OMG Iapetoc !
How can you say something completely the opposite of the true, what is this poor propaganda ?! I think here are people who know even a little bit history of that region, and how can they can tolerate someone to speak in this way !
Fustanella is greek ?! when all the world knows that is an albanian traditional costume of the all Albanians, latter was in use only by Tosk Albanians(until today).
Search about Fustanella -
http://www.google.com/#q=the Albani...6&ved=0CAsQ_AUoBQ&prmdo=1&fp=d46d7fcb6d497136 ...{"fustan"-dress in albanian (and in no other language); "funt/d"-the lower part of the dress; "an"-side (or the lower side of the dress - Fustanella), also fút (whith accent at "u"), is the name of that type of clothing, which we put forward at the bottom of the body, when we have to work something.... like freemasons today
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Suliotes are greek ?!
"Both the Suliotes and Hydriotes were Albanians in blood, language, and customs. They were "Greeks" only in the sense that the Vlachs are "Greeks" — they belonged to the Orthodox Church.
The heroism and tenacity which both displayed as their normal opposition to the Turks deepened under Greek influence into a struggle for political liberty, have cast a lustre and a glory upon the whole war which ought by every law of historical justice to modify the judgment which civilisation has passed upon the Albanians. As the Christian Albanians have worked for the greater glory of the Hellenic idea, so the Mohamedan Albanians have contributed to such sympathy as the Turks can still command in the West."
- Henry Noel Brailsford - Macedonia: Its Races and Their Future
Search about suliots: http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&prmdo=1&tbs=bks:1&q=suliots+albanian&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&psj=1&prmdo=1&fp=82a567adc72d263b
Suli (Documentary, from todays greek themself):
http://www.gazotube.com/nfjO9C0M9Hw.html
More about Suliotes: http://www.albpelasgian.com/uncategorized/suliots-and-their-epitome-sate-of-albania.html
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Even Kastrioti is greek ?! - OMG this is... no comment!
Search about Castrioti: http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&prmdo=1&tbs=bks:1&q=Castrioti&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&psj=1&prmdo=1&fp=82a567adc72d263b
{You have to make him greek, because you know that he was King od Epirus and Macedonia, like albanian(Illyro-Thracian) states, and disorientate your propaganda about Epir and Macedonia} ...The three Shkypetar States, Illyria, Epirus and Macedonia, rose against Rome…-“Albania, the foundling state of Europe”, Wadham Peacock 1914)
http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bk...e”,+Wadham+Peacock+1914)+++&btnG=Search+Books
...it appears that you attempt to protect the identity of controversy todays Greek, by attacking Albanian identity, as the oldest in the Balkans- " you know from where can come the answers and "attack is the best protection"!
With this approach, you explains very clearly how it is configured identity of the Greeks of today, given the lack of Albanian institutions to protect from appropriations.
In this way you todays greeks formed this new greek identity (Now for you every albanian is greek! albanian language is greek! albanian culture is greek!... than Arumuns or Vlach (Thracian descent, and as we know, Illyrians and Thracians had much affinity, that's why in albanian the word "Vlah" is "Brother"), a part of south slavs, orthodox mongols, egyptians, etiopians, gypsies... all are greeks ! ...but the antique glory, identity and pelasgic autochthony, you know that you can find only through albanians as the oldest in Balkans:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=223998&l=8c1a610d6b&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=224000&l=9a17dc3824&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=198452&l=0de20886eb&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=224057&l=3e17c012b5&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=224002&l=808b8b4bb5&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=224058&l=2d43464068&id=100001133356751
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- It appears that with the same approach you formed the new greek nation. Here's the constitution of 1821 in Greece
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/168967_1852707323909_1427574150_2122262_1227707_n.jpg
Here is translated in english:
http://i55.tinypic.com/29qjyuu.jpg
...because there is clearly seen in what basis the Greek state was formed, thus clearly stating that the Greeks had no need to talk Greek, or to have Greek blood, enough was the religion (ie Orthodox) and this policy made possible the absorption (or assimilation) of many other ethnicities.(I want your respond for this above too)
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Haha
even Arvanites are not Albanian ?!
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&...=&aql=f&oq=&psj=1&prmdo=1&fp=82a567adc72d263b
Alban(ians) were call them self Arban (ians); Or Arvan in Greece; Arbresh in Italy; Arnaut in Turkye... but in all times they call them self Shqiptar (Skipetar), that means Shqip (Eagle) Shqiptar="Sons of the eagle"... ancient writers calls them Pelasgians... Romans calls them Illyrian.
I'm albanian and in my tradition are so many pelasgians, illyrians, thracians... tradition, which greeks dont have, my language is "a bridge" between the Greek and Latin language and and is considered the oldest of these (just like was considered pelasgian):
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247827&l=121558727c&id=100001133356751
This topic is about something more concrete but if you want to discuss about deeper things like the identity of albanians and new greeks, I can give you thousends of international scientific works, because albanians (whith surviving history) don't have their institutions for a long time, to protect their culture and identity from thievs like you. Anyway, we have strong roots that enabled us the existence until today.
