greeks say celt lands start after montengro ??.........did i read this correctly!
Not exactly,
Greek ancient authors say that Celts enter and reach north Greece but Pelasgians pushed them back,
and the land that pealsgians regain is Illyria, half montenegro, above of most monte negro can be considered some Celtic Land at about 1600-2000 Bc,
in Fact they say which tribes and areas were pure celtic and which almost mixed,
in fact the give Celtos (Tribe father, the today slovenia) and sons and etc,
All names have a meaning, in mythology, so greeks say pure celtic the slovenia area and the more near that name the more Celtic while the more far as son means less celtic
by the later authors at makedonian times we find that Celts reached today Epirus and possibly some of them passed to Aetolia (scatter groups or small tribes)
that can make sence cause we are before myceneans and in south greece r1b is bigger than R1a while in central and north R1a is bigger than R1b
your mistake is that is another the Illyrians that strabo writes and another the Illyrians you mention,
Greeks make a clear difference
Illyrians = Pelasgian +celtic
Celtic = Celtic
Dardani = Illyro-Thracians
Thracians = Non Celtic probably
to understand read pliny about Illyria proprie dicti,
monte negro dalmatia was not considered Illyria
later the romans in order to rule thay change the names and create illyricum
and gave south Illyria to makedonia,
the celtic is more clear than the Illyria,
Illyricum was never 1 nation
wjile Illyria was a nation
pliny can help you realise,
Iapodes Liburni Carni are not Illyrians,
so the Pan-illyrism is wrong
it is like the bellow
ottomans enter Greeks, but ottomans are Greeks
that theory was created by Albanians Nationalists in 1912 and after so to explain why Austria help them that time,
in fact many linguists Albanologists from Austria came to push pan Illyrianism, but some deserted cause of luck of evidence and other rejected,
you can put illyrians to Celtic family as half Celtic as para celtic
But not Celtic as Illyrians,
I really wonder what you finally want to say ?
it is better to say clear what you think so to argue clear than give mistaken theories or believes
for example in the Strabo you say, Agrianes are Thracians not Illyrians
the panillyrian theory is simmilar to pan Albanian theory,
makes austrian greeks croats sloveni serbs bulgarian romanian thracians and south italy 1 nation
only in Pan Albanism serbs and bulgarian are not illrians,
just think the Iapodes the liburni and the carians as celts !!!!!!!!!!!!!
or the odrysee thracians as celts
or magna Grecia as Celts !!!!!!!!!!!
the one you do not see is that speaks about Geography of Illyricum and not about Illyrian nation
like someone describes S Africa and names tribes
All tribes are S african but not all tribes Zulu
All S africa are not Zulu
pliny gives clear differences. on what is Illyrians as nation and what is Illyricum as province
just compare the other case Cyclops and Galatea (Phoenician +gauls) (created by Greek epidamnians, exist in Apian writings)
with the apollodorus (Pelasgian +celtic)
even in first case we find Keltos are brother of Illyrus
means Illyrus is half-blooded Celtic
Galus is half blood Celtic
and Keltus is half blooded non Celtic (son of a cyclop-Phoenician sicily)
in both myths we find the same union the non IE east mediteraneo phoenician or Pelasgic (cadmus brother of Phoenix) with a woman name Galatea (celtic)
the woman in greek mythology is usually means the lost power, weak power
the steal of Europe etc
that means Illyrian was created when Galateans became weak and lost and ruled by phoenicians according the epidamnean myth
same conclusion we extract from Greek myth
Cadmus ruled over today half Fyrom and boarded kossufo,
Celts enter so Illyrus pushed back and create the illyrians who are a mix of non IE (pelasgians brothers of phoenicians) and IE Celts
the Illyrian items from lake constance is just ........
and you still did not give the source who arcahiologist said that.
Pliny in his Historia Naturalis gives a clear difference of Illyrians as nation and tribes and of other Illyricum Nations
all this before troy and myceneans
the estimation time is 1600-2000 and mostly 1800-2000 BC the later carnians etc are non Celtic pop
and stop pretending the stupid
I wrote it and explain in many posts
Stop hiding behind your finger
only in Albanian nationalists the theory that Celts are Illyrians exist
tell us clearly what you want to say, or this half or semi words swallow them
cause if you like irony I can use also
you said Bryges are asians while in the same chapter you use text from strabo CLEARLY NAMES BRIGANTES
In the ancient times, asia started in asia minor, so the Brygians where classifed asiatics
but the Bessi, who inhabit the greater part of the Haemus Mountain, are called brigands even by the brigands
chapter 12
search for Antoninus Placentius
Bessian language.
just wonder
Polish are slavic
or Slavic are Polish?
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