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Thank you for the welcome!
My mother's tree is "early Americans of mainly British origin that came through the Carolinas and Virginias." My father's is half the same as my mother, a quarter of "recent immigrant (Oslo, Cornwall, London), a quarter old New England Plymouth type families.
By looking at BritainsDNA projects and other calculators, we closely match English and Scottish people today. The mix of our (fewer) German immigrants still kept a balance in the proportion to match the West Euro component of modern English/Scottish.
Apparently "Utahn_White" is a control group of white Americans living in Utah for the 1,000 genomes project (most likely old Mormon groups who migrated out there and were composed mostly of old American British families). No wonder they are a match
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Trying to get to the bottom of the West Asian/Indian ancestry that keeps popping up.
| # | Primary Population (source) | Secondary Population (source) | Distance | |||||
| 1 | 92.1% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 7.9% | yemenese (behar) | @ | 1.37 | |
| 2 | 91.6% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 8.4% | iraqi-arab (harappa) | @ | 1.38 | |
| 3 | 91.9% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 8.1% | jordanian (behar) | @ | 1.44 | |
| 4 | 91.8% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 8.2% | syrian (behar) | @ | 1.46 | |
| 5 | 91.8% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 8.2% | palestinian (harappa) | @ | 1.49 | |
| 6 | 80.3% | orcadian (hgdp) | + | 19.7% | ashkenazi (harappa) | @ | 1.6 | |
| 7 | 91.7% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 8.3% | lebanese (behar) | @ | 1.62 | |
| 8 | 92% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 8% | egyptian (behar) | @ | 1.66 | |
| 9 | 92.1% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 7.9% | lebanese-muslim (haber) | @ | 1.74 | |
| 10 | 88.2% | orcadian (hgdp) | + | 11.8% | druze (hgdp) | @ | 1.74 | |
| 11 | 89.6% | british (1000genomes) | + | 10.4% | syrian (behar) | @ | 1.75 | |
| 12 | 91.8% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 8.2% | egypt (henn2012) | @ | 1.75 | |
| 13 | 81.6% | orcadian (hgdp) | + | 18.4% | ashkenazy-jew (behar) | @ | 1.77 | |
| 14 | 87.9% | utahn-white (hapmap) | + | 12.1% | morocco-jew (behar) | @ | 1.81 | |
| 15 | 92.7% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 7.3% | samaritian (behar) | @ | 1.85 | |
| 16 | 93.4% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 6.6% | yemen-jew (behar) | @ | 1.85 | |
| 17 | 92.6% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 7.4% | iraq-jew (behar) | @ | 1.87 | |
| 18 | 92.6% | utahn-white (1000genomes) | + | 7.4% | iraqi-mandaean (harappa) | @ | 1.88 | |
| 19 | 89.8% | british (1000genomes) | + | 10.2% | jordanian (behar) | @ | 1.88 | |
| 20 | 87.5% | orcadian (hgdp) | + | 12.5% | lebanese-christian (haber) | @ | 1.88 |
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You look typical NW European. Your SW-Asian is normal and comes from EEF first farmers whose ancestors came from Anatolia and Levant to Europe bringing it with them. 1% of South Indian is again normal for all Europeans. Paleolithic hunter gatherers had it, Iranian Neolithic had it, central asian/siberian people had it. Looks like a conglomeration of many sources leftovers.
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Do you plan on posting an update with the added albanian results? out of curiosity I want to see how much its shifted compared to just me and my father.
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Thanks for reminder. Got very busy recently.
Just finished.
| Europeans | # of samples | S-Indian | Baloch | Caucasian | NE-Euro | SE-Asian | Siberian | NE-Asian | Papuan | American | Beringian | Mediterranean | SW-Asian | San | E-African | Pygmy | W-African |
| Finland | 4 | 1 | 4 | 2 | 72 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 11 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Latvia | 5 | 1 | 7 | 7 | 65 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 19 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Lithuania | 5 | 1 | 8 | 7 | 62 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 20 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| russian | behar | 1 | 4 | 13 | 64 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 13 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| belorussian | behar | 1 | 5 | 10 | 64 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| ukranian | yunusbayev | 1 | 6 | 12 | 58 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 17 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Poland | LeBrok | 1 | 7 | 10 | 57 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 22 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| slovenian | 1 | 6 | 15 | 51 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 23 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
| hungarian | behar | 0 | 7 | 15 | 49 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 24 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Netherlands | Northerner | 0 | 9 | 6 | 55 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 29 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Italy, NE | 7 | 0 | 7 | 20 | 34 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 31 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Italy, NW | 5 | 0 | 6 | 20 | 33 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 34 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Italy, Tuscany | 4 | 0 | 7 | 25 | 28 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 32 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Italy, South | 5 | 0 | 8 | 32 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 27 | 13 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Sicily | 5 | 0 | 9 | 32 | 18 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 27 | 12 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Sardinia | 2 | 0 | 0 | 23 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 48 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Macedonia | selectivememri | 0 | 6 | 25 | 35 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 25 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Albania | 18 | 0 | 6 | 28 | 29 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 27 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Greek, mainland | 5 | 0 | 7 | 30 | 26 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 26 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Greek, Islands, East | 5 | 0 | 9 | 38 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 23 | 14 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Cyprus | 4 | 1 | 10 | 44 | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 20 | 17 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Ashkenazy | ? | 1 | 5 | 34 | 19 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 24 | 14 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 |
| Turkey | 4 | 1 | 15 | 44 | 11 | 0 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 11 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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When compared to average Albanian, you and your father are shifted a tiny bit towards Greece, and a tiny bit towards Sardinia (the first european farmer). Both could be due to the region of Albania you are coming from. Otherwise, you are in a range of general Albanian numbers.
