Fire Haired14
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I'm tired of the North European-centrism on several genetic-forums including this one. Posters aren't blatantly obvious about their sentiments, but there's a trend I've noticed. It seems posters attempt to dilute their Neolithic West Asian, Pre-IE European, etc. blood as much as possible, increase Mesolithic European and "Steppe" ancestry as much as possible, etc. And some posters even argue their ethnic group is paler pigmented than the stero-type. I'm fed up with it.
Facts are facts. Whoever people descend from is who they descend from. If you post on Genetic forum your goal should be figuring out the facts, not proving what you want to be true. Your ancestry doesn't define who you are at all. I think it's unhealthy to care a lot about origins if you think it defines yourself and others. It's okay to be proud of your origins, but at the same time not let it define you and be open to whatever the evidence shows.
I think the motivation for the North European-centrism on genetic-forums is what I just described. People want to be more "Hunter Gatherer" and "Steppe", because they like the ideas and characters we have surrounding those people, and they think it affects who they are. There isn't just North European-centrism, I've seen posters with other centrisms. I don't think most of the smarter Posters like Davidski, Maju, Dienkes and others have much of an agenda. I think they're looking mostly for the facts.
One last thing. Put yourself in the shoes of the Pre-Historic(sometimes Historic) peoples discussed on these forums. They didn't know much about anything outside of their own village and small region. The concepts of WHG, ANE, ENF, etc. were alien to them. For the most part they didn't care about their own ancestry, and just lived for the here and now. They weren't supremacist and raciest(Maybe against a neighboring tribe, who were usually close relatives). They didn't have the same ideas about pigmentation people do today(unless neighbors were totally differnt from each other, but the characteristics behind it were probably differnt from today). Even if they did and had the same concepts genetic concepts, it doesn't justify people today making the same mistakes.
Facts are facts. Whoever people descend from is who they descend from. If you post on Genetic forum your goal should be figuring out the facts, not proving what you want to be true. Your ancestry doesn't define who you are at all. I think it's unhealthy to care a lot about origins if you think it defines yourself and others. It's okay to be proud of your origins, but at the same time not let it define you and be open to whatever the evidence shows.
I think the motivation for the North European-centrism on genetic-forums is what I just described. People want to be more "Hunter Gatherer" and "Steppe", because they like the ideas and characters we have surrounding those people, and they think it affects who they are. There isn't just North European-centrism, I've seen posters with other centrisms. I don't think most of the smarter Posters like Davidski, Maju, Dienkes and others have much of an agenda. I think they're looking mostly for the facts.
One last thing. Put yourself in the shoes of the Pre-Historic(sometimes Historic) peoples discussed on these forums. They didn't know much about anything outside of their own village and small region. The concepts of WHG, ANE, ENF, etc. were alien to them. For the most part they didn't care about their own ancestry, and just lived for the here and now. They weren't supremacist and raciest(Maybe against a neighboring tribe, who were usually close relatives). They didn't have the same ideas about pigmentation people do today(unless neighbors were totally differnt from each other, but the characteristics behind it were probably differnt from today). Even if they did and had the same concepts genetic concepts, it doesn't justify people today making the same mistakes.