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@Mad Pierrot: enjoying the meta-assessment :0) I had not thought of this in these terms. I think I agree with you that people generally want to be functional within society. I don't, however, agree with your apparent optimism regarding how easy it must be to "up and leave" the ghetto. No, I'm...

@Maciamo... you are failing to engage any of my points at any depth. You obviously didn't experience many of the pressures that low income imigrant refugees are under while they go through the process of learning a second language. You can argue all you want that none of the points I brought...

:0) Please check all that applied in your L2 experiences: - Broken home - Neighborhood violence - Racism and discrimination in the workplace - Racism and discrimination at school - No appropriate tools for measuring L1 at school - No access to L2 at home - Iliteracy in L1 - Dyslexia - No...

@Maciamo: ... you are, at most, half right (the way I see it). But, I'd like to know if you've actually done the research on this one. I work in the field, this is what my research tells me: What does this mean? It means that similar word orders (formal elements of language) in Spanish don't...

Both of you are coming close (correct me if I'm wrong) to defending the alleged actions of the US ARMY's disproportionate targeting of Latinos and other minorities on the basis that these people should have made a better effort to learn English? That's interesting... I was under the impression...

I won't touch that one here... I think it deserves a different thread... but if you're open to talking about it I am game :0)

Firstly, CC1 opened the door to discussing why they were there, not I. And he did it in a message intended to justify his actions. If you are going to claim that how people got into the ARMY has no baring on why they want to get out, go back and find out what it means for his argument before...

You're right, the ARMY, per se, does not force anyone to do anything. But circumstances do. I think you may be downplaying a vital element in this discussion: Saying that your treatment of people who claimed to be gay is justified because all the enlistees were there of their own free will...

interesting presupposition you have there Mac. :0)

That's silly. Everyone else in the audience get's to see Bush's face. Why should his odd/incompetent looks be accessible to the priveleged few who sit in on the debate? They showed just as many splits of Kerry, who took notes and looked to be listening carefully while considering his responses...

Yes, I just got my hands on the debate here in Japan last night. I was impressed with Kerry's performance. You have a good point about Kerry's response to Bush's accusations of flip-flopping. I think he took care of this best in his bit about confidence. You can be confident, but that doesn't...

@Legato: If you are interested in the history of mental illness (in the West, from the middle ages up to Freud), in terms of the greater social factors that influence how the needs of the mentally ill are adressed, I would recomend Michel Foucault's "Madness and Civilization" (available, and...

This discussion, as well as another thread on "what if you were drafted", reminded me of this piece. It's about 125 years old, but it shocks me how pertinent it is to todays political climate. Some of you might enjoy it (and yes, I answer the thread question below): "...the so-called armed...

So, do clone-towns mean we should be worrying about clone people? :? and... Sorry, I just cannot let this one slide "...maybe better than anywhere else?"--blasphemy! There are places in Seattle where you will find five Starbuck's cafes on the same two block radius--and more often than not...

"There must be mere appearance, there must be some deception which prevents us from perceiving that which has being: where is the deceiver?" "We have found him," they cry ecstatically; "it is the senses! These senses, which are so immoral in other ways too, deceive us concerning the true world...

I whole heartedly agree with you... but I guess I was trying to find a midway between 1 offense and you're off the road forever, and three strikes you're out. There is part of me, however, that wants to say even the best of us make mistakes, and some people really are worthy of a second chance...

Yeah, the CDC number is for all deaths related to firearms, legal or otherwise. Ok ok... I think I follow you here: it is illegal use of guns that accounts for most deaths. Legal owners are not the trouble-makers (for the most part). Wouldn't it go the same for alcohol: Alcohol doesn't kill...

@Duo & Golgo 13...I think you are both right in your assertions. @All.. Be nice :blush: , I am enjoying this thread.

Wow... the affair even gets it's own encyclopedia entry... not to mention all the made for TV garbage... But, the kid is what?--20 now? With any rape victim I would expect there to be some long lasting (and very serious) effects... regardless of whether he consented, he was 13 at the...

*hands brooker the "name that rapist" award for his excellent knowledge current events* ... ouch... that sounds worse than I mean for it too (no one take offense, plz). But yeah... re: above... perhaps that is why I brought it up. The Latourneau case was one that made many of us reconsider our...