Shulaveri Shomu keep on giving - Neolithic water management and flooding in the Less

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My shulaveri keep on giving.
Now they seemed to have been the master of irrigation. they push back the first irrigation architecture well over 500 years. As they had push the invention of wine over 1000 years to previous Hajji firuz.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277379117309848
Neolithic water management and flooding in the Lesser Caucasus (Georgia)


Abstract

River management is generally thought to have started at 5500 cal. BC within the development of eastern Neolithic societies. In the Lesser Caucasus, evidence of early river management has been discovered around the famous Neolithic sites of Shulaveri, Gadachrili Gora, and Imiris Gora in Georgia. Here we report a preliminary data set indicating that river management was set up at 5900 cal. BC leading to the flooding, destruction, and local abandonment of the hydraulic infrastructures of the Gadachrili village between 5750 and 5430 cal. BC. The hydraulic infrastructures were developed during a more humid period encompassing the 8200 cal. BP (6200 cal. BC) climatic event, probably to optimize agricultural yield. It potentially led to the first prehistoric engineering accident for which there is evidence, which may have been followed by the reorganisation of the occupation and/or to architectural modification
 
It is a bit strange that such an advanced farming society, with such pioneering techniques and crops, would have given birth to a language family mainly spread by not so advanced (initially) farmers and especially by pastoralists, without leaving much trace of other sister - para-Indo-European - language families among any advanced farming society of the Middle East or elsewhere...
 
Ygorcs said:
It is a bit strange that such an advanced farming society, with such pioneering techniques and crops, would have given birth to a language family mainly spread by not so advanced (initially) farmers and especially by pastoralists, without leaving much trace of other sister - para-Indo-European - language families among any advanced farming society of the Middle East or elsewhere...
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I think we need to put back in order Olympus hypothesis. He's original idea is that R1b-M269 originate in Shulaveri-Shomu before going in the Pontic Steppe founding PIE. Not that a random master race of agriculturists founded Shulaveri Shomu, this is obsession.
 
Ygorcs said:
It is a bit strange that such an advanced farming society, with such pioneering techniques and crops, would have given birth to a language family mainly spread by not so advanced (initially) farmers and especially by pastoralists, without leaving much trace of other sister - para-Indo-European - language families among any advanced farming society of the Middle East or elsewhere...
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You need to overcome your propensity to come up with doubts and negatives and instead first try to solve those.... then make a proposition. That means that people can discuss that.

Its imensly less strange than after the collapse of the bronze age by 1177bc people of such advanced civilizations forgot out to write and pottery regressed 1000 years, ....this was, for example, one contra-argument your brain should have immediately come up with....
 
halfalp said:
I think we need to put back in order Olympus hypothesis. He's original idea is that R1b-M269 originate in Shulaveri-Shomu before going in the Pontic Steppe founding PIE. Not that a random master race of agriculturists founded Shulaveri Shomu, this is obsession.
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What the freak are you talking about?
 
Olympus Mons said:
You need to overcome your propensity to come up with doubts and negatives and instead first try to solve those.... then make a proposition. That means that people can discuss that.

Its imensly less strange than after the collapse of the bronze age by 1177bc people of such advanced civilizations forgot out to write and pottery regressed 1000 years, ....this was, for example, one contra-argument your brain should have immediately come up with....
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See how you immediately make a correlation with advanced culture and writing and civilizations. You are yourself stuck in very old assumptions about Advanced Civilizations, you cannot dream about a some smelly pastoralists giving birth to an entire continent. I can.
 
halfalp said:
See how you immediately make a correlation with advanced culture and writing and civilizations. You are yourself stuck in very old assumptions about Advanced Civilizations, you cannot dream about a some smelly pastoralists giving birth to an entire continent. I can.
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What in heavens name are you talking about?
 
halfalp said:
So do you use a socket puppet to like your own comments and dislike mines?
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What in the name of God are you mumbling about?! Didn't even know there was a like button!
Forget it.
 
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