Ok, let's start whith lesson 1:
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- A school history of the great war by Albert E. McKinley - p.33
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=223999&l=089c04944d&id=100001133356751
- Discourses of Collective Identity in Central and Southeast Europe 1770–1945
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=250181&l=2bb88f57fb&id=100001133356751
The Albanians: an ethnic history from prehistoric times to the present
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=211176&l=e6d3869968&id=100001133356751
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Encyclopedia Britannica
- http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187419&l=d42c50fe96&id=100001133356751
- http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=187139&l=067cf7e354&id=100001133356751
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III
Encyclopedia of the Muslim World
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=247814&l=d01242c974&id=100001133356751
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If you proceed whith your approach, than I'll have to prove you whith thousends international references from scientific studies, that talk deeper about albanians/pelasgians as pre=greek population and thousends of so call "pre-greek" words (or pelasgian words) that are translated in greek today, but are the same even today in albanian.
For Example:
pre greek(pelasgian)----greek<>albanian-----albanian (or pelasgian)
αμας amas------------imitera=nena------------ama, nena, ema...
αταρ-atar--------------tote-ateher--------------atar, ateher...
αυς-ais-----------------aftos=ai----------------ai, aj...
αναιρον-aneron--------oniro=enderr----------aneron, enderron...
αφαρ-afar--------------sti stigmi=ne cast -------afar, afer...
βασαι-vishe------------iselthise=vije-------------vishe, vijshe...
βαν--van--------------porevude-shkojn-----------van, vajten...
βαριον-barion--------provaton=deleve-----------barion, bariu...
βασκ-bask----------paralila porevute=ecin paralel--bask, bashk...
βη-vi----------------prevome=eci,vij-shkoj-----------------vi, vij...
βραχαι-vrahe------psofise=ngordhi------------vra, vrahe...
βριτος-britos-------etos=viti--Frank Bardhi=britmi pare=shtatori=fillimi i vitit.
βυσαι-vishe----------kripse-fshihe, mbuloje----veshje, vishe...
γαναι-gjane--------periptizi=afersisht--------gjane, ngjane...
γουνον-gjunon------gonatizi-gjunjezon-----gjunon, gjunon (geg)...
γραος-graos---------gjini-gra, grua---------graos, gra
διζα-dhiza-----------ekgs=dhia---------------dhiza, dhia
εικειν-ikin---------ipohorun=terhiqen--------ikin, iki...
εντυε-endie-------parasqevazi=endi,endje---endie...
ερδαι-erdhe-------elthe=erdhe--------------erdhe...
ετας-etas-----------patir=babai-------------etas, eti...
εβροεντα-evroenda--skotini=e errta----e vroenda, e vrejtura...
ευροπη-evropi-------skotini,qe hora tis dhisis=e errta edhe vendi i perendimit----------------------------------------evro- evront e erret...
ζει-zi------------------flegji-pervelon--------------zien, zi...
Ζωτεαττας-Zoteatas--Apolloni=Perendia---Zoteatas=Ati Zoti...
κιελλι-qielli--------------uranos=qielli-----------qielli, qielli...
κορτειν-kortin----------kurion=korrin-----------kortin, korrin...
κρειον-krion-------------vasilias=mbreti-----Krieon, Kryeja...
κρουναι-krune----------pigji=burim----------krune, krun-kroj...
μαλα-mala-----------ori=male---------------mala, male...
μενειν-menin-------orgjin-zemerimin-----menin, meni, merin... (This is the first word of Iliades)
πλαγαν-plagan-----------pligji=plage-----------plagan, plaga...
πραιναι=prene----------prionizi=sharron--------prene, pren...
etc, etc...
Or:
Illyrian..............................Albanian.....................English:
atsar................................ acar .............................frost
ask.................................. ashkë ............................
