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It appears that this study put the lie to Mr. Horologas' assertions.
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Greek history says that at the time of Fallmerayer there were 100 000 Turkish settlers in Peloponnese. 40 000 of them were killed . Would you deny that? Today's Peloponnese population is 1 000 000. At that time there were maybe 500 000 people living in Peloponnese. So 20% of population was ethnic Turks were not they? Did they live no genetic footprint after 300 years of common life with Greeks. No intermarriages happened.? How about arvanite villages that could have been over 60 of them? Vlahs! Known Slavic settlements! How could you believe this study?
Greek history says that at the time of Fallmerayer there were 100 000 Turkish settlers in Peloponnese. 40 000 of them were killed . Would you deny that? Today's Peloponnese population is 1 000 000. At that time there were maybe 500 000 people living in Peloponnese. So 20% of population was ethnic Turks were not they? Did they live no genetic footprint after 300 years of common life with Greeks. No intermarriages happened.? How about arvanite villages that could have been over 60 of them? Vlahs! Known Slavic settlements! How could you believe this study?
Angela said:Do you need another example? German descent and German speaking villages existed in the Balkans for hundreds of years, and no, there wasn't any appreciable level of intermarriage, and I know that from people from those villages.
Angela said:The Ashkenazim are another example.
Fallmerayer, really? There are people in 2017 who take his wishwash seriously? Already in 1834, four years after he published his ... (whatever), he was removed from his teacher job, because nobody wanted to get his children educated by this deadhead. Now people are still debating his poppy seed induced phantasms? Biedermeier "scholars" - eek!
Ethnicity: Greek with Pontic Greek ancestry (public kit): M171246
Another Prussian Jew (this one appears to have more of Gentile admixture than the one above):.
My understanding is that Mussolini closed the Greek language schools in Italy in the 1920s. I also read that even today, Griko has not been entirely eradicated.
It was also a way of advertising your "upper class" credentials, I think.
Italy is very liberal compared to countries like France, however, in "protecting" certain languages, and passing laws that encourage their survival, including Griko. I think it may be too late, however.
The author of this study is another Greek. He knows what point he has to make so he can manipulate the data to make his point. Surprise! After all those ethnic strives and mixtures, that history has recorded, Greeks have remained the same!Genes have not mixed!?? Had you known a bit history of King's Otto decree to force everyone in Greece to learn Greek would have also been surprised how those genes are the same like Greeks of middle ages!? Greeks invented Trojan Horse, whats for them to manipulate some data that nobody has checked their accuracy or has intention to check. It would be naive to believe that story!Totally irrelevant point. The genetics of these samples is dated to 1860.
People should read papers before commenting on them, or at least read the summaries provided by other posters. They should also engage whatever brains they possess.
"Subjects were included in the study if all four grandparents originated from the same village or from villages that were <10 kilometers apart. The ages of most participants ranged between 70 and 90 years (the oldest subject was 107 years old); hence their grandparents were born between 1860 and 1880."
The author of this study is another Greek. He knows what point he has to make so he can manipulate the data to make his point. Surprise! After all those ethnic strives and mixtures, that history has recorded, Greeks have remained the same!Genes have not mixed!?? Had you known a bit history of King's Otto decree to force everyone in Greece to learn Greek would have also been surprised how those genes are the same like Greeks of middle ages!? Greeks invented Trojan Horse, whats for them to manipulate some data that nobody has checked their accuracy or has intention to check. It would be naive to believe that story!
Yetos: about ΤΣΑΚΩΝΕΣ Tsakones
their dialect come from antique and is clearly Dorian,
in fact it is the only live remnant of Dorian dialect in Greece.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsakonian_language
I wasn't aware of that. Thanks, Yetos.
I do know, however, that there was a lot of settlement by Doric speakers in Magna Graecia. See here:
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