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It's almost all R1b-L21+, with a few occasional U152 or M167.
It's almost all R1b-L21+, with a few occasional U152 or M167.
Maciamo, a question there: when do you think did L21 arrive in Britain?
With the arrival of the Bronze Age in Britain, between 4500 and 4000 years ago.
Although the original post was made by Brennus on 4-25-10, and because there is a more current posted today by Taranis, here is a link per Family Tree DNA that might be useful to all R1b's etc.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b1b2/default.aspx
If this url does not come up: Yahoo search ftdna welsh R1b1b2 haplogroup project and go to: Family Tree SNA r1b1b2 asteric.
There is a "pie" with percentages for Wales, and other countries ( including Turkery and Syria.
Melusine
With the arrival of the Bronze Age in Britain, between 4500 and 4000 years ago.
Is it possible that there were later migrations of R1b-L21 during the Late Bronze age to the early Iron age?
Brennus
Well, primarily there is t by Myres et al.
Third, it should be mentioned that the oldest 'ancient' find of R1b thus far is from the Lichtenstein Cave in northern Germany, which belongs into the (Proto-Celtic?) Urnfield Culture.
So it's possible that R1b entered britian during the late Bronze age.
Has anyone completed a Y-DNA test on Beaker remains in the Uk,e.g the Amesbury archer?
Brennus
Is it possible that there were later migrations of R1b-L21 during the Late Bronze age to the early Iron age?
Brennus
So, basically with the Beaker-Bell Culture (which arrived in Britain circa 2000 BC)?
The Bronze Age would indeed have been introduced to Britain during the Bell-Beaker period. However it is entirely possible that a wider scale migration took place from the contemporary Central European Unetice culture or its successors. It's a troublesome period because the Bell-Beaker and Unetice cultures juxtapose each others. The extend of the Bell-Beaker culture does match later Celtic-speaking areas, but archaeologically they do not seem to be Celtic or even truly Indo-European. I think it represents the transition period during the Indo-European/Celtic invasion of Western Europe, but it still isn't clear how fast this happened and what exactly happened (peaceful conquest or widespread massacres ?).
The Bronze Age would indeed have been introduced to Britain during the Bell-Beaker period. However it is entirely possible that a wider scale migration took place from the contemporary Central European Unetice culture or its successors. It's a troublesome period because the Bell-Beaker and Unetice cultures juxtapose each others. The extend of the Bell-Beaker culture does match later Celtic-speaking areas, but archaeologically they do not seem to be Celtic or even truly Indo-European. I think it represents the transition period during the Indo-European/Celtic invasion of Western Europe, but it still isn't clear how fast this happened and what exactly happened (peaceful conquest or widespread massacres ?).
there indeed were areas in which Bell Beakers settled that did not see any clearly defined IE settlements later.
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