kapa................................. kapa ............................catch
kekja................................ keqja ............................badly
nasor............................ nesër(nesra) .....................tomorow
apa................................... pa ..............................whithout
awalaka............................ flaka ..............................flame
laja.................................. lehje ...............................yelp
wrask......................... vras(rrah,lendoj) .................injure(beat)
stana.............................. shtaza .............................brute
matja.......................... matja,mas,mat .....................measure
dela................................. djal .................................boy
balta................................ balta ...............................mud
berja.............................. berja,bije ............................fall
de.................................... dje .............................yesterday
smerka............................ mjekra ............................beards
tsela............................... tsjella ............................brought
wet.................................. vjet ........................year(or last year)
dedr........................... djath(nga gjedh) ...................cheese
esmi................................ jemi ...............................we are
melita.............................. mjalt ...............................honey
amal............................amal,amël,ëmbël................... sweetly
tamal............................ tamël,qumsht ...................... milk
breda.............................. bredh ...............................loiter
perenda........................... brenda .............................inside
entenda........................... denda ...............................ply
ambiledza .......................e mblodha .......................I gathered
trempa .............................tremb .............................scare
deta............................... djathta ..............................right
mems .............................. mish .................................meat
ambi ................................ mbi .................................above
binda ...............................binda ..............................convince
bugt ................................butë ..................................soft
buzja ...............................buza ..................................lip
druw ...............................dru(druits) ..........................wood(tree)
kuri ................................. guri ................................... stone
mater ............................. motër .................................sister
skap ............................... shkop ..................................stick
stanj .............................. shtoj ...................................attach
lad................................... lodh ....................................tire
mats ................................mos ...................................don't
ngraj ..............................ngroht .................................warm
plat ..................................plot ..................................a lot
tsensmi ............................themi ...............................we say
blora............................ blert(blerim) .....................green(verdure)
njas ...............................ngjesh ..............................compress
dija ................................di(dija) ...........................I knew(knowledge)
dita ..................................dita ....................................day
nat ...................................natë .................................night
pija ..................................pi(pija) ...............................drink
trutja ................................trusja ..............................I press
ngruda ..............................ngrydha ............................I crowd
krupa .................................kripa .................................salt
buma .................................bima ................................plant
busht ................................bisht ..................................tail
nbunj ................................mbij ................................flourish
muja................................ miza ...............................fly(insect)
suj .................................shij(shoj) ..............................rain
lais ...................................lesh ...................................fur
waina ...............................vera .................................summer
deimen .............................dimen(dimer) ........................winter
ranja ...............................rronja(rroj) ........................lives(dwell)
tausnja ...........................thaja (thanja) .......................dry up
deur ..................................deri ....................................to
laus ..................................lasht ..................................old
laidna ...............................e lë ...................................leave
dora .................................dora ..................................hand
kranja...............................kyeja ..................................head
mosnj ...............................muaj .................................month
kousnja ............................quaja ................................I named
tsanja ..........................çaja(thyeja) ............................break
Prij.....................................prij ..................................guide,lead
pari...................................pari (i pari).......................... first, lead
para................................. para ................................... pre, proto, before
per.................................... për .................................... pro
puta............................... pyeta .................................I asked
grawa .............................. grua ...................................women
griwika ............................ gryka ..................................nozzle
mbiwela ............................mbylla ................................closed
leip ..................................lyp .......................................beg
krim ................................krimb ....................................worm
wrip ................................rryp .......................................belt
wara ...............................ura ......................................bridge
Veglia .............................Vegla ......................................Tool
rhinon .............................re (reja) ............................... clouds
sica .................................thika,spata ............................knife/sword
Didi .................................Dede ......................................Dupe
amic................................ mik ........................................friend
est ..................................është .......................................is
cael ..................................qiell ........................................sky
Havá .........................hava(qiell),parajsë................... heaven(+paradise)
creare .............................krijoj ..................................make, create
Vendum ..........................Vendi ....................................the place
Vician ..............................Vise ....................................locations
Malontum ..........................Mal,malet ............................Mountain
Dyrrach Dyrrë......................derë,dyer............................ seaport, door
Ora ...................................ora,koha .............................the hour, the time
fimia ...................................fëmija ..................................child
Dassi .............................. Dash ......................................Aries
Math .............................. Math(madh)............................ great
Hyll ....................................Hyll(yll,ill) ...............................star
barda ..................................bardha ................................white
Bardhyll ............................bardh+yll(us,star) ..............white star
Bardibal ...........................bardh+ball ........................white forehead
Dardhania........................... Dardh+an .............................fruit+side
Dalma ...............................Delmne ................................fold,cattle ( For example: the meaning of the name Dalmatia or Delmatia, which is of Albanian origin, is "land of shepherds" - delminium — pasture for sheep)
(...most of the words are before 1 century, before the Roman period)
Or:
Thracian <> Albanian:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=145992&l=b735ae73c7&id=100001133356751
Or:
Hittite <> Albanian:
http://eltonvarfishqip.blogspot.com/2010/07/ngjashmeria-e-gjuhes-hitite-me-ate.html
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Hitite: (hit) imme - (shq) nime (vërtetë); (hit) ash - (shq) ash (është); (hit) awi - (shq) avitu/avejtu (a vjen); (hit) wer - vejrm (virri, piskati)...
