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European Union can function as loose union of soverign nations, with common trade market.
No orthodox country should be allowed in the EU, especially not Russia.
It is only one of phase towards fully integration.
Phases after common market are: Economic union, Economic and Monetary union, Fiscal union and Complete integration - Political union.
European Union is economic union (common market with a custom union).
Eurozone is economic union and monetary union (with euro as currency).
All EU countries will introduce euro and become Eurozone members (it is just a matter of time).
Fiscal union is integration of fiscal and budgetary policy of member states, it is next step.
Political union is federalist system, it is final step.
You think Greece, Bulgaria, and Romania should be out of EU?
And what it means orthodox country?
In Greece, Bulgaria and Romania which are members of European union, as in Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro which are in the process of joining the EU, and in Moldova, etc. (which will be in process in future time) religion is separated from state. They are secular states not religious states. In these countries there are Orthodox Christians, Protestant Christians, Catholic Christians, Muslims, Atheists, etc., everyone is free to chose religion which want or to be non believer. European Union is not based on religion, every European country can be part of EU.
European Union can function as loose union of soverign nations, with common trade market.
No orthodox country should be allowed in the EU, especially not Russia.
just a question,
protestants and muslims are allowed to EU?
pagans and animists should be allowed to EU?
Hindu Buddists and Sintoists ?
Islam is not welcome in Europe for sure.
Comparison of Protestants with Orthodox is impossible, since Protestant Churches are not politically tied to host country, neither influence them in any significant manner.
North-West Europe is mainly irreligious today. Problem with Orthdox countries is not religious, but rather culturo-political.
Federalism suits interest of countries like Germany and France, as it would speedy their economic and political domination in the Union.
No other country wants it, espacially not mass immigration and radicalism that is currently flourisning in heart of the EU.
Fiscal Union was already a mistake. Smaller countries that have kept their fiscal indipendence fared better than members of the Eurozone.
Eu should be nothing more than trade Union, as it was originally designed.
Greece is failure, money leeching country in constant state of near-bankrupcy.
Romania and Bulgaria are poorest members of the EU, their biggest countribution being export of Gypsy criminals trough out the West. Mind that EU does not benefit them either, as most of their educated population left the country. Orthodox countries are secular on paper only, it is one of main reasons of their poor socioeconomic development.
Russia is no exception, and already has Eurasian economic Union. They are anti European traditionally, and nobody wants them closer.
I don't see differennce in admitting Russia or Turkey, both should stay out.
European union today is economic union, three steps ahead free trade area, two steps ahead customs union, and step ahead common market.
Eurozone is economic and monetary union, step ahead economic union.
Yes there are proponents of divergent trends, but it is hard to happen, it is more likely that all EU members will become members of Eurozone (including Croatia).
Next steps are banking union (what is certain) and fiscal union (what requires some more time).
Final step is political union (federal system).
Greece has bigger GDP (PPP) per capita than Croatia.
IMF (2015) GDP (PPP) per capita, Int$
44. Greece, 26,449
57. Croatia, 21,581
And Romania is very close to Croatia.
59. Romania, 20,787
When were you in Romania? Some parts in Romania are more developed than in Croatia.
If we speak about debt, yes Greece has large debt, but Croatia has larger debt than Romania and Bulgaria.
Countries by external debt, $ per capita, IMF data
Greece 47,636
Croatia 13,519
Bulgaria 6,261
Romania 4,485
Greece, Romania and Bulgaria are not secular only in paper, thinking that these countries are not secular is nonsense.
And Greece is the cradle of democracy.
Yes, Russia has Eurasian union. Russia is completely different story, this country has much bigger territory in Asia than in Europe. Russia never demanded to be EU member, and it is surely Russia will not demand to be EU member.
Turkey and European Union have long relations and negotiations. Turkey application is from 1987. Negotiations started 2005. We will see if Turkey will become EU member. Someone should not have prejudices against Turkey. Every candidate for EU must fulfill standards and requirements, but slow process of Turkish accession to EU is due to non-fullfilment of requirements. From present-day perspective it is possible that Turkey is not ready for EU yet, but maybe it can be changed in future, who knows.
You're ignoring the fact that most people inside EU reject such ideas.
Greece is in worse shape than Croatia. EU member since 1981, compared to socialist background of other Eastern European countries. It's unlikely comparison, however, average Greek does not live better than Croatian.
Romania has lot poorer infrastructure than Croatia. Romanians come to work to Adriatic as cheap workforce. Lately they are making positive progress, but it's a long way to go.
Romania and Bulgaria are in the EU six years longer than Croatia, and they are still less developed. I didn't say Croatia is a sucessful country (especially considering last decade), either.
Orthodox Church has been traditionally anti-European (means Western)oriented, with close ties to Moscow.
Switzerland has lot more in common with ancient Greek democRacy than modern Greece.
Yes, Russia will never have particular interest in joining the EU for well known reasons, but it is the thread's main question, even though it's competely unrealistic.
Neo-Ottoman Turkey with open Islamist as their president, flooded with terorists and other problems, should have never become member of the EU.
I don't know if it will ... but it should. We have become saturated with 'culture' from the west. No, I don't mean the west - I mean from the far west, over seas. NATO is an evil entity. Europe must disengage from it and sever its influence. The situation in the Crimea is minor compared to what Europe has had to endure (and crimes we've been duped into committing) by following NATO. Should we look to the east for friendship and cooperation? I think so, probably yes. If I think of Europe and America and Russia as 3 separate plots upon the earth, and then consider the "us" and "them" aspect of modern-day, political/cultural juxtapositioning .... then I believe we are better off cooperating with this new Russian plan. Continuing to tag along with those other people have brought the world nothing but death and destruction.Russia has become a hot topic these days due to the events of Crimea. Although these are clearly sad events in our modern history as a continent, one has to account that Russia has played an important role in shaping Europe's history and it is considered a part of it, partially because of land, but also because of its civilization. Therefore I was wondering if Russia will ever become a member or EU in the (probably far) future.
