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No, it isn't.
Sometimes even their hands can't be seen.
Stop trying to excuse the inexcusable.
You're just reinforcing the ideas of those who are convinced Muslims have no business in Europe.
What are you going to try to justify next, female mutilation? Oh, excuse me, female circumcision.
This tradition started in patriarchal society farmers and herders. All rules were set by men, the king, the prophet, the tribe elders. All men and for the men. This is where sexism started.First of all I want to say I'm against burqas. However, I guess if I was from a differnt culture it would make more sense.
IMO, women wearing burqas isn't about sexism. Saying it is sexism is looking at it through 21st century eyes. It is the result of a legalistic mind not sexist.
Imagine this.
In short men decided what women should wear. If you can't see it is sexist then you should reread the definition of sexism.There's a legalistic society of humans. These Human men and women are differnt in several ways, including sexuality. The issue of lustful, pedetoral men and sluttish, whorish women becomes an issue. So, Mr. Legalistic king insists all women wear burqas to keep women from being sluts and men from being tempted. Of course sexism can be argued and is very likely. But what I'm seeing is more so a legalistic thing than sexist.
This tradition started in patriarchal society farmers and herders. All rules were set by men, the king, the prophet, the tribe elders. All men and for the men. This is where sexism started.
In short men decided what women should wear. If you can't see it is sexist then you should reread the definition of sexism.
This is the wrong understanding,the anti-Islam fabricated propaganda in the West,Muslims men do not treat their women as slaves or property,It's a matter of shared responsibility and duties between the two sexes,that man deals with,and is responsible of the application of a larger part of that responsibility,such responsibilities and duties coming of Islam,between the responsibility of women, respect their men and themselves when they leave their homes and pass in front of other men.
Hadith: (All of you are responsible for your subjects)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02SQZvTOOYg
8. Woman always needs to do what husband or father requested, or she will be beaten or punished.According to Islamic law, a husband may strike his wife for any one of the following four reasons:
- She does not attempt to make herself beautiful for him (ie. "let's herself go")
- She refuses to meet his sexual demands
- She leaves the house without his permission or for a "legitimate reason"
- She neglects her religious duties
Either you like it or not all described above is defined as sexism. Don't argue with me but go and change the definition if you don't agree.Like every other human society? Male leadership is the natural way for humans. So, therefore they were not a sexist society, unless you believe our DNA is sexist. I'm not a misogynist. I don't like a society were women are simply subservient or deemed stupid and incapable of leadership. Although I do go with what appears to be our instinct, which includes men usually taking the leadership position. Maybe old Islamic and or Arab society was overly male-lead and wrong, the way you describe it makes it seem it was.
Yes, at least if men would undergo same strict regulation like women do, at least it would be equal for all and sort of just. I still wouldn't like this strict controlled society, definitely not my type of thing, but I wouldn't call it sexist, discriminatory, nor hypocritical.But, mostly I agree with you it is sexist. It assumes women are all sluts and only women need to change to prevent adultery. And I agree it is wrong for men to decide what women do without much female's opinion.
In most Muslim cultures and specially the more religious ones:
1. Woman can't leave the house without male escort.
2. Woman can't inherit properties
3. Husband is arranged by others.
4. Woman needs to be covered from head to toes, in tradition clothing, often in burqa. Man on other hand can wear whatever he wants!
5. Her children belong to their father. In case of divorce man gets all the children when they are older than seven years.
6. Man can divorce woman easily, for woman it is almost impossible thing.
7. Man can beat his woman to force them to his will, but woman can't beat a man.
8. Woman always needs to do what husband or father requested, or she will be beaten or punished.
9. Honor killing of a woman is acceptable, but not honor killing of a man.
It is obvious that men is in control of his women, wife or daughter, he owns them. Very like owning a slave or protecting one's property.
Burka is exactly created to protect man's property. It is impossible to tell if under these heavy sacks, there are 5 young and gorgeous or 5 old and ugly woman. Why steal them and risk your life for this uncertainty? It was important way back when rich lord or vasir could take your wife or daughter at will to his harem.
