Tokis-Phoenix
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So do you see me as against animal rights activists? Just curious.strongvoicesforward said:Well, I don`t think it is a bad example and I will not embrace oppression in any of its ugly forms. Those against ARists want us to give up that but we won`t because when animals are shackled as a beast of burden or used to profit from, they are being oppressed as slaves were. They are being denied their freedom as slaves were. They are being forced to work for the profit of another as slaves were. Sorry, it will remain on the table unless you can explain why the slavery and oppression and tyranny and exploitation of humans is also good or acceptable.
Do you see yourself as living a life of opression because you have to work to earn money to live?
Slavery and opression as things that imply a seriosuly negative way of life.
You believe animals that are farmed live a life of slavery and opression.
Throughout this thread i have tried to explain to you that in cases of good farms, the animals are very happy.
You seem to entirely ignore this fact, somewhat implying they would be better off living in fear of predators their entire life, ridden with mites and fleas, constantly fearing starvation etc etc...
You dont seem to have ever had much real experience or contact with good free range organic farms- i was brought up on one so i would know.
I will give you an example of animals being happy in their farm enviroment.
One day in one of the cow feilds next to the woodland and other feilds, during the night in a storm, the old gate to the feild fell off its hinges.
The cows could have left the feild anytime they wanted, but when i discovered them the next day, they were just eating grass in the feild.
If the animals were unhappy with their life of "opression and misery", then surely they would have escaped- as you said, an animal moves away from discomfort, no?
What do you have to say about this true little farm story?
edit: Another situation i can tell you of is the chickens.
We kept chickens on the farm purely for their eggs and meat.
The only things the chickens were given was a roof over their heads, bedding and food & water- they had no pen that kept them together, they were allowed to go where ever they wanted.
We killed chickens chosen for their meat by ringing their necks, which kills them pretty much instantly, and when done the right way, is painless because of the way it severs the spinal cord. On quite a few occasions we ringed various chickens necks in front of the other chickens, so its entirely plausable they were aware we killed them from time to time.
They could have run away any time, the farm was sounded by miles upon miles of countryside. But they never left the farm. They always stayed in the garden, in the farm yard or close to the chicken sheds.
If they were unhappy with their lives of "opression", surely they would have just left the farm?
Even with the eggs, the hens always layed in the same place as long as you didn't take all the eggs out of the nests when you collected them.
As to the cows, the only times they actually broke out of their feilds was to go into my mums garden(which happened numerous times) to eat the apples and pears that had fallen off the trees in the summer and autum time, but we sorted that out by simply chucking all the excess fruit into their feilds and they never broke out after that- i think they just got bored of eating grass and hay all the time from time to time :relief: .
I think you are in denial, either that or you have had too many opinions shoved down your throat from people who dont really know what they are talking about/have never experienced the things they are damning. Since you seem to be a person of evidence, surely these incidences are proof that not all farm animals lead lives of opression and misery/slavery, as you put it?
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