Alan
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How do you mean Kurds under Assyrian forum?it seems to me that kurds is under assyrian forum.
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How do you mean Kurds under Assyrian forum?it seems to me that kurds is under assyrian forum.
kurds are writing in the assyrian forum when dealing with their ancient theories/genetics/culture etcHow do you mean Kurds under Assyrian forum?
kurds are writing in the assyrian forum when dealing with their ancient theories/genetics/culture etc
No they don't, most Kurds who tried to write about their origin were banned by the racist, pathetic, lying Admin and most of his racist and equally pathetic comrades (Birko19 was exception and to lesser extend Humanist). Especially if Kurds try o disprove the lies spread by them they get banned. So the "informations" provided on this Assyrian Forum are biased and not shared by Kurds. Some Kurds are active on the Forum of the Italian Admin "RacialReality".
I heard the Forum of this madman EliasAlucard was hacked again by a Palestinian whom he banned for whatever reason. Normally I am totally against hacking of websites but allot of people (not only Kurds) will tell you with a smile that he deserved it.
So if you want to learn something about Kurdish history or Genetics watch out for KurdishDna blog or RacialRealities website. EliasAlucards forums is the least place I would recommend you.
You have no chance to argue against Elias. When your arguments are to strong for him he usually gives you a QBQ ban ("Quality before Quantity"). His way to get rid of members whose arguments he feels annoyed about and couldn't find any real reason for banning.
You will never see EliasAlucard trying to argue with someone on a neutral platform because he knows 90% of the things he claims is dung.
ok
so , the data i gave you was from humanist...do these represent who if we are talking about assyrians. I ask because armenians have their own forum
The Russian historian and linguist Vladimir Minorsky suggested that the Medes, who widely inhabited the land where currently the Kurds form the majority, are likely to be the forefathers of the modern Kurds, also on the basis of historical and linguistic evidence that he gathered.
Gernot Windfuhr (professor of Iranian Studies) identified Kurdish dialects as Parthian, albeit with a Median substratum.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/IndoEuropeanTree.svg
the Data provided by Humanist about Assyrian dna must be correct I assume.
I was specifically talking about Kurdish history/origin/genes on which Elias forum is not a reliable source.
In my opinion Haplogroup T is generally and especially a lower Mesopotamian haplogroup which is where it shows also strong presence.
Medes in my opinion, just like Scythians or Parthians must have been strong in R (especially R1a with allot R1b and some R2a) and J2 and some G. Ancient Persians were very similar but most likely had additionally allot of T too which they got from the Elamites whom were one of the factors forming the Persian identity.
Elias Alucard claims Kurds are "acculturated" Assyrians, Armenians mixed with Persians and Turks lol, while if anyone is acculturated it is rather the Assyrians who appear like acculturated Armenians admixed with Levantines and Kurds. he himself is not even purely Assyrian but half Armenian. Also the language spoken by modern Assyrians does not descend from ancient Assyrians but seem like a Aramaic branch. Yet no Kurd would care if they claim Assyrian descend.
But than if Kurds, who have strong Iranian, native Mesopotamian and Caucasian genetic signature, speak a Northwest Iranian language, which is the same branch as Median and Parthian.
and who live on the very same territory as Medes, Parthians, Gutians and Hurrians/Urartains lived and the halaf culture fits perfectly in and than have allot of tribal names like Alans, Aryan, Saka (Scythes), Guti(Gutians) or Gorani/Gawri (Cimmerian in iranian languages) among them and even been called by Armenians "Medes" and because of that claim to have at least some Median heritage or connection to any other of the above listed people like Gutians, Parthian etc., EliasAlucard and comrades are one of the first to protest and call us "acculturated people with identity crises".
In regards to medes...........the Greek historians named everyone asiatic if they wore pants in the ancient times......even to say they where persians. even phrygians where "asiatic" in their eyes.
Medes live in modern NW Iran , basically azeri area, the parthians where much east and the bactrians further still.
The medes would surely also be mixed with the pontic cimmerians ( known to greeks as related to thracians )
As for modern times...my idea is to allow anyone who wants out of a nation and gain independence should be allowed without bloodshed....similar to split of czechoslovakia . I think its time for the UN to wake-up
I have a problem understanding the hesitance and lack of initiative of Iraq Kurds to form their own country after fall of Saddam, or even now. One would think that perfect time for independence is when dominant country is weakened.And now to the independence. As long as the UN does nothing because the countries involved are strong allies of world powers like NATO or the Russian axis. The Middle East will never change. I go that far and claim the borders drawn in this area are the main factor for the wars and dictatorial systems there.
to make the Middle East a more peaceful place at least a Kurdish, Druze, Baloch, Allawite and maybe Assyrian (if they would start to do something for it against the Iraqi central government), in the southern Niniveh plains were the make up a small majority, country must be established.
I have a problem understanding the hesitance and lack of initiative of Iraq Kurds to form their own country after fall of Saddam, or even now. One would think that perfect time for independence is when dominant country is weakened.
In my opinion Haplogroup T is generally and especially a lower Mesopotamian haplogroup which is where it shows also strong presence.
Medes in my opinion, just like Scythians or Parthians must have been strong in R (especially R1a with allot R1b and some R2a) and J2 and some G. Ancient Persians were very similar but most likely had additionally allot of T too which they got from the Elamites whom were one of the factors forming the Persian identity.
But than if Kurds, who have strong Iranian, native Mesopotamian and Caucasian genetic signature, speak a Northwest Iranian language, which is the same branch as Median and Parthian.
and who live on the very same territory as Medes, Parthians, Gutians and Hurrians/Urartains lived and the halaf culture fits perfectly the geography of Kurdistan and than have allot of tribal names like Alan, Aryan, Saka (Scythes), Guti(Gutians) or Gorani/Gawri (Cimmerian in iranian languages) among them and even been called by Armenians "Medes" and because of that claim to have at least some Median heritage or connection to any other of the above listed people like Gutians, Parthian etc., EliasAlucard and comrades are one of the first to protest and call us "acculturated people with identity crises".
Is it just me or is there a minor link between Circassians (Adyghe type people) and hg T? the Adyghe once heavily flooded Samsun in Turkey as migrants and Kabardians, modern day remnants of the Circassians have 15% hg T.
I agree that T-M184 is Mesopotamian, ........but T-M70 is from ( mutated) Uzbekistan area/zone. Somewhere are the mutation of M70 in the area stated they went westward and northward and then later southwards . The south anatolian, crete, chios, samos and other aegean islands have a lot of T-M70 and zero "pure" T-M184
thanks for inforamtion...I will check on the names you mentioned and also carians, lecians and other minor people in western anatolia
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