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He's from north-eastern Albania and from a village near my mothers so I was expecting him to be more northern shifted like me and other Ghegs, but perhaps it's due to isolation of the Neolithic farmers, I would like to test my mothers side and see if they have a similar admix due to them being from a nearby village
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Ghegs plot near Tuscans and sometimes north Italians and Bulgarians. Tosks seem to plot more south near with Greeks and Sardinians
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Yes, when we compare you to to Dibran, he is shifted more to Sardinia than you, a tiny bit. However even you, when compared to other Albanians are shifted this way too.
| Albania | Population | S-Indian | Baloch | Caucasian | NE-Euro | SE-Asian | Siberian | NE-Asian | Papuan | American | Beringian | Mediterranean | SW-Asian | San | E-African | Pygmy | W-African |
| 1 | Dibran's father, Albania, Gheg | 0.00 | 4.61 | 30.35 | 26.52 | 0.05 | 0.41 | 0.00 | 0.10 | 0.00 | 0.24 | 29.62 | 8.05 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
| 2 | Dibran, Albania, Gheg | 0.00 | 6.43 | 29.80 | 24.86 | 0.00 | 0.36 | 0.00 | 0.29 | 0.44 | 0.45 | 29.29 | 7.82 | 0.27 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 |
| 3 | Trojet | 6.41 | 28.66 | 27.72 | 26.01 | 10.12 | |||||||||||
| 4 | A486577 | 6.09 | 29.84 | 27.60 | 26.47 | 8.79 | |||||||||||
| 5 | M145528 | 1.39 | 5.86 | 27.62 | 29.58 | 28.48 | 6.79 | ||||||||||
| 6 | M124104 | 6.83 | 26.39 | 28.04 | 1.31 | 27.10 | 9.59 | ||||||||||
| 7 | A906072 | 6.71 | 25.15 | 33.05 | 25.72 | 8.11 | |||||||||||
| 8 | M205340 | 8.25 | 27.55 | 28.00 | 26.32 | 8.28 | |||||||||||
| 9 | M549149, Montenegro | 8.05 | 24.34 | 32.54 | 24.41 | 9.18 | |||||||||||
| 10 | Kelmendasi, Gheg | 4.99 | 29.02 | 28.94 | 28.68 | 7.95 | |||||||||||
| 11 | A566427 | 4.68 | 26.37 | 32.88 | 28.44 | 7.14 | |||||||||||
| 12 | A229969 | 7.05 | 26.66 | 28.59 | 30.39 | 6.11 | |||||||||||
| 13 | M507707 | 6.11 | 29.53 | 27.90 | 26.73 | 8.65 | |||||||||||
| 14 | M499066 | 7.31 | 27.56 | 27.76 | 1.10 | 29.17 | 6.90 | ||||||||||
| 15 | M697668 | 7.03 | 31.85 | 30.35 | 23.99 | 5.96 | |||||||||||
| 16 | A871425 | 6.54 | 29.34 | 27.39 | 26.18 | 9.73 | |||||||||||
| 17 | A906637 | 6.32 | 30.69 | 25.17 | 27.84 | 8.85 | |||||||||||
| 18 | A889964 | 7.10 | 27.30 | 29.31 | 28.31 | 6.80 | |||||||||||
| Albania | 18 | 0 | 6 | 28 | 29 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 27 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
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Interesting. Maybe it's because my maternal side is from a really nearby village to his. My fathers side on the other hand should be the one that shifts me north
Interesting. Maybe it's because my maternal side is from a really nearby village to his. My fathers side on the other hand should be the one that shifts me north
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Interesting. I'm doing a fullgenomes test right now. Also after speaking to a Albanian from Mirdita(where we claim descent), the oral history says the Pershpalaj(assuming it was our paternal line and not a woman who married into our line) were descended from A Condottieri from the Apennines named Paul. He was supposedly hired by the King of Albania in the 1400s and brought to Albania to fight the Ottomans.
If this is true, could it explain the shift towards Sardinia and Greece? 550 years being more than enough time to autosomally become predominantly Albanian. It would explain my fathers and my atypical "Italian marker" in the K36. Perhaps it was more elevated in medieval Italy, and due to isolation in the Albanian Alps, retained the higher marker?
Just spit balling here. Could be completely wrong. It would explain our shift towards Tuscans, more than common for Albanian. Especially with 0 Italian ancestry on record.
We also form our own cluster next to Albanians(me and my father) on the PCA plot. LukaszM suggesting possible Proto-Albanian connection. I don't see how though(being R1a).
I am testing with full genomes right now. I'm sure it will bring this matter to light, once the Yelite is ready.
Interestingly(from speaking with Kelmendasi) there is a Tuscan R1a-Z93 individual in Italy. Perhaps we belong to this clade? As I do not score really any Slavic admixture. Other than perhaps Bulgarians. Which is still far off.
Perhaps Thracians or Scythians maybe sarmatians? Idk.
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It could be explained by your haplogroup maybe? Being linked to Phoenicians who settled in Greece and Sardinia. Especially being its uncommon among Albanians. Maybe that's why you shift with me and my father?
Maybe something about Okshtun peoples is a little different autosomally. Perhaps due to isolation.
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If you are Z93 which I think you are, then your paternal ancestor most likely was a Thracian or a Scythian but I would say Thracian.
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It's possible, but I doubt it as I don't seem to have much or any Levantine admix meaning that my paternal ancestor's admix got diluted quick when they settled in the Balkans. I think it's due to the region as my mothers side is from a nearby village
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People from Dibra e vogel perhaps are Ghegs that didn't get any further admix from their neighbors due to isolation
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