You don't know to speak albanian, but we should note that the Albanian literary language is +- 10% of the total wealth of language, dialects and subdialects. For example, Dr. Robert Else (albanolog), has recorded whith voice
137 dialects and subdialects of albanian language and they are just one piece from all parts and ways of speaking (It's enough to be cleaned from the atrocities and taken to study these words unexplored so far):
http://www.albanianlanguage.net/en/dialects/rec_map3.html
For example, I'm from Macedonia and only in my village (whith 600 houses) there are many differences in emphasis and in the selection of words from the albanian 'infinite' syntax... there are so many synonyms and various forms of articulation of words, that distinguishes the neighborhood from neighborhood... but the special thing is that we understand each other completly, but differ in addiction regions of the type of words that are decided to use. This part of the Albanians is very heterogeneous in dialect, from the consequences of restriction to the southeast Pelasgians, to this piece today where they remained crouched, are enrolled in language, as descendants of the ancient cultures that shaped southeast Pelasgians. Weaving in the language of the Albanians in Macedonia, its also enabled me to find words from the Thracian and Hitite (Hetite) langauges (some of them you can see above)...
- ...and who is the common denominator, of these languageges: Illyrian, Thracian, Hittit, Etruscan, old Greek... ?! - Of course, Pelasgian language.
- ...and why for albanian language, scientists can not decide finally from which of these above language, Albanian language is derived ?! (as we know albanian language contains words from all these aforementioned languages) - ... this "enigma" can be solved (by the way, read "Enigma" from Robert D'Angely) only when is connected directly the Pelasgian whith Albanian language.
So that's why many scholars, rightly, could not determine or Generalized Albanian alone or as part of a group of languages. Once some think that it's Centum, once as SATEM (in fact it serves as a link between these groups, it is a more proof that it stands on above these groups), somtimes of Illyrian origin, Thracian, Dacian, Etruscan, Celtic, Frigian, Hitite or sometimes as the oldest branch of the Indo-European, sometims pre-proto-Indo-European sometimes Anatolian, Paleo-Balkan language sometimes, etc.. Also, this approach are mixet more from albanian langauge "artifacts" that will be noted from Egypt, Middle East, Caucasus, Illyrian peninsula, Apenin ... all around the Mediterranean.
This confusing approach purified when proved the direct connection beetwen Pelasgian and todays Albanian language.
All living languages, especially their largest group, Indo-European ones, lead/guide/ determine the direction to the Albanian language, Albanian language leads to building codes, which (according to Egyptian albanolog Mathieu Aref) has no genesis connection with any other language (p.240-"Albania"). So we speak a language that is created without any previous model, born together with the development of mankind and is suprising the fact that "today's Albanian language has been preserved almost intact during more than 30 centuries (since beginning of the invasion of Indo-European) in the highlands of old Europe [science maintains that the natives living in the mountains (being retrieved from invasions), while in fields newcomers] and above all, those of the Dinaric Alps "(p.435 ibid) and thus attains to explain a large number of Etruscan words, Thracian, Greek, Latin, Basque, Armenian, Celtic, Romanian, etc.. "(ibid f.559).
Orelasgian inscriptions that can be read only by the Albanian language:
http://soul-of-the-pillar.blogspot.com/2010/11/pelasgians-and-etruscansgreek-alphabet.html
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66147&l=a2d07351ee&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66176&l=941d1cff0a&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=148823&l=72d720898d&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=148153&l=151ac01fc3&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=148814&l=1e89c95237&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=148835&l=f7d2429502&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66166&l=e8a35ea43f&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66167&l=e47d657233&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66179&l=dcc9749043&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66155&l=e023af7946&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66156&l=4ca67cc19f&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66180&l=6c34103025&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66174&l=54f292af81&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66172&l=a6abc2bd9d&id=100001133356751
Etc, etc...
Language scheme, from italian linguist and anthropologist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66233&l=7cb8960819&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=146066&l=a7c909f8b8&id=100001133356751
Pelasgian alphabet:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66315&l=f6d4521ff3&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=148670&l=f01e5fe94d&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66143&l=7b3d0c7a42&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66138&l=a86eb322d8&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66140&l=3711081fd8&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66173&l=c44dbf0be2&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=298333&l=b113ea1e72&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66141&l=82eb0edf79&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=298334&l=9d1c6972e0&id=100001133356751
Etruscan - Albanian - English - Vocabulary
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=68996&l=5795be8676&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69017&l=ceb338d776&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69018&l=a82de2194c&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69019&l=27116aced9&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69020&l=cc60a41bea&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69021&l=7a09b6e9ce&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69022&l=6aafa23683&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69023&l=42ccdc766b&id=100001133356751
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=69024&l=86294d8b98&id=100001133356751
Homer Language
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=66164&l=62b6e46d8b&id=100001133356751
For skeptics or uninformed people:
... for albanian language, origin, race, culture:
http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23767&id=100001133356751&l=5e6b160e5a
Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz - Albanolog, mathematicians, german philosopher
"If you want to discover the history from BC and the sciences of that time, you should study Albanian language"
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