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For now Croatian genetics shows that most of its male population comes from White Croatia to Croatia..This means that file of Porphyrogenitus from 10th century which tells about arrival of Croats is true...
Croatian migration did not take place,
Prove with genetics...
Historians refute Porphyrogenetus because fairy tale about Serbs.. but it does not refute story about Croats...
Majority of Bulgarian I2a types are mutation (I-CTS10228) which is father of White Croatian I-S17250 mutation, part of them has and White Croatian mutation S17250,... this is a possible link with Bulgarians and Croatians or White Croatians in the early days of Bulgarian history...
No.
You can believe what you want, for you Porphyrogenetius' story is Holy Scripture, source for all and end-all.
However everyone can see what serious scientists write about Porphyrogenetius' story.
Australian scientist, Macquarie University. He is Croatian origin, Becoming Slav, Becoming Croats, by Daniel Dzino:
page 112
" The story of the arrival of the Croats and Serbs from 'White Croatia' and 'White Serbia' is nothing more than away to explain and rationalise the social and cultural change through a misinterpretation of the events from Late Antiquity. The narrative is no different from too obviously fictive story that Diocletian founded Diocleia, or that he instigated the Roman colonisation of Dalmatia, which was the origo gentis of the Dalmatian Romani. If Constantine indeed used the existing origo gentis of the Croats in chapter 30, we cannot see it is realistic, or even original, especially because an almost identical myth of the arrival of Bulgars was mentoined in Theopanes the Confessor, as well as the patriarch Nicephorus of Constantinople. "
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Dr Borri and Dr Dzino tell us that Porphyrogenetius' Croatian myth was derived of myth of the arrival of Bulgars, mentoined in Theophanes and Patriarch Nicephorus. Dr Borri speaks about common pool of the tradition mentioned by many authors in describing Barbarian migrations (often of Scythian groups).
Science is handled on the basis of facts and analysis. But science requires hard work.
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Of course always there is someone who doesn't want read what scientists write and listen what scientists speak.
There are still people who believe that earth is flat, they don't want see scientific facts, but it is their right to believe in fiction, who cares.
The narrative is no different from too obviously fictive story
for you Porphyrogenetius' story is Holy Scripture, source for all and end-all.
historians can say anything but genetics does not..
Prove with genetics for Croats, therefore genetics denies your claim and statement mentioned historians....For Serbs is a fictional story, and this is confirmed by genetics..
His work is very unfavorable for Croats because he places that Croats occur only after the ninth century
Dr Dzino Australian scientist by Croatian origin, unlike you, is wise, he does not want to be judged on the story of a Byzantine emperor Porphyrogenitus, which is unfavorable for Croats, he clearly says that it is a fiction.
You need to finish faculty of history, and master and doctorate, you should herald the scientific papers until you reach the level that publish work in a respectable journal,
Dalmatia derives from the name of the Dalmatae tribe, which is connected with the Illyrian word delme meaning sheep, Albanian dele.
But Serbs, Bosniacs and Croats are brothers by blood and we know it
Nations in the 19th century determinated by faith, Catholic Serbs became Croats, Orthodox Croats - Serbs, Serbs and Croats Muslim became Bosniacs, Bosnian Orthodox and Catholics – Serbs and Croats.
List of the Bosnian army before the battle of Mohács in 1526..
http://www.scribd.com/doc/132776360...anske-vojske-pred-bitku-na-Mohaču-1526-godine
Half of military were Croatians which exist in Bosnia, along the river Drina, Niksic (Montenegro), sandžak (southern Serbia)...Serbs on this list does not exist..
We have Croatian scientists who claim that Croats are from Iran, others claim that we are in the Balkans 20,000 years
No doubt Bosniaks, belong to the Croatian people
Congratulations.
What scientists know? They write something unintelligible. There are amateurs to enlighten them.
It is holy scripture.
Serbs say that Bosniacs are Serbs.
Tomorrow is new day, and Balkan bickering continue.
You vs Dr Borri, layman vs scientist.
