provided is false?The Map of Italy is in error, the celts never reached the sea ( and still did not reach it even when the Romans built Aquilenia in Friuli ) veneti lands bordered western modern slovenia and where neighbours to the illyrinas to their east and to their south
why is the Veneti and Apuli in one "union" ?
Below is a later map, but it shows 2 x Venetic tribes the Catari and the Catuli and also the illyrian tribe Subocrini
The Carni was a mixed celtic -illyrian tribe and they where the closest to the adriatic sea
The Gallic Senones did reach the Adriatic coast but were displaced by the Roman colony of Sena Gallica on the coast.I'm amazed. So this ma you provided is false?
Because it shows Lingones and Senones near the sea, and they were seen at them as Celts tribes (even if we now these maps colour entire areas when in fact the occupation by some newcomers were spotty and unstable.
Interesting...
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I was referring to the celts out of Germany ( halstatt celts )
the cenomani and senones are from Gallic France and are not Halstatt celts
Is BA perhaps an acronym for a place name rather than a time period?
I don't know who is doing the labeling over at Harvard, but apparently "France_BA_GalloRoman" makes for a permissible fit with Minoan, with Z scores above 2.00. However... there weren't any "Romans" in the Bronze Age.
Sample ID: I16184
My personal take is still that Vatya is the most likely Proto-italic origin based off material culture - or at minimum the largest contributor to what became the Proto-Italic profile. Have you tried a run using any of those samples or perhaps an average? Czech_EBA seems a bit too far northerly from my perspective. I'd also seriously be looking at close contacts with proto-illyric to Torzio's credit. These cultures all seemed to share a common genetic profile and distributed themselves between the northern balkans, po valley and the carpathian basin.Not sure, but what about this model?
Maybe Czech_EBA_Unetice could be a proxy for Proto-Italic-Celtic?
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