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I am new to this forum and wanted to start with some entertaining coincidences I noticed. I am no scientist, I just have a loose interest for genetics (as I have for football and cooking :O). So don't take this as an attempt to define something scientifically, but rather as observations of a non-expert.
I was noticing that the Phoenicians (with a likely high J2 concentration) and the Vikings (with a likely high I concentration) are probably the most skilled navigators of ancient history. The former sailing from modern Lebanon to modern Iberia and mediterranean France, creating a sea commerce empire and the latter sailing to North America before Columbus and also being the ancestors of the Normans, another very skilled navigation people.
Etruscans, Greeks, Romans and Venetians were also very skilled navigators, and they all probably had high levels of J2.
Now, the thing that I and J2 have in common is that they both stem from haplogroup IJ making them more similar to each other than any other european haplogroups. All the other european haplogroups have more distant relationships with the IJ group.
Is it possible that these navigation skills have something to do with them belonging to the haplogroup IJ and that the Indo-Eurasians were actually quite inept at navigation and learned these skills from the IJ (the Hellenics from the Minoans, the Italics from the Phoenicians/Etruscans/MagnaGreeks, the Germanics from the Palelolithic Northern Europeans)?
It also makes sense with the fact that the I and J, though in different times, most likely entered Europe from the Near East crossing routes that might have included long sea passages (Eastern Mediterranean, Black Sea) while the Indo-Eurasians, coming from the the steppes didn’t have so much to do with long sea distances. Indo-Eurasians look a lot like a earth people.
It also noticed two funny things:
1) John Lorimer Worden, of the U.S. Navy, commanding officer of the U.S.S. Monitor in the Battle of Hampton Roads, first historical confrontation between iron made ships, is thought to have belonged to haplogroup J2.
2) that in the late 1700/first 1800 there was somebody called Horatio Nelson Worden who was born in Canada and died in the US. Might the great british admiral, therefore another skill seafarer, Horatio Nelson have been related to John Lorimer Worden and have been J2 too?
I’d be curious to know the Haplogroup of Cristopher Columbus, Vasco De Gama and other great navigators.
If anybody has anything to add to the topic "connection between genetics and sea-faring skills", maybe something more scientific than amateurs' observations, feel free to add!
Cheerio!
I was noticing that the Phoenicians (with a likely high J2 concentration) and the Vikings (with a likely high I concentration) are probably the most skilled navigators of ancient history. The former sailing from modern Lebanon to modern Iberia and mediterranean France, creating a sea commerce empire and the latter sailing to North America before Columbus and also being the ancestors of the Normans, another very skilled navigation people.
Etruscans, Greeks, Romans and Venetians were also very skilled navigators, and they all probably had high levels of J2.
Now, the thing that I and J2 have in common is that they both stem from haplogroup IJ making them more similar to each other than any other european haplogroups. All the other european haplogroups have more distant relationships with the IJ group.
Is it possible that these navigation skills have something to do with them belonging to the haplogroup IJ and that the Indo-Eurasians were actually quite inept at navigation and learned these skills from the IJ (the Hellenics from the Minoans, the Italics from the Phoenicians/Etruscans/MagnaGreeks, the Germanics from the Palelolithic Northern Europeans)?
It also makes sense with the fact that the I and J, though in different times, most likely entered Europe from the Near East crossing routes that might have included long sea passages (Eastern Mediterranean, Black Sea) while the Indo-Eurasians, coming from the the steppes didn’t have so much to do with long sea distances. Indo-Eurasians look a lot like a earth people.
It also noticed two funny things:
1) John Lorimer Worden, of the U.S. Navy, commanding officer of the U.S.S. Monitor in the Battle of Hampton Roads, first historical confrontation between iron made ships, is thought to have belonged to haplogroup J2.
2) that in the late 1700/first 1800 there was somebody called Horatio Nelson Worden who was born in Canada and died in the US. Might the great british admiral, therefore another skill seafarer, Horatio Nelson have been related to John Lorimer Worden and have been J2 too?
I’d be curious to know the Haplogroup of Cristopher Columbus, Vasco De Gama and other great navigators.
If anybody has anything to add to the topic "connection between genetics and sea-faring skills", maybe something more scientific than amateurs' observations, feel free to add!
Cheerio!
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