Nope, we didn't criticized Muslim women, we criticized Muslim men for treating their women like slaves and objects.One thing we have to recognize guys, there are profound differences and misunderstanding between Islam and Christianity, so there are profound differences between the Muslim and Christian women, if Muslim men want to criticize Christian women,
Western world grew beyond religion to become free, inclusive, tolerant society. We stopped fighting and killing each other, and started cooperating for common good. Now we expect Muslims, generally speaking, to grow up and join the civilization. Stop killing each other, stop killing others, and stop treating your women like slaves.they have much to say (that It will be perceived as provocation), and the same for Christian men if they want to criticize Muslim women,each side defends his religion,and life goes on,no more to say.
Western world grew beyond religion to become free, inclusive, tolerant society. We stopped fighting and killing each other, and started cooperating for common good.ms.
We don't have state religion anymore, do we? Neither religion directs our politics, justice or economy. We have freedom of conscious, beliefs, religion or lack of beliefs. This is what I meant by growing beyond religion.Very sly move. "grew beyond religion", because in your mind religion=intolerance, stupidity, and violence. This is an oversimplification. Democracy or whatever is not atheism like you're trying to promote it as. Very bias interpretation.
That's right, the last war in Europe, in former Yugoslavia, was based in religious intolerance and violence against other ethnicities. In case of Serbs versus Bosnians religion makes ethnicity, otherwise they are exactly the same. You tell me how smart was this?religion=intolerance, stupidity, and violence
@Lebrok,
Religious freedom and tolerance is differnt from "moving beyond religion". Of course religion causes divide and fighting, because it is so controversial when faced with differnt religions and important to people. Hardly anyone disputes this. It's important, like a sports team, so people fight over it.
you mean like hooligans?
Boreas;475301]The last one seems Niqab
Sorry, not to be the one who clamp this comedy. Who many muslim in Europe wearing burqa and what this will solve, just a cheap populist action of right wings.
Are you one of those convinced people? By the way, my religion section is empty in my national ID, so go and find something else. But please don't use your imagination as you find different meanings in my words
I know what it is. It still leaves you incapable of seeing properly, and breathing properly, and engaging in work outside the home, and it's still a mode of dress based on the concept that men are beasts incapable of controlling their sexual urges, and that women aren't to be trusted to be faithful if out of their father's or husband's sight in normal clothing.
It's not a question of how many women currently wear it in Europe. It's a question of how many will ultimately be wearing it given the birthrate for Muslims in Europe, and how that would change European culture. Even more, it's a question of what it represents, a symbol, if you will, of the attitudes and customs that the vast majority of Europeans don't want imported into their country, just as they don't want honor killings committed in their country, or girl children being denied an education, or underage girls being married off.
It doesn't help when educated men of Muslim background like yourself attempt to minimize the problems or justify customs which are just unacceptable in Europe.
There has got to be an acknowledgment on the part of these new immigrants of the fact that if they don't adopt western European mores they are going to have a very difficult time of it, and they might be much better off going home.
Good questions and many of us struggled with them at some point in life. We can also ask a question if this cultural element of covering our genitals and many parts of our body have any bearing on health of our society and morality in general. In tropical zones all tribes walk around naked for thousands and thousands of years and still are. I don't think, being naked in public is a destructive thing. If it were, these tribes would have vanished long time ago by means of natural selection or will of angry God(s).I am wondering that will we evolve this conversation to up level? Can we skip cultural bias form East or West?
Let's think about 3 case
An open haired woman in Saudi Arabia
A woman who wears very short skirt in Turkey or conservative East European Country
A woman who walks topless around Champs-Élysées to support the right of walking topless as men
The point is how we gonna decide? Which one is absurd?
Yes, all Europe was like this. If we changed I'm sure Muslims can too.
No adult in Europe will see it as a normal thing, though no matter what parents effort, some of teens will get pregnant. I don't think you will propose an honor killing to fix this problem? When you look at statistics this is a very rare scenario unlike:Do you prefer 12 years old pregnent British girl who is left by his boyfriend
which is a very common thing. I see two problems here, firstly the marriage is arranged which goes in face of personal freedoms and choice, and at the age in which nobody should make serious choices. At 16 she should be at school for her good and the development of the society.or 16 years old marriaged Muslim girl who is pregnent?
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