Congratulations.
What scientists know? They write something unintelligible. There are amateurs to enlighten them.
It is holy scripture.
Serbs say that Bosniacs are Serbs.
Croats say that Bosniacs are Croats.
Bosniacs deny that they are Croats, and Bosniacs deny that they are Serbs, and what.
Tomorrow is new day, and Balkan bickering continue.
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By the way, story of Porphyrogenetius is unfavorable for Croats.
Dr Francesco Borri, who is now a postdoctoral studies, on basis of Porphyrogenetius argues that Croats as ethnic group emerged only in 9th century.
You vs Dr Borri, layman vs scientist.
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Dr Dzino, who is Croatian origin is smart, he knows that Porphyrogenetius story is not good for Croats and he claims that it is fiction, myth.
These historians who claim that Croats live in the Balkans 20,000 years have used 10 year old genetics research...today is completely different and genetics proves migration of Croats from White Croatia to Dalmatia ...
99.9% accurate, historical records may or may not be accurate but genetics is exact
Take Genetics and prove it
There is no need to be nervous, sir, genetics is here to help, as well as aspirin ..hahaha
Genetics alone against all, and we will see who would win
Childish (not offense).
Selection of Porphyrogenitus as a key starting point is wrong.
And Croatian historians don’t appreciate Porphyrogenitus.
About Croat-Serb border
For example, according to Porphyrogenitus:
From the river Zentina begins the country of Croatia and stretches along, on the side of the coast as far as the frontiers of Istria, that is, to the city of Albunum, and on the side of the mountain country it encroaches some way upon the province of Istria, and at Tzentina and Chlebena becomes neighbour to the country of Serbia.
According to Porphyrogenitus unambiguously situation is :
This means that Bosnia is Serbian county and it is in Serbia. And Pagania, Zachumia, Terebunia are Serbian lands too.
For example Porphyrogenitus says: “Pagani are descended from the unbaptized Serbs”.
But for Croats is much better what dr Dzino, historian of Croatian origin says that story of Porphyrogenetius is fiction, myth.
Porphyrogenetius is unfavourable for Croats.
Everyone can see, Croats as ethnic group emerged in ninth century, according dr Francesco Borri who argues it based on story of Porphyrogenitus.
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I will not think if you Croat, or Serb from Croatia etc.
Also, I will not be defender of Croats, or Serbs.
I only say that your choice of Porphyrogenitus is wrong, and whole your story based on Porphyrogenitus
Building tower in the air (about genetics), without foundation (Porphyrogenitus).
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As for the selection of Ken Nortvedt, one source is insufficient, you should a lot of sources. Although he is respectable, but what you put it was not published in a scientific paper.
It would be proper to seek scientific papers in relevant journals, for example the European Journal of Human Genetics, the American Journal of Physical Anthropology etc.
I very much doubt about white Croatia cause that is a myth,the name Croat-Hrvat is unexplained itself,note the name of Bulgarian ruler of Old Great Bulgaria that was in that area,Can you make your mind where it was then?Germany,Ukraine,Poland not located to this day more.Bulgarian theory, dates to the late 19th and early 20th century when John Bagnell Bury noted the similarity between Croatian legend of five brothers (and two sisters) with Bulgarian legend of Kubrat's five sons.He considered that the White Croats' Chrobatos and Bulgars' Kubrat were the same person from the Bulgars ethnic group,in modern times Walter Pohl,As such, Croatian name would not be an ethnonym, but a social designation for a group of elite warriors which ruled,among others.The Pereshchepina Treasure was discovered in 1912 by Ukrainian peasants in the vicinity of Poltava, in village Malo Pereshchepyne The ring was inscribed in Greek "Chouvr(á)tou patr(i)k(íou)", indicating the dignity of patrikios that he had achieved in the Roman world, In the Nominalia of the Bulgarian rulers Kubrat is mentioned as Kvrt,see Kubrat ring inscriptions HRTV,the nobility of early Croatia could be link with him?
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