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Thank you,Maciamo! I 1 split from I haplogroup about 20,000 y.a. in Scandinavia.Y-DNA I1 descended from a SINGLE ancestor who lived 10,000 y.a. I 1 are indigenous people of EUROPE, the direct descendants of Cro-Magnon.I read this on eupedia.com today.What if I am I1 (IGENEA test) M253+
P259- P15- P109- M72- M69-
M286- M227- M21- M201- L91- L42- L30- L22- L211- L141- L140- L14- L13- , Is this VIKING,GOTHS or GERMANIC?
Most Paleolithic European (Cro-Magnon) countries (I1 + I2)
- Croatia : about 51% of Y-DNA
- Sweden : about 44%
- Norway & Bulgaria : about 37%
- Denmark : about 36%
- Serbia : about 35%
- Iceland : about 33%
- Belarus & Finland : about 29%
- Netherlands & Hungary : about 25%
- Czech Republic : about 24%
- England, Germany & Romania : about 21%
- Belgium : about 20%
What about Bryan Sykes:
In his 2006 book Blood of the Isles (published in the United States and Canada as Saxons, Vikings and Celts: The Genetic Roots of Britain and Ireland), Sykes examines British genetic "clans". He presents evidence from mitochondrial DNA, inherited by both sexes from their mothers, and the Y chromosome, inherited by men from their fathers, for the following points:
Yes, notice that both books are from 2006. The realization that R1b did not originate in Iberia is since circa 2008, I believe.
I need a book and was about the buy Sykes' book from Amazon, but I checked here first. Is the consensus that it is out of date already? It's hard to keep up.
Let me put it this way: it may certainly be interesting to see how much of what he actually wrote there is actually still tenable today, but you're probably not going to learn anything from the book that you don't already know from hanging around here. I just realized that the post you quoted by me is actually two years old. A lot has changed in the meantime. For instance, before we actually had sufficient Neolithic samples, it was still viable to assume that for instance R1b was Neolithic. Some people even suggested (after Treilles and Derenburg) that Ötzi might have been R1b (yet he also turned out to be G2, which was the most likely thing to happen).
So people, what do you think about video I've made and uploaded to youtube? here it is:
As "non-european" HG's I've named HG's such as J1, Q, T & H... means all of HG's which are present in Europe just in last 1000 or 2000 years... so don't take this term "european and noneuropean" as somethin racist, I hope you understand
R1b and R1a are decisively not Mesolithic. The oldest find of R1a thus far is from the (Copper Age) Corded Ware Culture. We *still* don't know when R1b entered Europe, but the oldest find of R1b thus far is from the Urnfield Culture (ca. 1000 BC), so R1b is also either from the Copper or Bronze Age.
Not if Bosnia is included.Well, this means that Croatians are by genetic THE oldest Europeans
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