What are your thoughts about that? Would you like Russia in or out?
European Union can function as loose union of soverign nations, with common trade market.
No orthodox country should be allowed in the EU, especially not Russia.
Maybe you should try to survive a week next to Turkey, in order to grasp the magnitude of the problem. If Greece falls, the next defense line shall be at the gates of Vienna...Federalism suits interest of countries like Germany and France, as it would speedy their economic and political domination in the Union.
No other country wants it, espacially not mass immigration and radicalism that is currently flourisning in heart of the EU.
Fiscal Union was already a mistake. Smaller countries that have kept their fiscal indipendence fared better than members of the Eurozone.
Eu should be nothing more than trade Union, as it was originally designed.
Greece is failure, money leeching country in constant state of near-bankrupcy.
Greece is already majority Atheist/Agnostic, in spite of being Orthodox on paper. Corruption correlates with geography, not religion.Romania and Bulgaria are poorest members of the EU, their biggest countribution being export of Gypsy criminals trough out the West. Mind that EU does not benefit them either, as most of their educated population left the country.
Orthodox countries are secular on paper only, it is one of main reasons of their poor socioeconomic development.
In fact Russia is neither "European" nor "anti-European.Russia is no exception, and already has Eurasian economic Union. They are anti European traditionally, and nobody wants them closer.
I don't see differennce in admitting Russia or Turkey, both should stay out.
Ooooooops.But the EU already has three Orthodox members, Greece, Romania and Bulgaria. ...
True.In fact Russia is neither "European" nor "anti-European.
Nope, the Patriarchate of Constantinople is independent of the Patriarchate of Moscow. The close ties between the Orthodox countries have more to do with the fact that nearly all of them have been at some point in history under Islamic rule, and they understand a few more things upon the issue...You're ignoring the fact that most people inside EU reject such ideas.
Greece is in worse shape than Croatia. EU member since 1981, compared to socialist background of other Eastern European countries. It's unlikely comparison, however, average Greek does not live better than Croatian.
Romania has lot poorer infrastructure than Croatia. Romanians come to work to Adriatic as cheap workforce. Lately they are making positive progress, but it's a long way to go.
Romania and Bulgaria are in the EU six years longer than Croatia, and they are still less developed. I didn't say Croatia is a sucessful country (especially considering last decade), either.
Orthodox Church has been traditionally anti-European (means Western)oriented, with close ties to Moscow.
Switzerland has lot more in common with ancient Greek democRacy than modern Greece.
Yes, Russia will never have particular interest in joining the EU for well known reasons, but it is the thread's main question, even though it's competely unrealistic.
Neo-Ottoman Turkey with open Islamist as their president, flooded with terorists and other problems, should have never become member of the EU.
Russia has become a hot topic these days due to the events of Crimea. Although these are clearly sad events in our modern history as a continent, one has to account that Russia has played an important role in shaping Europe's history and it is considered a part of it, partially because of land, but also because of its civilization. Therefore I was wondering if Russia will ever become a member or EU in the (probably far) future.
What are your thoughts about that? Would you like Russia in or out?
Prime example of Russian propagandist at work. Pay attention everyone, this is important message from president Putin.Spain will cooperate with Russia against misinformation, an area in which much of the interference detected in Western countries is attributed to Moscow. This is the main agreement reached on Tuesday by the Spanish Foreign Ministers, Josep Borrell, and Russian, Sergey Lavrov, during an official meeting held in Madrid. Borrell has transferred to Lavrov his "concern about spreading false news" regarding Catalonia and the Russian official has responded with an offer to create a joint forum to analyze the problem and try to stop it. Borrell has accepted.
The tension with Russia is appeased. "I am happy that you have launched this proposal to be able to analyze the problem, know what we are talking about and prevent it from being an element of friction," Borrell said in a joint press appearance. Aware that it may be paradoxical to agree with the representative of a country that is considered involved in these practices of manipulation, the minister said: "We have never said it was the Russian Government, but certain information came from Russian media. It's very sensible to speak professionally in this cybersecurity group. " Although Lavrov claims to have proposed similar arrangements for the whole of the European Union, for the moment cooperation will be bilateral between Madrid and Moscow.
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The mere visit of the Russian minister, one of the pillars of the Government of Vladimir Putin, is already representative of the thaw between the two countries. The last official trip of Lavrov took place in March of 2014, in full tension by the crisis of the Ukraine. Although Spain has always advocated maintaining good relations with its main eastern neighbor, the Russian invasion of the Crimean peninsula cut off almost all communication routes between Moscow and the EU, including Spanish ones. The allegations of Russian interference in favor of the Catalan independence speech - in the media and social networks - accentuated the unrest.
At the moment there are no details about when that working group will be constituted, even less about the most delicate element: who will integrate it. Strengthening ties with Russia in an area in which distrust of Moscow reigns is controversial for a country belonging to NATO. It is likely that the National Intelligence Center has something to say. Also the ambassador who appointed the previous PP Government last March to combat hybrid threats and promote cybersecurity, Julia Alicia Olmo and Romero. Beyond the domestic sphere, the Spanish essay can collide with the anti-propaganda exercise that Brussels has been leading since 2015 to combat false news originating in Russia.
Lavrov, who also met with the King, has denied the intrusions of his country, but at the same time has extended his hand to discuss the problem. "There is no evidence of Russian interference in Catalonia, Montenegro or Macedonia, I have talked about this with the Minister, interference in third-country affairs is inadmissible, we have to talk about these concerns not in front of the microphones, but presenting real events. "he has defended.
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