Dating these clades accurately certainly appears to be difficult, but you jump from "unaccurate" to definitely rather quickly. You still don't reveal your source for these dates. I also don't know how you claim Finnish to have diverged 6000 years ago. Your argument is essentially: I1-L287 was in Finland before N1c. N1c arrived with Finnish speakers. I think Finnish is at least 6000 years old. Therefore I1-L287 is really old. You offer no supporting data or evidence of I1's presence in Finland prior to N1c or the age of the Finnish language. To my understanding, and granted I'm no linguist, the entire Finno-Ugric language family is dated to 4000 years. This hardly is consistent with an age of Finnish of 6000 years. Even IF it were, there's no reason to believe I1-L287 didn't migrate after a Uralic culture was established in the region.
Time and time again, you simply insist on your dates and that I1 or some clade of it "was already dominte" in a region. There is no evidence of this.
Your posts are so illogical and ill-formed so as to be the work of a t-r-o-l-l.
i do have evidence comb cermic culture which took p most of northeast europe including Finland 7,000-8,000ybp matches the map of Uralic N1c1 in europe even baltic people who have been speaking a Indo European Balto language for 5,000 years but before tha they where uralic here is a migration map on this website which they agree with me that comb cermic had n1c1
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/neolithic_europe_map.shtml also encyclopedia Wikipedia says proto Urali existed 7,000-10,000ybp
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/619069/Uralic-languages
also mtDDNA from northeast and northern europe from 7,000-8,000ybp had all Caucasian mtDNA U mainly specifically European U5 and U5b and they also had H but one fro 7,000ybp had specifically Siberian C1 which most experts belive is because uralics
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1003296 where starting to come to northeast Europe this means before teh Urlaic langaguge came European where the first in North east europe i really dont think that should suprise anyone since it was Europeans who lived in Finalnd before northeast asian Uralic with N1c1 invaded that means teh native Y DNa was Caucasin most likley in teh Y DNa I family since from what we know the only pre Neolithic European Y DNA haplogroups are I, C7, and F96 but I is by far the most popular and since Finnish have about 30-40% Y DNA I1a2c it would make alot of sense that is what the natives had before N1c1 came because I1a2c is the only pre Uralic, Pre Indo European, Pre middle eastern inter marraige from Greco roman age Y DNA in Finland so i think I1a2c is defintley what Finnish had over 8,000ybp also on this website their page for I1 said I1a2c in Finland would have come from swedan or norway but before teh bronze age aka before 6,000ybp
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml
or many reasons most of Swedan and Norway became Germanic speakers by 4,000-3,500ybp the germanic signature is Y DNA R1b S21 so if there was a major migration into Finland from Norway or swedan in the last 4,000 years u would find teh German language and Y DNA R1b S21 also since I1a2c is so popular in Finland the Uralic language was founded 7,000ybp in finland but lets say u are right N1c1 came before I1a2c then I1a2 came in another migration within the last 7,000 years well according to u teh urlaic language is like 4,000 years old so maybe even more recent neither wway cane be true first i showed u the only possible source for I1a2 in finalnd in the last 4,00 years is norway and swedan and they became germanic 4,000ybp so then modern finalnd would be germanic and have Y DNA R1b s21 which they dont and if it happened over 4,000ybp u still would not find the Uralic language in finland because of Uralic N1c1 is native itw ould have been conquered by I2a1c so the URalic language would have also been conquered that is what happens when a people group is conquered the old fashion way not eh way rome did the way vikings and the huns did they kill off everyone and rape the women the invading Y DNA kills off the native Y DNA and the invading culture language and religion takes away the native culture lanuage and religion and u dont find that in finalnd also if the Uralics are native to finland u are saying east asians are native to finland which we all know is absolutely crazy if Caucasian I1a2c conquered native N1c1 mongloids then teh mtdan in finland would be mongoloid not Caucasian it is so obvious the native to Finalnd hd Caucasin I1a2c and Caucasin mtDNA i have tons of evidence I1a2c has been in finland for over 8,000 years what u are saying is mongloid are native to Finland and same with n1c1 that is totally not true ancient DNA and everything else disagrees with u
it seems all u trust is dna age tests and u dont think it is possible to figure it out on ur own by connecting the dots by looking at history it does not matter if a spell badly i have better arguments and better information and u actulley have resources all u say is i have heard it is only 4,000 years old I1 is not a neloithic or brozne age haplogroup i dont care if people age it as 6,000 years old all other evidence points to it being very very very very very very very ancient mt estimte is at least 20,000 years old and from what i have sen on eupedia I1 page and wikpedia I1 is either 20,000-25,000 years old or 17,000 years old and i think there will be tons of new evidence that will show Y DNA I1a2 came with the first human migration into Scandinavia over 10,000ybp and i guess u wont believe me till we actulley have Y DNA fro people in swedan from 7,000ybp which we will have very very soon because of new projects they are doing like the rise there is no rarly evidence I1 in Scandinavia came from recent migrations like in bronze or Neolithic age because then where is the native Y DNA we know many humans lived in Scandinavia over 7,000ybp because we have some of their DNA we know they where Caucasian by their dna and skull shapes where is the native Caucasian Y DNA i think it is obvious that I1a2 is that group
