Never said that. Has to be someone else.
According to me the very early PIE that migrated into Yamnaya where it became late PIE, came from Maykop/Leyla Tepe
You suggested it
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Never said that. Has to be someone else.
According to me the very early PIE that migrated into Yamnaya where it became late PIE, came from Maykop/Leyla Tepe
No, maybe in your dreams.You suggested it
Great, I like those Scythians much more now. Because those Persians killed the Median King and took over the Empire from the Medes.Goga,
About the legacy of Scythians, I wrote already before here:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...one-Age-battle?p=476156&viewfull=1#post476156
Moreover, Scythians were the only people apart from Greeks who successfully resisted Persian invasions.
In 530 BC the Scythians under Queen Tomyris defeated the Persians, killing Persian king Cyrus II:
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...one-Age-battle?p=476268&viewfull=1#post476268
In fact that defeat against Scythians was the 1st major failure in history of the Persian Empire.
The 2nd major failure in Persian history was their invasion of Greece in 480 - 479 BC.
That battle between Scythians and Persians in 530 BC, is the oldest recorded use of cataphracts in battle:
What are you talking about? East Iranian languages are associated with the YAZ culture and Yaz Culture was just an Iron Age culture of BMAC
" The Yaz culture was an early Iron Age culture of Bactria and Margiana (ca. 1500-1100 BC).[1] It has been regarded as a likely archaeological reflection of early East Iranian culture as described in the Avesta. So far, no burials related to the culture have been found, and this was taken as evidence of the Zoroastrian practice of exposure or so-called sky burial. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaz_culture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Iranian_languages
I love you too. Not as (hu)man, but as Reptoid.
David Reich has sampled DNA from a Yamnaya man who belonged to Y DNA haplogroup R1a-Z93("R1a1a1d2a"). We already have a R1a-Z94 sample from Poltvaka, a successor culture of Yamnaya. This R1a-Z94 man had about 30% Middle Neolithic European(Neolithic Turkey, with minor WHG) ancestry unlike Yamnaya, and clearly represents a migration from west of the Volga.
We determined that 34 of the 69 newly analyzed individuals were male and used 2,258 Y chromosome SNPs targets included in the capture to obtain high resolution Y chromosome haplogroup calls (SI4). Outside Russia, and before the Late Neolithic period, only a single R1b individual was found (early Neolithic Spain) in the combined literature (n=70). By contrast, haplogroups R1a and R1b were found in 60% of Late Neolithic/Bronze Age Europeans outside Russia (n=10), and in 100% of the samples from European Russia from all periods (7,500-2,700 BCE; n=9). R1a and R1b are the most common haplogroups in many European populations today18,19, and our results suggest that they spread into Europe from the East after 3,000 BCE. Two hunter-gatherers from Russia included in our study belonged to R1a (Karelia) and R1b (Samara), the earliest documented ancient samples of either haplogroup discovered to date. These two hunter-gatherers did not belong to the derived lineages M417 within R1a and M269 within R1b that are predominant in Europeans today18,19, but all 7 Yamnaya males did belong to the M269 subclade18 of haplogroup R1b.
The original paper does not deny the existence of R1a in Yamnaya samples and it only says that all 7 Yamnaya males belonged to Haplogroup R1b.According to the Anatolian hypothesis, the R1b people originated in eastern Anatolia as nomadic cattle herders and some migrated northwards to the Pontic Steppe, where they interbred with R1a women. Since the region where the Yamnaya culture flourished is the R1a heartland today, R1a people and R1b people could have coexisted and interacted with each other inthe Pontic Steppe. I assume that most Yamnaya female samples belonged to R1a based on this scenario even though it's not explicitly stated in the paper.
LMAO, this is great fun!Yaz= Andronovized remnants of BMAC.
This is archaeological consensus. Explain it however you like. The genetics are now supporting this.
Since the region where the Yamnaya culture flourished is the R1a heartland today, R1a people and R1b people could have coexisted and interacted with each other in
Scythians as people were very MIXED. They had Europoid, Caucasoid, Central Asian and even EAST Asiatic (Turkic/Mongoloid) DNA. Scythians were very diverse people, but the LANGUAGE they spoke came from BMAC. FACT!
Scythians were like Brazilians, a mixture of many races.
But the LANGUAGE the Scythians (Saka) Spoke was EAST Iranic. East Iranic language evolved around and is from BMAC. Has nothing to do with Sintashta. That's a FACT.
BMAC is on the Iranian Plateau.
Can you prove me wrong that EAST Iranic language is from BMAC?
Languages do define people. The language Kurds speak define them, because it's an UNIQUE language spoken by NOBODY else but the Kurds. No other race on this planet speaks Kurdish, than Kurds themselves. Kurdish language (WEST Iranic) is part of Kurdish history and Kurdish race.
What are you talking about? East Iranian languages are associated with the YAZ culture and Yaz Culture was just an Iron Age culture of BMAC
" The Yaz culture was an early Iron Age culture of Bactria and Margiana (ca. 1500-1100 BC).[1] It has been regarded as a likely archaeological reflection of early East Iranian culture as described in the Avesta. So far, no burials related to the culture have been found, and this was taken as evidence of the Zoroastrian practice of exposure or so-called sky burial. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaz_culture
I love you too. Not as (hu)man, but as Reptoid.
Is R1a1a1d2a really under Z93 ???
On Anthrogenica someone user Parasar wrote:
Yaz Culture was BMAC too. It was almost identical to the older BMAC generations.BMAC was 4.1 ka
Scythians are not older than 2.9 ka
A 1200 year gap
Everything useful about Yaz Culture was written in Avestan language (proto-Iranic) in Zoroastrian Gathas.nothing is known about Yaz culture, only this tiny article in wikipedia
what about the dating, from which period was this man ?
Interesting. So this guy is from pre Yamnaya, Khalynsk Culture? Or is it Early Yamnaya already?He lived before year 3000 BC. Which means that YFull age estimate for Z94 is probably too young.
Interesting. So this guy is from pre Yamnaya, Khalynsk Culture? Or is it Early Yamnaya already?
I think we are going to see a picture like this for early IE family:
North East Yamnaya - R1a Z93
South East - R1b Z2103
North West - R1a 283
South West - R1b L51
I have a feeling they came from farther south.He is Yamnaya not pre-Yamnaya. All of the Samara Yamnaya guys had R1b-Z2103
Possibly, or by Poltavka times EEF farmers reached already far North and East mixing with locals.The individual who had R1a-Z93 was differnt from other Poltvaka guys who had R1b-Z2103. He was about 30% Middle Neolithic European(Neolithic Turkey, with minor WHG).
It is a hard sell. By early Yamnaya times Z283 and Z93 needed to be separated already. Why do you think Z93 was so far West in Central Europe? It could have been all the time in the area or farther north or east, in smaller hunter gatherer groups, it just started expansion by Yamnaya together with getting some farmer EEF, domestication of horses, and expanded to the east.My guess is the same will be true for this R1a-Z93 Yamnaya guy. He probably isn't actually a Yamnaya person, but instead from close relatives who lived much further west and admixed with EEFs.
That's the origin story of Andronovo. Ultimately they came from somewhere between Germany and Russia, then they migrated east into Russia around 3000 BC or earlier, and made it to Siberia by 2000 BC. Corded Ware was basically their brother who stayed in Europe. At least, they shared R1a, besides they might not have many connections.
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